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Don Jr isn’t the president just like Hunter wasn’t President….
 

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First, I did acknowledge the attacks you mentioned but fact is they don't pale in comparison to the ones committed by extreme Islamists. I would also question how many of those attacks done by Christians were done in the name of Christ versus the ones where the Islamists were screaming alluha akbar. Again...come knock on my door when Sister Mary Jane has a suicide vest go off in Pakistan or Father Jim shoots up a gay nightclub killing 50 people. I will eat all the crow.

On the Don Jr thing...I'm not gonna sit here and agree with or defend everything every person named Trump says, certainly not one who doesn't hold public office. I'll just use your mindset and focus on what's happening in our country (dozens of terror attacks since 9/11) moreso than what a cult leader says about gay people.
Just say you don't care about Christian extremism then.
 

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More people die from inadequate health care in America thanks to the two main political parties than al-Qaeda could have ever dreamed of killing. The biggest threat to America is itself and its flaws. Some loser running over people in New Orleans or a shooting from 10 years ago is nothing compared to United Healthcare or Anthem.
1) This is a loser mentality, and completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

2) No one in America is denied healthcare. We can have arguments for weeks about the financing of healthcare, but no one is denied care. Not even people here illegally.

3) The biggest killer in the US is heart disease, which comes down to diet, exercise, and sometimes genetics. US politicians aren't killing Americans.
 

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Just say you don't care about Christian extremism then.
Both are bad, but my stance is the probability points to one over the other both in number of events and number of people killed.

In column A make a list of all the terror attacks committed by Christian extremists in the US since 2001. In column B make a list of all the terror attacks committed by Muslim extremists in the US since 2001. Include those killed if you really wanna dive into it. Then you might realize why people have some level of concern. It's not living in fear, it's recognizing the reality of modern day bad guys (and girls).
 

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Both are bad, but my stance is the probability points to one over the other both in number of events and number of people killed.

In column A make a list of all the terror attacks committed by Christian extremists in the US since 2001. In column B make a list of all the terror attacks committed by Muslim extremists in the US since 2001. Include those killed if you really wanna dive into it. Then you might realize why people have some level of concern. It's not living in fear, it's recognizing the reality of modern day bad guys (and girls).
Here's 3 events from a quick Google search. All since 2018. For a total 54 deaths. I'm willing to bet the probability doesn't point quite the way you think it does. Just based upon actual population numbers and how people identify religious in this country.

 

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Here's 3 events from a quick Google search. All since 2018. For a total 54 deaths. I'm willing to bet the probability doesn't point quite the way you think it does. Just based upon actual population numbers and how people identify religious in this country.

What Christian churches did these fellas attend?
 

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Religious fanatics of all stripes are bad.

Brandishing an entire religion over it's most radical members is insane. You get into really dehumanizing thoughts when you do that. Not saying people here are radicals, but if you normalize the "Muslims have a significant portion that want to kill people or enact sharia law" you're going to have radicals take that as their call to action.
 

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Here's 3 events from a quick Google search. All since 2018. For a total 54 deaths. I'm willing to bet the probability doesn't point quite the way you think it does. Just based upon actual population numbers and how people identify religious in this country.

All notable events but you forgot about column B. The Orlando nightclub shooting, which I'm shocked you don't even acknowledge or mention, killed 49.
 

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All notable events but you forgot about column B. The Orlando nightclub shooting, which I'm shocked you don't even acknowledge or mention, killed 49.
Because even tho it was a gay club they determined he didn't choose it as his target because of that. He choose it because he wanted the most casualties
 

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Because even tho it was a gay club they determined he didn't choose it as his target because of that. He choose it because he wanted the most casualties

Here's 3 events from a quick Google search. All since 2018. For a total 54 deaths. I'm willing to bet the probability doesn't point quite the way you think it does. Just based upon actual population numbers and how people identify religious in this country.

What Christian church did these guys attend?
 

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Anyone have an idea why this group would pick a Cathedral to pray in front of? Can't be a coincidence.

 

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Because even tho it was a gay club they determined he didn't choose it as his target because of that. He choose it because he wanted the most casualties
Really hard to arrive at that conclusion without hearing from the guy. Police killed him before he could talk. People can speculate for years but trial witnesses say he "became angry" the day of the shooting when he saw a gay couple kissing outside a restaurant.

And when he was talking to hostage negotiators, he said he was doing this in retaliation for US bombings on ISIS.
 

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Still waiting on column B.
You already provided that for us.
Really hard to arrive at that conclusion without hearing from the guy. Police killed him before he could talk. People can speculate for years but trial witnesses say he "became angry" the day of the shooting when he saw a gay couple kissing outside a restaurant.

And when he was talking to hostage negotiators, he said he was doing this in retaliation for US bombings on ISIS.


Again the point of the conversation was never to say one group is better or worse than the other. It has always been about religious extremism being bad regardless of the religion. And that only one really has the power politically to wield any power.
 
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