2025 College Football Playoffs

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I'm still trying to understand what I missed with Alabama's lack luster wins over the past 2 weeks compared to ND's dominating wins over the same timeframe that would create a LEGITIMATE reasoning for Bama (the sacred cow) to leap the Irish?!? It's fuckin' rigged and complete bullshit. The Irish fate lies within the performance of TT ... Red Raiders win, the Irish are in. If not, fuck the playoffs.
 

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I'm still trying to understand what I missed with Alabama's lack luster wins over the past 2 weeks compared to ND's dominating wins over the same timeframe that would create a LEGITIMATE reasoning for Bama (the sacred cow) to leap the Irish?!? It's fuckin' rigged and complete bullshit. The Irish fate lies within the performance of TT ... Red Raiders win, the Irish are in. If not, fuck the playoffs.

SEC that’s all you need to know.
 

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I'm still trying to understand what I missed with Alabama's lack luster wins over the past 2 weeks compared to ND's dominating wins over the same timeframe that would create a LEGITIMATE reasoning for Bama (the sacred cow) to leap the Irish?!? It's fuckin' rigged and complete bullshit. The Irish fate lies within the performance of TT ... Red Raiders win, the Irish are in. If not, fuck the playoffs.
There's no legitimate reason other than Bama was the last team off the list last season and they're trying their damndest to make sure that doesn't happen two years in a row. I hope Georgia curbstomps them so hard that even Bama fans would be embarassed to make the field.
 

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I didn't realize that the CFP chair (who was super impressed that Alabama needed a late 4th and whatever conversion to beat 5-7 Auburn) is the Arkansas AD. Is that correct? And don't conference members making/advancing in the playoffs financially benefit all the other members via the payouts?

Ivan Maisel is also on the committee. He wrote a book about Frank Leahy recently and is apparently recused from discussing ND. Okay....I don't think Maisel's book about Frank Leahy is going to sell a ton more copies just because ND makes the playoffs. But if Maisel had a deal where he would get paid millions of dollars if ND made the playoffs, that recusal might make more sense. Are ADs allowed to discuss other conference members? I assume so but I don't know the rules.
 

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They moved Bama over ND simply so that if Bama loses they can drop them a spot without dropping them out. That simple.
This is why we need a computer ranking. A computer wouldn't play games like this. Obviously the formula would be the subject of debate, as the BCS formula was. But it is preferable to this circus, where we don't know what actually matters, rankings randomly change for no reason, there are silly post-hoc justifications, and SEC schools are over-ranked. Etc.
 

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This is why we need a computer ranking. A computer wouldn't play games like this. Obviously the formula would be the subject of debate, as the BCS formula was. But it is preferable to this circus, where we don't know what actually matters, rankings randomly change for no reason, there are silly post-hoc justifications, and SEC schools are over-ranked. Etc.
Honestly I think the auto-bids are a bigger problem than the subjective rankings.

Notre Dame AND Miami AND BYU AND Alabama are among the 12 best teams in the country. James Madison and Duke are not.
 

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Someone else made a good point though - if losing that game drops BYU, would losing to UGA also drop Bama? Especially if the debate between our two teams was "as intense as any the committee has faced"?
If Bama loses and the committee really want s to look like a bunch of fools they will have a three loss team in the playoffs. There's no justification for a three loss team.
 

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If Bama loses and the committee really want s to look like a bunch of fools they will have a three loss team in the playoffs. There's no justification for a three loss team.
Yeah, but it's about protecting the SEC. Clay Travis said the SEC "wouldn't allow" Bama to be left out because they lost the CCG. I didn't realize the SEC made these decisions? Well, based on the new rankings, they appear to do.
 

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The SEC had 10 teams ranked in the preseason poll. That is 10 out of 16 teams in conference RANKED at the beginning of the year. All these ranked wins the SEC claim are a byproduct of overleveraged preseason polls. Beating Tennessee or Missouri is only different than beating Iowa or Washington due to perception created by data input harvested from unfounded sources.
 

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The SEC had 10 teams ranked in the preseason poll. That is 10 out of 16 teams in conference RANKED at the beginning of the year. All these ranked wins the SEC claim are a byproduct of overleveraged preseason polls. Beating Tennessee or Missouri is only different than beating Iowa or Washington due to perception created by data input harvested from unfounded sources.
+ Don’t rank anyone until week four.
+ Go back to the “BCS” to rank the playoffs. Include a human element, but only allow them to deviate from the computers to a certain degree to account for “eye test.”
+ Initial CFP release at Week 10. Then week 12. Then after “CCGS.”
 

