Chris "Belt To" Ash - Defensive Coordinator

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I'm going to repeat what I said last night but Freeman has to give up control of hiring coordinators. This was a total disaster hire and his second in 4 years. Denbrock called a good game but that feels like a slam dunk hire with his history with ND. He is a good motivator, good leader, good recruiter. He just sucks at this one major thing.
He needs to stop going to Tressel for advice. I said it before, this guy was a failure everywhere he went and called defenses (Arkansas, Rutgers, Texas). Spare me from the co-DC role at Ohio State in 2014.

AGAIN, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SCOUT AND SAFETIES COACH FOR NFL TEAMS. HIS NAME WASN’T MENTIONED IN ANY OTHER COACHING CANDIDATES THIS OFF SEASON. THIS GUY SUCKS.
 

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While I do think Ash deserves a fair amount of criticism.

But…

What about Washington? Our DL has no difference makers on it, at least so far. The guys we were expecting to breakout, are not doing so. The pass rush is virtually non-existent through 8 quarters. And, TBH, there isn’t much of a history here of developing pass rushers. In ‘23 JJB had 5 and last year Mills had 7.5.

As others have pointed out, it’s not like the CB’s are good at anything so what is Ash supposed to do if Mickens guys can’t play Man or Zone.

At this point, I just think the entire staff grossly miscalculated the talent they had on the defensive roster. Or at least, how ready that talent was to perform.

Why? If I were the other team I’d throw at Hobbs every play too. Mix in a little Talich or Stroman for variety, and Zackery if he’s subbed in.

We thought we had the one of the best DB rooms in the country. Turns out we have one great DB. Two decent ones struggling with a different scheme, and a bunch of guys who can’t play at this level. Tae Johnson seems talented, maybe play him more.
Okay, but ask yourselves, do you really think the defense would be this bad with Golden still on staff? Absolutely not. We might have regressed a bit, but we would not be the 83rd defense in the country. Zero chance.
 

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Don't be dense. We replaced 2.5 total players:
-Watts
-Kiser
-Clark

We have tons of depth at LB, so it's really just Watts. Defenses every year replace more than one stud just fine. Are we seeing Penn State fall apart without Abdul Carter? Did Al Golden's defense fall apart when Rylie Mills got replaced during the playoffs?

You have to be kidding if you think a UDFA nickel is the sole difference between the defense being elite and total trash. That's a joke. If you can't scheme around a bad 3rd CB then you shouldn't be coaching.
Precisely, thank you. Our defense was running on fumes for most of the later part of the season and that entire playoff run and Golden worked through it. Chris Ash couldn't find his ass with a map, a compass, and both hands.
 

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He needs to stop going to Tressel for advice. I said it before, this guy was a failure everywhere he went and called defenses (Arkansas, Rutgers, Texas). Spare me from the co-DC role at Ohio State in 2014.

AGAIN, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SCOUT AND SAFETIES COACH FOR NFL TEAMS. HIS NAME WASN’T MENTIONED IN ANY OTHER COACHING CANDIDATES THIS OFF SEASON. THIS GUY SUCKS.
BINGO. I said the same thing about Jeff Quinn when Kelly hired him.

If he's so damn good, why didn't anyone else want to hire him?
 

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How does one scheme to get them to throw the ball at Moore and not the other 4 guys on every play?

Please enlighten me how you fix Hobbs ability to play man coverage. Because we both know you’re not gonna suggest zone. You have to double/shade a guy every single play?

I asked this last night and nobody can give an answer. How do you reconcile the compete dismissal of playing zone when Zackey and Hobbs can’t play man on their own (against who they’ve been tasked with)?

A&Ms best players play in the slot. Miami’s entire offense is predicated on the slot. We were just gonna scheme them out of those things? If you’re gonna drop the “did you play football” line I expect a world class answer here on how you would have taken Dawson/Klein out of their planned attacks.

Oh keep in mind your DEs aren’t getting ANY pass rush without blitzing and your safety play is suspect at best. Go on. Let’s hear it Lax.
Well you can actually try to pressure the quarterback instead of playing a soft zone and getting shredded. Sure, you could get shredded blitzing but Jesus, could it have gotten any worse? We gave up 360 yards to a Brandon Wimbush tier QB who completed like 45% of his passes because at times he could have laid down and taken a nap, safe in the Lord, back there in the pocket.
 

