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[drayer54]

Remember when fat white trash were upset at the media playing “identity politics” with the usual shooters, but now the closet doors are open and we’ve got the Chasers getting hard at anything trans related?

****This is despite the fact that trans people commit mass shootings at lower rates than their % of the population. Maybe Wild Bill can help the class digest on a few numbers after he gets back to me on how rate stats work

Manipulated gun data is a favorite tool of the left. Trans population hasn’t been consistent over time and you can easily play with the timeframe to stand there and draw this dumbass conclusion. The sky is blue, thus!!
Again, several recent hate filled mass shootings from the trans community and this one has a clear link. They didn’t shoot Charlie for being a RINO.

 

[GATTACA!]

Grok going to get taken out behind the woodshed again for telling the truth. Stupid thing!

 

[ColoradoIrish]

On the same day Charlie Kirk was killed by a white male, 3 kids in Colorado were shot and killed by another white male who was an alt right white supremacist. Don't forget about that

 

[GATTACA!]

On the same day Charlie Kirk was killed by a white male, 3 kids in Colorado were shot and killed by another white male who was an alt right white supremacist. Don't forget about that

I heard his landscaper was trans though.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I heard his landscaper was trans though.

I live 15 minutes away from him, I used my tranny voodoo powers

 

[TorontoGold]

Manipulated gun data is a favorite tool of the left. Trans population hasn’t been consistent over time and you can easily play with the timeframe to stand there and draw this dumbass conclusion. The sky is blue, thus!!
Again, several recent hate filled mass shootings from the trans community and this one has a clear link. They didn’t shoot Charlie for being a RINO.

Manipulated gun data? As opposed to what? Random tweets from Russian botfarms have better data?

It’s incredible, even Kash Patel is saying the trans roommate is helping in the investigation. Is Kash Patel woke? Trans?!?!

 

[NDWarrior]

Hey guys there's football on

If only it had been worth watching the game and missing this drama 🍿

 

[Irish#1]

Show where you said that the IDF was wrong for striking a hospital a second time that killed non-military targets. This should be easy to do since the IDF said they messed up. I can narrow the search for you it happened in August.

We have empathy for those Palestinians.

Here's my issue with the statement above and I pointed this out before. If someone or persons don't spell it out how you like it, it doesn't count or is like they don't disapprove. There are a number of reasons people don't respond, but if I had the notion or time (I don't), I'm sure I could find examples where you didn't respond or like posts that many felt should have elicited a response.

 

[NorthDakota]

Manipulated gun data? As opposed to what? Random tweets from Russian botfarms have better data?

It’s incredible, even Kash Patel is saying the trans roommate is helping in the investigation. Is Kash Patel woke? Trans?!?!

To me, it goes to what Kirk was getting into right when he got shot. "Mass shootings" is defined as any incident with 4 or more victims or something like that (I think). I think we all know that people are not thinking of gang violence when they hear "mass shooting."

They are thinking of a lone gunman going on some suicide mission. I don't know what the data is on those. I know the stereotype of school shooters for example is a white loner/outcast type. There has been a few trans shooters in the last few years now I think? For such a small group, I think it's normal to wonder what's going on there.

As for the roommate, people cooperate with law enforcement for any number of reasons. I'm guessing we will learn in due time the motivation for cooperation. Perhaps its for immunity, reduced charges, fear, change of heart....or maybe this guy just didnt know anything and is appalled by the shooter's actions.

Charging documents come out tomorrow I believe. The governor or someone said there will be plenty of information there for people to dig into.

Semi-related - I have a feeling Kash is going to be taking a golden parachute pretty soon. Hearing a lot of people in the administration are not impressed with his handling of this (and general job performance).

 

[ColoradoIrish]

To me, it goes to what Kirk was getting into right when he got shot. "Mass shootings" is defined as any incident with 4 or more victims or something like that (I think). I think we all know that people are not thinking of gang violence when they hear "mass shooting."

They are thinking of a lone gunman going on some suicide mission. I don't know what the data is on those. I know the stereotype of school shooters for example is a white loner/outcast type. There has been a few trans shooters in the last few years now I think? For such a small group, I think it's normal to wonder what's going on there.

As for the roommate, people cooperate with law enforcement for any number of reasons. I'm guessing we will learn in due time the motivation for cooperation. Perhaps its for immunity, reduced charges, fear, change of heart....or maybe this guy just didnt know anything and is appalled by the shooter's actions.

Charging documents come out tomorrow I believe. The governor or someone said there will be plenty of information there for people to dig into.

Semi-related - I have a feeling Kash is going to be taking a golden parachute pretty soon. Hearing a lot of people in the administration are not impressed with his handling of this (and general job performance).

It's pretty obvious what's been going the last few years if anyone has been paying attention. Look at the website below.

