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[RDU Irish]

I don’t think it is fair at all to say that the capital L Left with large has been anything but mournful and disgusted with the assassination, but I do think it is true that there is more popular support for Kirk’s assassination among the left than there has been for any targeted assassinations against left leaning politicians. I mean there were tweets with hundreds of thousands of likes cheering it on. I don’t think that is left leaning politics writ large, but I think it has more large support in the populous than you give it credit for. That’s not to discredit the abhorrent behavior of Mike Lee after the Minnesota assassinations or the behavior of people like Don Jr. after Nancy Pelosi’s husbands assault. I think it is genuinely a ghoulish behavior from both sides at the moment.

LOL @ Paul Pelosi's "assault" during "cat is away, mice will play" time. Pelosi exploiting the sick and vulnerable is a valid opinion to draw from that newsreel and I'm not sure how people have contorted that into some moral outrage against conservatives. No clue what Mike Lee said but MN assassin labeled MAGA is 100% BS - Dems clearly killed for getting out of line on free healthcare for illegal legislation. Letting obvious left and degenerate violence get labeled MAGA is devil in the ear stuff.

I have heard comments "they killed the nice one, you aren't going to like who steps up to replace him". I know next to nothing of this Fuentes guy but initial results seem he is a large beneficiary of this.

I encourage the folks calling Kirk a racist and fascist to post the content with full context supporting your claim. He has thousands of hours of material out there and you post none of it to support your claims. Smells a lot like fine people hoaxers and drink bleach hoaxers. Are you being dumb or dishonest? Prove me wrong.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So because the shooter who was a white male, that happened to be gay with a trans person and indoctrinated into left-wing world view- and felt like opposing views were existential threat, surrounded himself with inflammatory rhetoric, demonized right-wing voices, and found a supportive echo-chamber where he felt safe thinking and advocating for violence, he acted on it. This would be harmful speculation if we didn't know the facts that have already been released. No?

Why do you think Charlie Kirk was shot?

I don't know why he was shot yet. I believe there's been too many conflicting reports to say definitively one way or another why he was shot.

 

[GATTACA!]

LOL @ Paul Pelosi's "assault" during "cat is away, mice will play" time. Pelosi exploiting the sick and vulnerable is a valid opinion to draw from that newsreel and I'm not sure how people have contorted that into some moral outrage against conservatives. No clue what Mike Lee said but MN assassin labeled MAGA is 100% BS - Dems clearly killed for getting out of line on free healthcare for illegal legislation. Letting obvious left and degenerate violence get labeled MAGA is devil in the ear stuff.

I have heard comments "they killed the nice one, you aren't going to like who steps up to replace him". I know next to nothing of this Fuentes guy but initial results seem he is a large beneficiary of this.

I encourage the folks calling Kirk a racist and fascist to post the content with full context supporting your claim. He has thousands of hours of material out there and you post none of it to support your claims. Smells a lot like fine people hoaxers and drink bleach hoaxers. Are you being dumb or dishonest? Prove me wrong.

Completely divorced from reality.

 

[RDU Irish]

Completely divorced from reality.

You sir, are a master debater. good talk.

 

[drayer54]

I don't know why he was shot yet. I believe there's been too many conflicting reports to say definitively one way or another why he was shot.

And as I've said if that was the case, I think it's important to talk about why people considered Charlie Kirk a fascist and what his beliefs were. I've repeatedly said he didn't deserve this, but I believe it's important to talk about why it happened as well.

It appears you do have a theory or basis of why it happened and wanted to talk about it.

 

[NorthDakota]

Like I said there's been plenty of reports of all of those quotes being attributed to Nick Fuentes group. I don't think anyone here really understands that whole brain rot culture.

And as I've said if that was the case, I think it's important to talk about why people considered Charlie Kirk a fascist and what his beliefs were. I've repeatedly said he didn't deserve this, but I believe it's important to talk about why it happened as well.

If we talk about "why" he got shot it will basically end with a solid 30-40% of American voters being told that political positions they endorse or agree with to some extent may get you shot. It's just not a great exercise.

 

[drayer54]

If we talk about "why" he got shot it will basically end with a solid 30-40% of American voters being told that political positions they endorse or agree with to some extent may get you shot. It's just not a great exercise.