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Don't be dense. We replaced 2.5 total players:
-Watts
-Kiser
-Clark

We have tons of depth at LB, so it's really just Watts. Defenses every year replace more than one stud just fine. Are we seeing Penn State fall apart without Abdul Carter? Did Al Golden's defense fall apart when Rylie Mills got replaced during the playoffs?

You have to be kidding if you think a UDFA nickel is the sole difference between the defense being elite and total trash. That's a joke. If you can't scheme around a bad 3rd CB then you shouldn't be coaching.
There’s a difference between playing Miami with Beck and A&M with two stud WR’s vs Penn State whose played 3 cupcakes I’m sure if we played 3 cupcakes too the defense would look difference
 

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My biggest concern is losing the locker room and the recruiting class. If the upperclassmen guys aren’t happy with the defense Freeman needs to start calling plays or let Mickens take over. You need to get the current guys buying in and keep the recruiting class together. Maybe part of the issue is the guys hate playing the defense so don’t care who knows
 

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Well you can actually try to pressure the quarterback instead of playing a soft zone and getting shredded. Sure, you could get shredded blitzing but Jesus, could it have gotten any worse? We gave up 360 yards to a Brandon Wimbush tier QB who completed like 45% of his passes because at times he could have laid down and taken a nap, safe in the Lord, back there in the pocket.

That is one possible answer, play Cover 0 every play. I have questions over the long term viability of that but I accept it as an answer at least. You should certainly have more than 1 or 2 sacks or whatever it is.
 

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My biggest concern is losing the locker room and the recruiting class. If the upperclassmen guys aren’t happy with the defense Freeman needs to start calling plays or let Mickens take over. You need to get the current guys buying in and keep the recruiting class together. Maybe part of the issue is the guys hate playing the defense so don’t care who knows

The team doesn’t look fast and in shape like they did last year. It’s a total clusterfucking that’s going to cost us years down the road because we won’t have the recruits to improve or have the depth.
 

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The team doesn’t look fast and in shape like they did last year. It’s a total clusterfucking that’s going to cost us years down the road because we won’t have the recruits to improve or have the depth.
Can we just wait and see if we lose any verbals before writing off the next 5 years? Some of you aren't going to survive this season.
 

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Well you can actually try to pressure the quarterback instead of playing a soft zone and getting shredded. Sure, you could get shredded blitzing but Jesus, could it have gotten any worse? We gave up 360 yards to a Brandon Wimbush tier QB who completed like 45% of his passes because at times he could have laid down and taken a nap, safe in the Lord, back there in the pocket.
Yeah. Reed missed a bunch of throws, went 17/37 total, and not b/c we were pressuring him. Hit a few more passes and the game's a lot less close.
 

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I have to go back and rewatch, but it seems like when we man up and bring the heat, good things happen. Negative plays, turnovers. Sure, we might give up some big catches sometimes, but we will make big plays and force the QB to be inaccurate over the course of the game. That was the recipe last year. If you don't know how to play zone, no way you sit in a soft shell and let a D1 QB pick you apart.

Also, I strongly feel you need to be extremely physical in practice. Can't ask guys to do something on game day that you don't ask them to do during the week.
 

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Listening to podcasts this morning. Media is rightfully being harsh on Ash. He has taken a defense that should at a minimum very good and made them below average. Defenders look lost pre snap not knowing responsibilities, d line doing nothing exotic to try and get pressure.

This is totally a second coming of BVG. These are Notre dame athletes. If your defenders are running around confused, that is 100% on the coaches and their inability to convey where and what they are supposed to be doing
 

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We will see how bold Marcus Freeman is as a head coach. He has touted Mickens as a future DC. Our current DC is clearly not the answer. Make the change now and promote Mickens. See if you have your future DC already on the staff considering this season's goals are already compromised.
 

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Listening to podcasts this morning. Media is rightfully being harsh on Ash. He has taken a defense that should at a minimum very good and made them below average. Defenders look lost pre snap not knowing responsibilities, d line doing nothing exotic to try and get pressure.

This is totally a second coming of BVG. These are Notre dame athletes. If your defenders are running around confused, that is 100% on the coaches and their inability to convey where and what they are supposed to be doing
Jamie went fuckin innnn
 

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The offense can very clearly win any game.

Time for Freeman to take over the defense and strip it down to its bare bones. There is mass confusion across the board presnap. Tough to be good at your job when you don’t know what you or your teammates job is.
 

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Ass has failed at every role he’s had the last 5-10 years. You don’t hire and promote people that constantly fail. Not only did freeman hire him, he gave him a massive multi level promotion and about a 15x pay raise. That doesn’t happen and it shouldn’t.