2025 Anti-Trans Bills: Trans Legislation Tracker

2025 anti-trans bills tracker. Explore data on U.S. anti-trans legislation including passed bills and themes including sports, bathrooms, healthcare, pronouns, drag shows, and education.

translegislation.com

Not to mention these people are also chronically online and are constantly hearing crazy right wing talking points calling trans people crazy, groomers and pedophiles. It's no different than the the white male shooter stereotype.

 

[drayer54]

It's pretty obvious what's been going the last few years if anyone has been paying attention. Look at the website below.

2025 Anti-Trans Bills: Trans Legislation Tracker

2025 anti-trans bills tracker. Explore data on U.S. anti-trans legislation including passed bills and themes including sports, bathrooms, healthcare, pronouns, drag shows, and education.

translegislation.com

Not to mention these people are also chronically online and are constantly hearing crazy right wing talking points calling trans people crazy, groomers and pedophiles. It's no different than the the white male shooter stereotype.

So this is the justification?


Also, from your website, yeah, a lot of this common sense to the majority. The big ticket items-
"forcibly out trans students to their parents" is one that is wild to me. Parents should be responsible and aware for their children.
"ban basic gender identity education" Dems wanting to teach trans ideology in public schools is wild to me as well.
"Over one third of states have already passed laws banning transgender students from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity." - Should be 50. I coach girls and it would be ridiculous to appease someone's fantasy as a child with this.

All of this turns into calling people nazis and fascists on the news, tv, music, and then these people with a much higher probability of mental illness go out and go lethal while some pretend it is statistically de minimus because it is a new trend.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So this is the justification?


Also, from your website, yeah, a lot of this common sense to the majority. The big ticket items-
"forcibly out trans students to their parents" is one that is wild to me. Parents should be responsible and aware for their children.
"ban basic gender identity education" Dems wanting to teach trans ideology in public schools is wild to me as well.
"Over one third of states have already passed laws banning transgender students from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity." - Should be 50. I coach girls and it would be ridiculous to appease someone's fantasy as a child with this.

All of this turns into calling people nazis and fascists on the news, tv, music, and then these people with a much higher probability of mental illness go out and go lethal while some pretend it is statistically de minimus because it is a new trend.

Holy hell you're a moron. I've never said it was ok. You all do realize the people that started throwing around Nazi first was the current VP?

 

[drayer54]

Holy hell you're a moron. I've never said it was ok. You all do realize the people that started throwing around Nazi first was the current VP?

There's no contest on who has been using the insane rhetoric. Our last VP even called Trump, another Republican who was shot at, a fascist. We don't know what is going to come from the investigation into the collaborators of the shooter, but it would certainly appear that this guy had a motive and link related to the trans hostilities similar to others on the list.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

There's no contest on who has been using the insane rhetoric. Our last VP even called Trump, another Republican who was shot at, a fascist. We don't know what is going to come from the investigation into the collaborators of the shooter, but it would certainly appear that this guy had a motive and link related to the trans hostilities similar to others on the list.

We literally know nothing about the motives currently

 

[drayer54]

We literally know nothing about the motives currently

Really? I'm genuinely asking if you are getting this from MSNBC? I know they tried to pitch it as a random event to their viewers with no known motive. We do indeed know some things to be true.

What do we know-

• He had "hey fascist! catch!" written on one bullet, Antifa messaging on another.
• He's gay, having relations with a trans person. Not a big pro Charlie Kirk base.
• He has allegedly spoken about his hatred of Charlie Kirk to family members
• Chose the timing of his answering about trans shooters as the moment to pull the trigger.
• “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology” per government officials.
• Active on Antifa discord channels, posting their after the shooting as well
• One of the leftist groups that he was active in deleted social media presence after the shooting, per axios

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Really? I'm genuinely asking if you are getting this from MSNBC? I know they tried to pitch it as a random event to their viewers with no known motive. We do indeed know some things to be true.

What do we know-

• He had "hey fascist! catch!" written on one bullet, Antifa messaging on another.
• He's gay, having relations with a trans person. Not a big pro Charlie Kirk base.
• He has allegedly spoken about his hatred of Charlie Kirk to family members
• Chose the timing of his answering about trans shooters as the moment to pull the trigger.
• “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology” per government officials.
• Active on Antifa discord channels, posting their after the shooting as well
• One of the leftist groups that he was active in deleted social media presence after the shooting, per axios

I've said repeatedly I don't use mainstream news sources like fox, cnn, msnbc .

Almost everything you posted has also been said to tie him to the groypers, I've been keeping up but waiting until the report comes out tomorrow.

 

[IrishLax]

We literally know nothing about the motives currently

You don't know the motives of someone who wrote "bella ciao" on their bullets? Huh? It's literally the anti-fascist anthem going back to WW2.

Charlie Kirk was killed because the shooter considered him a fascist. The end. It's a one sentence explanation and simple, I dgaf about identity politics.

