Police State USA

[Sea Turtle]

Sad and unacceptable. Training has to be better, but I also want to know where his caretakers were in all this? Some neighbor calls in that a drunk guy is wielding a knife? Shouldn't a caretaker been able to let someone know he's autistic and bullets were unnecessary? A tazer could definitely been implemented first. We've seen this happen before, reminds me of the boy sitting in the road that got shot, although that was far worse because I don't even think he had a weapon or was aggressive.

Also, the family didn't speak English so the police officers have no idea what they are yelling. Just a terrible situation.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Also, the family didn't speak English

Basis for this?...one story mentioned the 911 caller saying something that he wasn't sure if they were speaking English..but I haven't seen anything that the family isn't bilingual. The sister and aunt have been giving statements to the AP. The aunt was interview by local TV and was speaking English.

I haven't seen an interview with the sister who was in the yard with the victim, but she was quoted in a story as well and they didn't mention an interpreter.

 

[calvegas04]

I'm a big supporter of the police, but they need better trigger discipline. See videos of police in Europe often disarming people with knifes and swords without drawing their firearms.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Basis for this?...one story mentioned the 911 caller saying something that he wasn't sure if they were speaking English..but I haven't seen anything that the family isn't bilingual. The sister and aunt have been giving statements to the AP. The aunt was interview by local TV and was speaking English.

I haven't seen an interview with the sister who was in the yard with the victim, but she was quoted in a story as well and they didn't mention an interpreter.

The 911 caller said they weren't speaking English. But you're right, that doesn't mean they couldn't. I wasn't able to hear any voices from the family in the video.

The police were responding to a call about a young, possibly drunk man chasing a couple around their yard with a knife. This is why they exited their vehicle guns drawn. That obviously sounds very serious.

But it still shouldn't have happened. Just awful.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

But it still shouldn't have happened

Typical police state bullshit.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Sad update to the story. I have family who have been cops and I'm not a refund the police person, but we have to come up with better training programs for police officers and do more to hold the bad ones accountable so things like this doesn't happen

Intellectually disabled teen shot by Idaho police dies after being removed from life support

Relatives say an autistic and nonverbal teenage boy who was shot by Idaho police from the other side of a chain-link fence while holding a knife has died.

apnews.com

 

[GATTACA!]

 

[Bishop2b5]

Prosecutor says Middletown police officer who fatally shot armed man won’t face criminal charges

The fatal shooting happened Christmas Eve 2024.

www.fox19.com

Cops are going to shoot you every time when you point a gun at them. They were responding to a domestic violence report, identified themselves, and the man opened the door with a gun in his hand pointed at them. They did exactly what they're supposed to do and trained to do.

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh shit! I never heard about this. We used to live 3 minutes from the Olde Towne Apartments before we built our new house. Had to get out of Middletown, it's not a nice place and only got worse over the 10 years we lived there. All those houses were brand new surrounding Maple Park where we used to live, a school used to be there and was torn down. The rest of the neighborhood was pretty old and run down, and the further south you went the more drugs and violence you'd run into. Huge opioid problem there. On two occasions I'd be in line at the McDonalds on Verity in Middletown and drivers + passengers would be strung out in the queue, employees banging on their windows but they're passed out and unresponsive in the car. Needless to say, the straw that broke the camel's back was a bunch of kids drove down Webber one night during 4th of July week and they randomly shot at houses on our road. Our neighbor had a bullet lodged in their front porch post. Our AC got hit, bullet went right through it, through the siding, through my pantry, couldn't find it though. It was time to GTFO of that shithole.

 

[Irish#1]

Oh shit! I never heard about this. We used to live 3 minutes from the Olde Towne Apartments before we built our new house. Had to get out of Middletown, it's not a nice place and only got worse over the 10 years we lived there. All those houses were brand new surrounding Maple Park where we used to live, a school used to be there and was torn down. The rest of the neighborhood was pretty old and run down, and the further south you went the more drugs and violence you'd run into. Huge opioid problem there. On two occasions I'd be in line at the McDonalds on Verity in Middletown and drivers + passengers would be strung out in the queue, employees banging on their windows but they're passed out and unresponsive in the car. Needless to say, the straw that broke the camel's back was a bunch of kids drove down Webber one night during 4th of July week and they randomly shot at houses on our road. Our neighbor had a bullet lodged in their front porch post. Our AC got hit, bullet went right through it, through the siding, through my pantry, couldn't find it though. It was time to GTFO of that shithole.

Wow, you are lucky no one got hit. I'd move as well.

 

[Irish#1]

Prosecutor says Middletown police officer who fatally shot armed man won’t face criminal charges

The fatal shooting happened Christmas Eve 2024.

www.fox19.com

Cops are going to shoot you every time when you point a gun at them. They were responding to a domestic violence report, identified themselves, and the man opened the door with a gun in his hand pointed at them. They did exactly what they're supposed to do and trained to do.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it didn't look like he had raised his gun enough to me. Could the policeman have ordered him to drop the weapon before firing? I'm a big police supporter, but it just looked like he could have waited a second longer.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Hard to tell for certain from the video, but it looked like it was raised enough to be aimed almost directly at the officers. If you're holding a weapon pointed down, they can afford to give you a warning. If it's pointed in your general direction, they're trained to shoot.