The problem is we have a HC that is a good ceo but in reality, is stupid, and we have a stupid DC. Neither of them can talk about scheme, what issues are, or how you fix them. Freeman couldn’t help Parker at OC and he can’t help ash at DC, now we’ve failed those two seasons with talented teams because of freeman’s terrible coordinator promotions/hires.
 

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Ass has failed at every role he’s had the last 5-10 years. You don’t hire and promote people that constantly fail. Not only did freeman hire him, he gave him a massive multi level promotion and about a 15x pay raise. That doesn’t happen and it shouldn’t.

The problem is we have a HC that is a good ceo but in reality, is stupid, and we have a stupid DC. Neither of them can talk about scheme, what issues are, or how you fix them. Freeman couldn’t help Parker at OC and he can’t help ash at DC, now we’ve failed those two seasons with talented teams because of freeman’s terrible coordinator promotions/hires.
Your posts are too hyperbolic. You choose to forget everything that doesn't support your opinions and exaggerate the few points that do.
 

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Ass has failed at every role he’s had the last 5-10 years. You don’t hire and promote people that constantly fail. Not only did freeman hire him, he gave him a massive multi level promotion and about a 15x pay raise. That doesn’t happen and it shouldn’t.

The problem is we have a HC that is a good ceo but in reality, is stupid, and we have a stupid DC. Neither of them can talk about scheme, what issues are, or how you fix them. Freeman couldn’t help Parker at OC and he can’t help ash at DC, now we’ve failed those two seasons with talented teams because of freeman’s terrible coordinator promotions/hires.
I do find it amusing that you call Freeman stupid while posting your stream of consciousness, rambling nonsense. However, for the sake of argument, why is Freeman stupid?
 

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Can anyone confirm that not a single defensive position coach is in the booth? If Ash ain’t seeing it you gotta get something to change

We’ve given up 35 points in the 2Q. There is your pre-game plan and the 2H has overall gone good. Why are we getting torched consistently in the 2Q? Two games, two teams spamming something consistently for a barrage of big plays.

Losing Golden + Watts/Kiser they are getting wrecked on early adjustments.
 
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Ass has failed at every role he’s had the last 5-10 years. You don’t hire and promote people that constantly fail. Not only did freeman hire him, he gave him a massive multi level promotion and about a 15x pay raise. That doesn’t happen and it shouldn’t.

The problem is we have a HC that is a good ceo but in reality, is stupid, and we have a stupid DC. Neither of them can talk about scheme, what issues are, or how you fix them. Freeman couldn’t help Parker at OC and he can’t help ash at DC, now we’ve failed those two seasons with talented teams because of freeman’s terrible coordinator promotions/hires.

I wish I was stupid enough to convince someone to pay me $9m a year
 

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How does one scheme to get them to throw the ball at Moore and not the other 4 guys on every play?

Please enlighten me how you fix Hobbs ability to play man coverage. Because we both know you’re not gonna suggest zone. You have to double/shade a guy every single play?

I asked this last night and nobody can give an answer. How do you reconcile the compete dismissal of playing zone when Zackey and Hobbs can’t play man on their own (against who they’ve been tasked with)?

A&Ms best players play in the slot. Miami’s entire offense is predicated on the slot. We were just gonna scheme them out of those things? If you’re gonna drop the “did you play football” line I expect a world class answer here on how you would have taken Dawson/Klein out of their planned attacks.

Oh keep in mind your DEs aren’t getting ANY pass rush without blitzing and your safety play is suspect at best. Go on. Let’s hear it Lax.
Do you not realize that there are dozens of teams each year with players much worse than Hobbs who go on to play much better defense? We have literally seen service academies with top 25 defenses.

It's not about going play-by-play and saying "well we should've done exactly XYZ here to protect Hobbs" ... I could easily go back to 4th and 11 or the explosive play to Craver with 2 minutes left and say "if we were in this call instead of the one we were in then this wouldn't have been open." Do you know how easy those hypotheticals are? That kind of hindsight is totally worthless... that's not how stuff is done in the real world. There is no coach that thinks that way. Every game the OC is going to catch the DC in something and vice versa, that's literally why they get paid the money.

The position that Hobbs is so unbelievably trash that his VOR replacing a UDFA nickel == total collapse of the defense from 2024 to 2025 and there is nothing that can be done about it is so outlandish that it doesn't warrant any discussion. You could be playing Joe Schmidt as your nickel instead of Clark and it wouldn't account for what we are seeing. The issues go so far beyond Hobbs' crappy play.

