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NY times on the indictment:


Also this:


So confirmed from his texts to his trans lover and the other information in the indictment that he killed Kirk for "spreading hate".
 
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Utah County laid out charges.

Unless the texts were carefully planned/curated in advance, boyfriend didnt know. Shooter admit to doing it and had planned for about a week.

We will see if that is accurate or not. Hopefully they get the case built up enough so mom and dad don't need to testify.
 
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slow down, vortex. either you are twisting words to deflect (likely), you are truly lost on my points, or both. stop extrapolating. stop reaching. stop spinning.

maybe you are innocently conflating my personal opinions with how I think others should behave? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. If you ask me for my personal opinion on how I approach things, I answer for myself. And then I provide examples of how others would answer for themselves.

go back and re-read the thread.

Let me help:
you: "Yes or no - is it a reasonable position to defend your actions because of a religious text."
me: "Depends on the religious text, clearly. Outside of the Bible? No, because other religions are false."

you: "Lmao you aren’t aware of how ridiculous that sounds. This is literally the type of language that radical Islamic fundamentalists have when they’re doing ISIS recruitment."
me: "yes, many religious people believe their religion is the only correct one, and this includes, but is not exclusive to, both Christianity and Islam. this line of thinking is also conveyed by athiests and non-religious people groups (to include party line political fanatics)."

you: "Dismissing everything else as false because you have a favourite is brain dead."
me: "Everyone has personal source(s) of truth. Could be a religious text, a book, a news channel, a Fauci speech, a political party, a societal movement, a person, the list goes on. What are your source(s) of truth?"

you: "Many different sources. I like relying on data mainly, or academic sources.
Why is it ok for Christian fundamentalists and not Islamic fundamentalists?"
me: "I never said it wasn't okay for Islamic fundamentalists.
I never said it wasn't okay for you to have your own sources of truth.
My point: people have them. For Christians, it is the Bible. For you, it is data and academic sources. You disagree with, discount, or dismiss sources outside of your personal sources of truth. It's the same thing, just with a different source. Does it sound ridiculous to you now?"

you: "So do you believe that it’s wrong for people to be upset with strict Muslims that want sharia law? It’s their truth and what they believe."
me: "That's very ambiguous wording. But to answer your question: it's not a crime to "be upset." State of being indicates passivity.
It's also not a crime to disagree with something. Disagreement without action also indicates passivity."

you: "You said “I never said it wasn’t ok for Islamic fundamentalists” and I asked if you think it’s wrong for people to be upset with those views. You clearly believe it is wrong for people to judge Kirk for his religious views."

like - how do you even follow your own spaghetti logic?
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Oh, the guy who made the inclination that I’m excusing his murder because I said he was hateful but tried to walk it back is asking for someone else to stop spinning. Rich. You would have done yourself a favour if you just articulated why you thought I was justifying his murder instead of this weird diatribe about which religious text is the most true. Oh the bizarre point that Islamic fundamentalists aren’t spreading hate (which I’ve been assured by some, is the case by Muslim people just simply existing).

Really enjoyed the discussion of finding myself as somehow a more hateful person than religious fanatics. I’ll let the FBI know that they can get rid of any members of ISIS because they’re using their source of truth and since it’s religious it’s not allowed to be judged.
 
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I didn't make any such statement, and that was never my intent.

Your victim mentality prevents you from actually trying to understand what I was saying. And now, you are projecting multiple things onto me?

I'm moving on. I can't reason with someone who doesn't want to try.

You are impressively delusional.
 
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I thought this was pretty shitty the way ABC tried to humanize the killer. I want to point out I don't care that the shooter's lover was transgender, it doesn't factor into this ABC report. I would feel the same way if the shooter was heterosexual, homosexual, or if he was texting his pet rock. My beef is the way they use lots of soft language to downplay how he "jeopardized" the life of Charlie Kirk, and then talked about the duality of his nature as if that somehow made the killer a better person.

 
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ulukinatme said:
I thought this was pretty shitty the way ABC tried to humanize the killer. I want to point out I don't care that the shooter's lover was transgender, it doesn't factor into this ABC report. I would feel the same way if the shooter was heterosexual, homosexual, or if he was texting his pet rock. My beef is the way they use lots of soft language to downplay how he "jeopardized" the life of Charlie Kirk, and then talked about the duality of his nature as if that somehow made the killer a better person.

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Freudian slip, dude is in love.
 
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ulukinatme said:
I thought this was pretty shitty the way ABC tried to humanize the killer. I want to point out I don't care that the shooter's lover was transgender, it doesn't factor into this ABC report. I would feel the same way if the shooter was heterosexual, homosexual, or if he was texting his pet rock. My beef is the way they use lots of soft language to downplay how he "jeopardized" the life of Charlie Kirk, and then talked about the duality of his nature as if that somehow made the killer a better person.

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Of course ABC sees a trans-gay couple killing a conservative and can’t help themselves.

 
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LifelongFan said:
Looks like conservatives are just lying. Unless they cried when bin Laden was killed. They've also been supporting and justifying a genocide. Conservatives just don't view the murders they support as being political.
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Genocide of?
 
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LifelongFan said:
Looks like conservatives are just lying. Unless they cried when bin Laden was killed. They've also been supporting and justifying a genocide. Conservatives just don't view the murders they support as being political.
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Bro, shut up. Someone died, an American, some of us know the man personally. We get it, you hate the guy because he says things you don’t like. But stop being a little bitch.
 
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Bro, shut up. Someone died, an American, some of us know the man personally. We get it, you hate the guy because he says things you don’t like. But stop being a little bitch.
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Where was this energy by you towards Drayer and Virginia when Hortman and her husband were gunned down 90 days ago?

If anyone here is being a bitch, it's you.
 
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Irish#1 said:
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I'm sorry these texts are too on the nose. Who TF types out that much on text? I get the sociopathic narcissist unable to STFU and give a Bond villain level over explanation of every move but this linguistics here need to be backed up by other texts showing similar prose.

TLDR - who TF talks like that, let alone texts
 
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ozzman said:
And until the release of the text messages, the theory had a lot of evidence to support it.
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Or he is set up for an easier open/shut case by corrupt law enforcement motivated by expediency or even complicity consistent with exhibited behavior in the Michigan kidnapping case.

Why the nuts saying they did it confusing the initial response? Supports a group effort, not a lone gunman. These texts supporting lone gunman smell WAY too much like a misdirection. Much like Butler shooting where we know so little surrounding the shooter with details making little sense in larger context (and don't even get me started on the Vegas shooter). I do not believe any of these three events were facilitated by a single individual.

Separate note:

 
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How many people on this planet think deleting their texts permanently erases them? Your IQ would have to be so unbelievably low to think you could text that safely - I wouldn't even trust a phone call or speaking in the presence of any Alexa/Siri enabled device but at least a phone call would intuitively be more secure than a fucking text message. Way too convenient, detailed and scripted.
 
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