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The SEC had 10 teams ranked in the preseason poll. That is 10 out of 16 teams in conference RANKED at the beginning of the year. All these ranked wins the SEC claim are a byproduct of overleveraged preseason polls. Beating Tennessee or Missouri is only different than beating Iowa or Washington due to perception created by data input harvested from unfounded sources.
In fairness, the advanced stats often have SEC teams with bad records more highly ranked than other teams. For example, Sagarin has Auburn at 26 despite being 5-7, which is ahead of Pitt at 30, for example. But neither ND nor Miami moved up after beating Pitt decisively.

And of course ND is #2 in Sagarin, whereas Bama is 7 and OU is 13. Imo, the advanced stats outweigh any SEC team's advantage in "ranked wins." And then the eye test (did people see OU/LSU?) should tip the scale in favor of ND. Or Miami.
 

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In fairness, the advanced stats often have SEC teams with bad records more highly ranked than other teams. For example, Sagarin has Auburn at 26 despite being 5-7, which is ahead of Pitt at 30, for example. But neither ND nor Miami moved up after beating Pitt decisively.

And of course ND is #2 in Sagarin, whereas Bama is 7 and OU is 13. Imo, the advanced stats outweigh any SEC team's advantage in "ranked wins." And then the eye test (did people see OU/LSU?) should tip the scale in favor of ND. Or Miami.
Good point, advanced stats are basically being ignored by the committe right now, at least when discussing Oklahoma, Bama, and ND.
 

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They don't look at those rankings in the 1st place and never have.

There is no eye test.

They use their formula, always have.
 

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The ACC is a big part in this. There’s little controversy right now if they didn’t let Virginia play an “out of conference” game against NC State, and if they didn’t have totally antiquated tie breakers.

Burn that stupid conference to the ground
We need to join the ACC for FB. That way when we roll through the pathetic conference we're guaranteed a spot in the playoffs.

Man, I hate having our fate being determined by TT beating those Mormons. Upsets do happen.
 

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I think it's easy to argue that OU shouldn't be in because their offense is objectively bad. Only one game where they scored 26+ against a P4 (Tennessee). 3 of their wins are against Temple, Kent State, and Illinois State. They were beaten soundly by Texas and were beaten by Ole Miss. They rely solely on beating Alabama by 2 where they had a post game win expectancy of 5% and had half the yardage of Alabama.

Thing is, they would still push another SEC team if Oklahoma or Alabama wasn't in it. The SEC is extremely broken (likely intentionally) because so long as they play a pathetic OOC schedule, only play 8 conference games, and rank a majority of the teams to start the season, you'll have almost 6+ "playoff contenders" at the end of any given season.

Like honestly the fact that the top teams in the SEC, Bama and Texas, lost their season openers to OOC opponents in much worse fashion than ND should be hurting the conference as a whole. Instead they pick up a couple more in conference losses and stay in the race, WTF.
 

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In fairness, the advanced stats often have SEC teams with bad records more highly ranked than other teams. For example, Sagarin has Auburn at 26 despite being 5-7, which is ahead of Pitt at 30, for example. But neither ND nor Miami moved up after beating Pitt decisively.

And of course ND is #2 in Sagarin, whereas Bama is 7 and OU is 13. Imo, the advanced stats outweigh any SEC team's advantage in "ranked wins." And then the eye test (did people see OU/LSU?) should tip the scale in favor of ND. Or Miami.
Penn State might be the best 6-6 team of all time.
 

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+ Don’t rank anyone until week four.
+ Go back to the “BCS” to rank the playoffs. Include a human element, but only allow them to deviate from the computers to a certain degree to account for “eye test.”
+ Initial CFP release at Week 10. Then week 12. Then after “CCGS.”
+ Ban FCS scheduling, or let them play the games but exclude them from the models. Miami should not get to count a win over Bethune-Cookman and then claim they have the same record as us.
 

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+ Ban FCS scheduling, or let them play the games but exclude them from the models. Miami should not get to count a win over Bethune-Cookman and then claim they have the same record as us.


That's already accounted for in the Quality Wins and Strength of Schedule components. It literally doesn't matter more than that.
 

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That's already accounted for in the Quality Wins and Strength of Schedule components. It literally doesn't matter more than that.
Right, I'm saying it SHOULDN'T count in Strength of Schedule. Beating 6-win Bethune-Cookman is not the same thing as beat 6-win Penn State, yet when SOS is reduced to opponents' winning percentage, they're identical.
 

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That's already accounted for in the Quality Wins and Strength of Schedule components. It literally doesn't matter more than that.
I think he means less about metrics and more about actual FBS wins. Haters love to point out the “unfairness” of ND not playing a CCG but most, if not all; those teams play at least one FCS opponent so if they play in their CCG they still play 12 FBS opponents. They should get zero credit for having an extra bye disguised as a football game.
 
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