1A. We are not generating many negative plays
1B. Despite giving up tons of explosive plays

This would tell you that you either need to go the Diaco route (and he led a championship caliber defense with a true freshman converted RB as one of his starting corners) where you emphasize giving up zero explosive plays and stopping the run with fundamentally sound zone defense and great tackling. But the early returns on Ash is that he clearly hasn't coached the guys well to play zone, it looks awful. So that's unlikely to have better results, and also doesn't lend itself well to the weakness at DT.

Or you need to start playing almost exclusively Cover 1 and Cover 0, blitz like crazy, try to create a bunch of negative plays. This is likely to give up a good amount of explosive plays and points every game... but you're already doing that. In ~70 plays last night there were probably ~15-20 that went for 10+ yards and a half dozen of those went for 20+ yards. That's crazy. To the naked eye, we blitzed more and played more man in the second half and were overall much more effective until the last drive.
 

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Can anyone confirm that not a single defensive position coach is in the booth? If Ash ain’t seeing it you gotta get something to change

We’ve given up 35 points in the 2Q. There is your pre-game plan and the 2H has overall gone good. Why are we getting torched consistently in the 2Q? Two games, two teams spamming something consistently for a barrage of big plays.

Losing Golden + Watts/Kiser they are getting wrecked on early adjustments.
I wondered that myself. You see Ash,Washington,Mickens,bullogh all on the sideline. You think id be beneficial to have someone up there to see things happen in real time. At this point, its not going to hurt
 

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And none of this shit is relevant to the fact that we spent 6+ months making structural changes to the defense that clearly aren't being executed well and aren't working. Those are the facts.

Does anyone honestly think if Golden was still running the show he would have Hobbs this unready to play? Or that we wouldn't have had the safety opposite Shuler not figured out? Mickens, Washington, all of these position coaches do NOT operate in a vacuum. It all flows downhill. Post-spring, everyone with their ears open heard the rumblings about the potential icebergs on the horizon and now we've hit them.
 

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Do you not realize that there are dozens of teams each year with players much worse than Hobbs who go on to play much better defense? We have literally seen service academies with top 25 defenses.

It's not about going play-by-play and saying "well we should've done exactly XYZ here to protect Hobbs" ... I could easily go back to 4th and 11 or the explosive play to Craver with 2 minutes left and say "if we were in this call instead of the one we were in then this wouldn't have been open." Do you know how easy those hypotheticals are? That kind of hindsight is totally worthless... that's not how stuff is done in the real world. There is no coach that thinks that way. Every game the OC is going to catch the DC in something and vice versa, that's literally why they get paid the money.

The position that Hobbs is so unbelievably trash that his VOR replacing a UDFA nickel == total collapse of the defense from 2024 to 2025 and there is nothing that can be done about it is so outlandish that it doesn't warrant any discussion. You could be playing Joe Schmidt as your nickel instead of Clark and it wouldn't account for what we are seeing. The issues go so far beyond Hobbs' crappy play.

1A. We are not generating many negative plays
1B. Despite giving up tons of explosive plays

This would tell you that you either need to go the Diaco route (and he led a championship caliber defense with a true freshman converted RB as one of his starting corners) where you emphasize giving up zero explosive plays and stopping the run with fundamentally sound zone defense and great tackling. But the early returns on Ash is that he clearly hasn't coached the guys well to play zone, it looks awful. So that's unlikely to have better results, and also doesn't lend itself well to the weakness at DT.

Or you need to start playing almost exclusively Cover 1 and Cover 0, blitz like crazy, try to create a bunch of negative plays. This is likely to give up a good amount of explosive plays and points every game... but you're already doing that. In ~70 plays last night there were probably ~15-20 that went for 10+ yards and a half dozen of those went for 20+ yards. That's crazy. To the naked eye, we blitzed more and played more man in the second half and were overall much more effective until the last drive.

So most of this post isn’t responding to what I said at all. That’s fine, I’ll ignore the filler. Play more Cover 0 and Cover 1 is a possible solution to the defensive performance yeah I agree, as I said above and said in my first post last night.

How does that any of that address what I said on teams targeting Hobbs?
 

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What a waste of talent.

CJ and the Offense are the real deal.

Hobbs and Gray getting cooked?

What is our pressure rate?
 

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What a waste of talent.

CJ and the Offense are the real deal.

Hobbs and Gray getting cooked?

What is our pressure rate?
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