We somehow got to a place where people live in this bubble.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

If we talk about "why" he got shot it will basically end with a solid 30-40% of American voters being told that political positions they endorse or agree with to some extent may get you shot. It's just not a great exercise.

It has nothing to do with his political positions but how he talks about people. He spoke about all trans people as abominations and compares Doctors performing gender confirming care as Nazis saying they should be held in Nuremberg style trials.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

It appears you do have a theory or basis of why it happened and wanted to talk about it.

I have multiple ideas of why it could have happened. Until any kind of evidence is fully confirmed it's all purely speculative. I fully see what your seeing as one reasoning. I also see a lot of evidence showing that he was part of the groypers and seems like a turf war between Kirk and Fuentes'. It's why I'm waiting until there's more information. Either way the kid was chronically online and brainwashed with hate speech and driven to do a horrible thing.

 

[NorthDakota]

It has nothing to do with his political positions but how he talks about people. He spoke about all trans people as abominations and compares Doctors performing gender confirming care as Nazis saying they should be held in Nuremberg style trials.

So if he only advocated for banning/criminalizing trans surgeries/hormones/etc, he would be fine?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So if he only advocated for banning/criminalizing trans surgeries/hormones/etc, he would be fine?

I was just using that as an example considering the topic at hand. He has said plenty of other stuff that is equally abhorrent. I don't think it was fine that he's life was ended. I'm simply stating this wasn't some guy with just suffering political views.

 

[GATTACA!]

You sir, are a master debater. good talk.

What is the point? Your dumb conspiracy bullshit is called out and refuted and you just come back with the same shit the next time.

Paul Pelosi wasn't attacked by a gay lover. Does this look like the face of a guy someone with hundreds of millions of dollars would be having a secret affair with?

Even if your Infowars level conspiracy was correct, how does that justify mocking Pelosi for getting his brains bashed in?

The MN assassin was 100% MAGA according to everything involved including people close to him. The only lie used to try and push back against this idea, which you've swallowed, is that Walz appointed him for some position. Walz didn't appoint him, the guy was already on that small business council before Walz took office. And secondly who cares? There are hundreds of meaningless positions like that throughout state level governments. That is no indication that he was a lefty.

 

[LifelongFan]

The best comparison for this is how the right has memed and celebrated the death of George Floyd or called for Chauvin to be free.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The best comparison for this is how the right has memed and celebrated the death of George Floyd or called for Chauvin to be free.

I don't think that's necessarily the best comparison. It's probably a good thing that there's not more comparisons tho

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I do know the governor of Utah is very sympathetic on trans stuff, not a conservative firebrand, and has been crystal clear that the guy is a left wing nut.

Source?

Because the WSJ source you posted via the Daily Post over the weekend contained no such information.

 

[ozzman]

The same governor that said he was hoping it "wasn't one of us" and has pushed the FBI line the entire time even though kash's handling of the entire situation has been highly scrutinized and made him look really foolish. No family quotes so far have mentioned being on the left. It's only coming from the FBI and the suspect isn't cooperating. So the family tells the media one thing and the FBI something else?

I'll wait until everything comes out and all of the evidence is presented, but I'm sure some defense lawyer is licking his chops for this case. Unless there's a smoking gun, a lot of burden to prove guilt with the statements that were released during the manhunt.

 

[NorthDakota]

Source?

Because the WSJ source you posted via the Daily Post over the weekend contained no such information.

Whats the daily post? I havent heard of this

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Whats the daily post? I havent heard of this

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html

So he has no sourcing beyond...what has been posted days prior?...and we have the same amount of information saying the dude was a groyper.

You don't know what the post is? You posted a link to the post...which took sourcing from the WSJ that didn't support your own statement.

You even had to go back and edit your post.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I have a feeling Kash is going to be taking a golden parachute pretty soon. Hearing a lot of people in the administration are not impressed with his handling of this (and general job performance).

Who could have seen this coming?

 

[RDU Irish]

It has nothing to do with his political positions but how he talks about people. He spoke about all trans people as abominations and compares Doctors performing gender confirming care as Nazis saying they should be held in Nuremberg style trials.

Link? I am curious what source material presents so offensive to you. A lot more science backing up his position than your position IMO.