EDIT: I guess if you're a conspiracy theorist you could make a case for a false flag attack trying to frame it as anti-fascist, but yeah. The messaging taken at face value is clear as day.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You don't know the motives of someone who wrote "bella ciao" on their bullets? Huh? It's literally the anti-fascist anthem going back to WW2.

Charlie Kirk was killed because the shooter considered him a fascist. The end. It's a one sentence explanation and simple, I dgaf about identity politics.

Like I said there's been plenty of reports of all of those quotes being attributed to Nick Fuentes group. I don't think anyone here really understands that whole brain rot culture.

And as I've said if that was the case, I think it's important to talk about why people considered Charlie Kirk a fascist and what his beliefs were. I've repeatedly said he didn't deserve this, but I believe it's important to talk about why it happened as well.

 

[TorontoGold]

We have empathy for those Palestinians.

Here's my issue with the statement above and I pointed this out before. If someone or persons don't spell it out how you like it, it doesn't count or is like they don't disapprove. There are a number of reasons people don't respond, but if I had the notion or time (I don't), I'm sure I could find examples where you didn't respond or like posts that many felt should have elicited a response.

Where in your entire posting history is something supposed to assume you aren’t ok with the IDF striking a hospital? You’ve never said it’s wrong before, but everyone is supposed to believe the ethnic group who is primarily Muslim (who you’ve noted plenty of times isn’t a great group of people) you have empathy for?

lol name one time you’ve been empathetic to any Muslim person in your posting history on this website.

We’re supposed to just assume lmao

 

[NDVirginia19]

Like I said there's been plenty of reports of all of those quotes being attributed to Nick Fuentes group. I don't think anyone here really understands that whole brain rot culture.

And as I've said if that was the case, I think it's important to talk about why people considered Charlie Kirk a fascist and what his beliefs were. I've repeatedly said he didn't deserve this, but I believe it's important to talk about why it happened as well.

If you focus on what he said and why it was "dangerous rhetoric" you are pretty much advocating for the suppression of speech. As are the people who are clamoring to get people fired for what they said in the wake of Kirk's assassination.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

If you focus on what he said and why it was "dangerous rhetoric" you are pretty much advocating for the suppression of speech. As are the people who are clamoring to get people fired for what they said in the wake of Kirk's assassination.

That's a hell of stretch.

 

[IrishLax]

Like I said there's been plenty of reports of all of those quotes being attributed to Nick Fuentes group. I don't think anyone here really understands that whole brain rot culture.

And as I've said if that was the case, I think it's important to talk about why people considered Charlie Kirk a fascist and what his beliefs were. I've repeatedly said he didn't deserve this, but I believe it's important to talk about why it happened as well.

That doesn't really make sense to me. No shade here and not trying to be argumentative, but like "bella ciao" has for 100ish years had crystal clear meaning. I don't know what a "groyper" is.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

That doesn't really make sense to me. No shade here and not trying to be argumentative, but like "bella ciao" has for 100ish years had crystal clear meaning. I don't know what a "groyper" is.

That's kind of my whole point behind this thing. I'll find some things and add them to my post to add context

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Bella ciao has also apparently been used by them as a way to sow confusion.

There's a whole subsect of far right "groypers" even into "femcels" and "femboys". The whole thing is a cesspool and further shows how chronically online the younger generation is and how we don't understand it.

 

[NorthDakota]

I've said repeatedly I don't use mainstream news sources like fox, cnn, msnbc .

Almost everything you posted has also been said to tie him to the groypers, I've been keeping up but waiting until the report comes out tomorrow.

I think waiting for the documents tomorrow is a good call. I do know the governor of Utah is very sympathetic on trans stuff, not a conservative firebrand, and has been crystal clear that the guy is a left wing nut. Its possible hes wrong but it seems unlikely he'd be getting things that far backwards. None of us (that I know of) are law enforcement working on the investigation so I dont see any harm in speculating.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think waiting for the documents tomorrow is a good call. I do know the governor of Utah is very sympathetic on trans stuff, not a conservative firebrand, and has been crystal clear that the guy is a left wing nut. Its possible hes wrong but it seems unlikely he'd be getting things that far backwards. None of us (that I know of) are law enforcement working on the investigation so I dont see any harm in speculating.

The harm in speculating is the rhetoric that comes out of it. We legitimately have people calling to institutionalize all trans people, calling trans people terrorists, calling to remove trans people's rights. The shooter was white male.

 

[GATTACA!]

That doesn't really make sense to me. No shade here and not trying to be argumentative, but like "bella ciao" has for 100ish years had crystal clear meaning. I don't know what a "groyper" is.

“If you’re reading this you’re gay”

Very leftist.

