Russia Invades Ukraine

[calvegas04]

The new Pope supports Ukraine

 

[drayer54]

The new Pope supports Ukraine

Deep dish communion

 

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[ulukinatme]

Hit 'em hard!

 

[Irish#1]

Given the time difference, it should have happened by now, but no one is reporting anything.

 

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[ulukinatme]

The washing machine must have been the spoils of war, most Russian households still use models from the 60s.

 

[calvegas04]

US missiles raining down in russia, wild footage

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[Irish#1]

Putin decided to skip the talks and also didn't send his Secretary of State or whatever they call them. U.S. not happy.

In a haze of confusion, Ukraine and Russia finally hold direct talks after false start

Before the talks even began, President Donald Trump predicted there would be no progress unless he and Russian President Vladimir Putin were involved.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[calvegas04]

Putin decided to skip the talks and also didn't send his Secretary of State or whatever they call them. U.S. not happy.

In a haze of confusion, Ukraine and Russia finally hold direct talks after false start

Before the talks even began, President Donald Trump predicted there would be no progress unless he and Russian President Vladimir Putin were involved.

www.nbcnews.com

Yes we do nothing, time to start arming Ukraine again so they can defend themselves

 

[NorthDakota]

Yes we do nothing, time to start arming Ukraine again so they can defend themselves

We have been doing that for years.

 

[calvegas04]

We have been doing that for years.

Dragging our feet and not giving enough at a time. Spoon feeding support doesn't work

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yes we do nothing, time to start arming Ukraine again so they can defend themselves

We have been doing that for years.

Yes, but Trump did pause any military aid. So the question is, should we remove the pause?

 

[ulukinatme]

Going on the offensive is the right call I think. Playing defense hasn't gotten them anywhere as far as ending this conflict, Putin seems happy to play it slow and bleed us dry. At this point they should just call Putin's bluff and accept Ukraine as a full member, since he didn't keep his promise not to attack Ukraine if they weren't accepted. If North Korea has been getting directly involved, Europe needs to stand up and do the same.

 

[NorthDakota]

Yes, but Trump did pause any military aid. So the question is, should we remove the pause?

He paused it for like a week to remind them who the boss is.

 

[NorthDakota]

Going on the offensive is the right call I think. Playing defense hasn't gotten them anywhere as far as ending this conflict, Putin seems happy to play it slow and bleed us dry. At this point they should just call Putin's bluff and accept Ukraine as a full member, since he didn't keep his promise not to attack Ukraine if they weren't accepted. If North Korea has been getting directly involved, Europe needs to stand up and do the same.

Accept them as a full member of what?

I dont think there is nearly the support for getting deeper involved that people perceive. A European Peacekeeping Force in Ukraine Won’t Work

if Europeans cant cobble together 25k troops as a tripwire force *after* a ceasefire, I can't imagine they'll be getting directly involved before a ceasefire.

There is also some real questions about European militaries themselves. Germany's defense department says they have munitions to fight for a matter of days. Not weeks. Not months. Days.
Germany’s armed forces have ‘two days’ of ammunition.

The German Army has about 300 tanks. Less than 10% of what they had when the wall fell down.

The UK claims to have like 220 tanks. 19FortyFive says the number that are actually operable may be as low as 25. (I have no idea of 19FortyFive is reliable).

All the kicking and screaming from the Europeans about America abandoning them seems like an awful lot of projection in light of this euronews article.

Could Europe soon see the return of military conscription?

tl;dr - we aren't sending our kids to die for Ukraine. Doesn't look like the Europeans would even if they could.

 

[Irish#1]

It’s time to shit or get off the pot. This has drug out too long. Neither side has an advantage or really gained anything. It’s just costing more lives and money.

 

[calvegas04]

Ukraine is making 400k drones a month, russia is going to pay a high high price for each meter they advance

 

[NorthDakota]

Ukraine is making 400k drones a month, russia is going to pay a high high price for each meter they advance

Ukraine Drone Production Tops 2.5 Million a Year.

I think thats their goal, not actual production, at least per their own propaganda.

 

[calvegas04]

Ukraine Drone Production Tops 2.5 Million a Year.

I think thats their goal, not actual production, at least per their own propaganda.

This one facility alone is making 4000 a day

 

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[NorthDakota]

Assuming both sets of numbers are accurate...Ukraine's problem is substantially worse. This article is six months old.

Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine's forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia

 

[calvegas04]

Assuming both sets of numbers are accurate...Ukraine's problem is substantially worse. This article is six months old.

Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine's forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia

much much worse in russia, they don't want to be in Ukraine dying i the 10's of thousands each month

 

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[NorthDakota]

much much worse in russia, they don't want to be in Ukraine dying i the 10's of thousands each month

How is it much much worse in Russia if the numbers are less than half?

 

[calvegas04]

How is it much much worse in Russia if the numbers are less than half?

That's just what's reported, real number is more likely 3 or 4 times higher

 

[RDU Irish]

That's just what's reported, real number is more likely 3 or 4 times higher

why not 10x - go big or go home.

Former Ukrainian politician living abroad shot dead on school run
Dissent be damned

 

[NorthDakota]

That's just what's reported, real number is more likely 3 or 4 times higher

Lol that doesn't really mean anything.

100k was just what was reported (in November), the real number is more likely 3 or 4 times higher.

Do you see how this works?

 

[calvegas04]

why not 10x - go big or go home.

Former Ukrainian politician living abroad shot dead on school run
Dissent be damned

Russian asset shot dead, he won't be missed outside of Moscow