Curious your thoughts on minutes 18-24

What is the point? Your dumb conspiracy bullshit is called out and refuted and you just come back with the same shit the next time.

Paul Pelosi wasn't attacked by a gay lover. Does this look like the face of a guy someone with hundreds of millions of dollars would be having a secret affair with?

Even if your Infowars level conspiracy was correct, how does that justify mocking Pelosi for getting his brains bashed in?

The MN assassin was 100% MAGA according to everything involved including people close to him. The only lie used to try and push back against this idea, which you've swallowed, is that Walz appointed him for some position. Walz didn't appoint him, the guy was already on that small business council before Walz took office. And secondly who cares? There are hundreds of meaningless positions like that throughout state level governments. That is no indication that he was a lefty.

Lock up the nuts like this violent attacker. Why wouldn't Paul GTFO or stay locked in the bathroom until police arrived? Maybe if every violent lunatic was sentenced to life in prison like Paul's attacker we wouldn't have a dead Ukrainian in Charlotte on the train. I don't trust Pelosi to admit they knew the guy but that does not come across to me as people that have never met before.

MAGA attacking the very few Dems to cross the aisle for common sense legislation is absurd on it's face.

Regardless of which ever variety of nut (right or left) these are all nuts. The whataboutism immediately in response to Charlie Kirk's murder is disgusting and contrived, IMO. Deflect, deny and defer rather than address the issue at hand.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Does this look like the face of a guy someone with hundreds of millions of dollars would be having a secret affair with?

Well, considering his other romantic choice...

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Well, considering his other romantic choice...

*Looks at your avatar*

 

[NorthDakota]

The same governor that said he was hoping it "wasn't one of us" and has pushed the FBI line the entire time even though kash's handling of the entire situation has been highly scrutinized and made him look really foolish. No family quotes so far have mentioned being on the left. It's only coming from the FBI and the suspect isn't cooperating. So the family tells the media one thing and the FBI something else?

I'll wait until everything comes out and all of the evidence is presented, but I'm sure some defense lawyer is licking his chops for this case. Unless there's a smoking gun, a lot of burden to prove guilt with the statements that were released during the manhunt.

Every governor would prefer assassins arent from their state/country/etc.

I don't know if it'll be difficult or not. He'll get a good attorney im sure.

 

[NorthDakota]

Well, considering his other romantic choice...

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Nancy was a baddie in her youth.

 

[GATTACA!]

Well, considering his other romantic choice...

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[Bishop2b5]

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Given the number of facelifts she's had over the years, Is that her... well, you know.

 

[Irish#1]

I was just using that as an example considering the topic at hand. He has said plenty of other stuff that is equally abhorrent. I don't think it was fine that he's life was ended. I'm simply stating this wasn't some guy with just suffering political views.

To you and others, but I'm guessing it wasn't abhorrent to at least half of the adult population.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

To you and others, but I'm guessing it wasn't abhorrent to at least half of the adult population.

Maybe but that says a lot about the population then. He had a very different persona on his radio show or whatever it was vs when on campuses. He was a very good orator and especially good at knowing his audience.

Again I want to be crystal clear. I don't believe he deserved to die no matter his views. But I challenge people to really listen to what he said and how he spoke about different groups of people and the cultures of different people.

He called all queer people groomers because they can't reproduce. He routinely calls black people mentally inept.

 

[Irish#1]

The best comparison for this is how the right has memed and celebrated the death of George Floyd or called for Chauvin to be free.

The right wasn't celebrating the death of Floyd. They were questioning how the left was turning a drug user with a criminal history (who at the time was running from the law) into a martyr. Floyd would still be alive if he had simply stopped when they were pulling him over.

 

[Irish#1]

Maybe but that says a lot about the population then. He had a very different persona on his radio show or whatever it was vs when on campuses. He was a very good orator and especially good at knowing his audience.

Again I want to be crystal clear. I don't believe he deserved to die no matter his views. But I challenge people to really listen to what he said and how he spoke about different groups of people and the cultures of different people.

He called all queer people groomers because they can't reproduce. He routinely calls black people mentally inept.

I've seen several examples where people posted terrible things he said only to see the full clip where the context provided more clarity. He had his beliefs and you have yours. Who is more right?