 

[drayer54]

And as I've said if that was the case, I think it's important to talk about why people considered Charlie Kirk a fascist and what his beliefs were. I've repeatedly said he didn't deserve this, but I believe it's important to talk about why it happened as well.

"condemn the violence but let's unpack why the victim kinda had it coming"

Who else low-key has an assassination coming? If Kirk's rhetoric was the "why," then every conservative pundit out there is just one heated debate away from a rooftop sniper.

Kirk wasn't leading riots, burning communities, and directing hate. He was out there promoting debate in a place (univiersities) where ideas are suppressed. He was trying to throw out his views and promote thinking and discussion in a place where it belonged. He was as peaceful in his tactics as anyone.

Why did it happen? Saw this one online today and it approached it well.

• Relentless Demonization of Opponents: By routinely labeling right-wing figures like Charlie Kirk as "Nazis" or "fascists" without nuance, it dehumanizes them and normalizes the idea that their views are not just wrong, but existentially evil—paving the way for violence as a "justified" response.
• Extreme and Inflammatory Rhetoric: The left's habit of using hyperbolic language, like calling conservative policies "genocide" or "white supremacy," escalates tensions to a boiling point where a shooting feels like a logical escalation rather than an aberration.
• Tolerance or Excusal of Violence: During events like the 2020 riots, downplaying or justifying looting and destruction as "mostly peaceful" or "reparative" sends a message that political violence is acceptable when it aligns with progressive causes, emboldening extremists on all sides.
• Framing Dissent as an Existential Threat: Portraying anything short of immediate capitulation to left-wing agendas (e.g., on climate, gender, or immigration) as a doomsday scenario erodes civil discourse, making targeted individuals like Kirk seem like the root of all evil worth eliminating.
• De-Legitimizing Democratic Institutions and Voices: Constantly undermining elections, media, or figures like Kirk as "illegitimate" or "stolen" fosters a siege mentality, where supporters feel compelled to "defend" against perceived threats through any means necessary, including bullets.
• Cultural Echo Chambers Amplifying Grievances: Social media bubbles on the left amplify stories of "systemic oppression" tied to Kirk's activism, turning policy disagreements into personal vendettas and radicalizing individuals who see violence as heroic resistance.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

"condemn the violence but let's unpack why the victim kinda had it coming"

Who else low-key has an assassination coming? If Kirk's rhetoric was the "why," then every conservative pundit out there is just one heated debate away from a rooftop sniper.

Kirk wasn't leading riots, burning communities, and directing hate. He was out there promoting debate in a place (univiersities) where ideas are suppressed. He was trying to throw out his views and promote thinking and discussion in a place where it belonged. He was as peaceful in his tactics as anyone.

Why did it happen? Saw this one online today and it approached it well.

• Relentless Demonization of Opponents: By routinely labeling right-wing figures like Charlie Kirk as "Nazis" or "fascists" without nuance, it dehumanizes them and normalizes the idea that their views are not just wrong, but existentially evil—paving the way for violence as a "justified" response.
• Extreme and Inflammatory Rhetoric: The left's habit of using hyperbolic language, like calling conservative policies "genocide" or "white supremacy," escalates tensions to a boiling point where a shooting feels like a logical escalation rather than an aberration.
• Tolerance or Excusal of Violence: During events like the 2020 riots, downplaying or justifying looting and destruction as "mostly peaceful" or "reparative" sends a message that political violence is acceptable when it aligns with progressive causes, emboldening extremists on all sides.
• Framing Dissent as an Existential Threat: Portraying anything short of immediate capitulation to left-wing agendas (e.g., on climate, gender, or immigration) as a doomsday scenario erodes civil discourse, making targeted individuals like Kirk seem like the root of all evil worth eliminating.
• De-Legitimizing Democratic Institutions and Voices: Constantly undermining elections, media, or figures like Kirk as "illegitimate" or "stolen" fosters a siege mentality, where supporters feel compelled to "defend" against perceived threats through any means necessary, including bullets.
• Cultural Echo Chambers Amplifying Grievances: Social media bubbles on the left amplify stories of "systemic oppression" tied to Kirk's activism, turning policy disagreements into personal vendettas and radicalizing individuals who see violence as heroic resistance.

You should take your own advice and get out of the echo chamber

 

[drayer54]

The harm in speculating is the rhetoric that comes out of it. We legitimately have people calling to institutionalize all trans people, calling trans people terrorists, calling to remove trans people's rights. The shooter was white male.

So because the shooter who was a white male, that happened to be gay with a trans person and indoctrinated into left-wing world view- and felt like opposing views were existential threat, surrounded himself with inflammatory rhetoric, demonized right-wing voices, and found a supportive echo-chamber where he felt safe thinking and advocating for violence, he acted on it. This would be harmful speculation if we didn't know the facts that have already been released. No?

You should take your own advice and get out of the echo chamber

Why do you think Charlie Kirk was shot?