 

[Tejas]

Cops go 0-100 over little shit, you have to treat them like a dangerous dog. Don't answer the door if you aren't expecting company, don't ever answer the door for the police. And absolutely do not fling the door all the way open if you're holding a weapon. That was not a smart way to answer the door. Why open the door at all?

Looks like he opened the door holding the gun pointed at the officers and then lowered it. Probably not thinking anything of it, being nonchalant.

I also don't like how the cops hide out of the way.

 

[Irish#1]

Cops go 0-100 over little shit, you have to treat them like a dangerous dog. Don't answer the door if you aren't expecting company, don't ever answer the door for the police. And absolutely do not fling the door all the way open if you're holding a weapon. That was not a smart way to answer the door. Why open the door at all?

Looks like he opened the door holding the gun pointed at the officers and then lowered it. Probably not thinking anything of it, being nonchalant.

I also don't like how the cops hide out of the way.

I don’t have a problem with that. They announced themselves. Why should they stand in harms way? Why answer the door with a gun in your hand? He could have called 911 to verify it was the police and not an imposter at the door.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don’t have a problem with that. They announced themselves. Why should they stand in harms way? Why answer the door with a gun in your hand? He could have called 911 to verify it was the police and not an imposter at the door.

Yeah, that's where I'm at. That whole area is pretty shitty from my first hand experience, we didn't go over there. If you answer the door with a gun in your hand after the police have announced themselves, you're asking for trouble.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Strengthening and Unleashing America's Law Enforcement to Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Citizens

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

One step closer to a police state

 

[drayer54]

Strengthening and Unleashing America's Law Enforcement to Pursue Criminals and Protect Innocent Citizens

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:Section 1. Purpose and

www.whitehouse.gov

One step closer to a police state

I think the demonization of police since really Ferguson has changed that. Police have been defended and held back for years. I'm all for letting them do their jobs. I have an acquaintance at the FBI who said the Merrick Garland days of catch and release criminals is over.
However, this part of Trumps order doesn't ever fly with me. I don't want cops in tanks.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think the demonization of police since really Ferguson has changed that. Police have been defended and held back for years. I'm all for letting them do their jobs. I have an acquaintance at the FBI who said the Merrick Garland days of catch and release criminals is over.
However, this part of Trumps order doesn't every fly with me. I don't want cops in tanks.

I'm all for supporting the police, but as I've stated we need more accountability. But this isn't that at all. This is militarizing the police, this is not good in the slightest

 

[calvegas04]

I think the demonization of police since really Ferguson has changed that. Police have been defended and held back for years. I'm all for letting them do their jobs. I have an acquaintance at the FBI who said the Merrick Garland days of catch and release criminals is over.
However, this part of Trumps order doesn't ever fly with me. I don't want cops in tanks.

That sounds a bit scary, why does the military need to get involved with law enforcement? First getting judges arrested now this? I'm all for backing the police and stricter sentencing but not this.

 

[NDVirginia19]

That sounds a bit scary, why does the military need to get involved with law enforcement? First getting judges arrested now this? I'm all for backing the police and stricter sentencing but not this.

I think it would be using rated military police (MPs for Army and Marines, MAs for Navy, SF for Airforce) to help out in jurisdictions that have undermanned police departments. I’m not in favor of this but it’s not like the proposal is going to be for infantry MOSes to be patrolling New York City. I just don’t think the excess manpower of resident in the DOD to support it. Every base I’ve ever been on has had local Law Enforcement assisting in gate duty in some capacity

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think it would be using rated military police (MPs for Army and Marines, MAs for Navy, SF for Airforce) to help out in jurisdictions that have undermanned police departments. I’m not in favor of this but it’s not like the proposal is going to be for infantry MOSes to be patrolling New York City. I just don’t think the excess manpower of resident in the DOD to support it. Every base I’ve ever been on has had local Law Enforcement assisting in gate duty in some capacity

Virginia you're smart enough to know that our military has never been used in this way before and that we have specific laws against it. This is a troubling thing

 

[NDVirginia19]

Virginia you're smart enough to know that our military has never been used in this way before and that we have specific laws against it. This is a troubling thing

Im Against it for sure, but it’s inaccurate to suggest that the US military has never been used in a constabulary function inside the US. There are dozens and dozens of examples of the US Military being used to enforce federal law or restore civil order inside of the US (Desegregation, Reconstruction, various examples of urban riots and other civil unrest).

While there are limitations on the extent of domestic law enforcement AD military members can conduct, there are other functions that police conduct that don’t necessarily rise to the level of law enforcement where extra bodies from a military police unit could assist to free up policing manpower to actually make arrests and such.

I think it’s a bad idea and a waste of military manpower, but not completely beyond the scope of historical precedent or crossing the rubicon. I just think that there are plenty of good reasons to be against this without going to hyperbole

 

[GATTACA!]

I think it would be using rated military police (MPs for Army and Marines, MAs for Navy, SF for Airforce) to help out in jurisdictions that have undermanned police departments. I’m not in favor of this but it’s not like the proposal is going to be for infantry MOSes to be patrolling New York City. I just don’t think the excess manpower of resident in the DOD to support it. Every base I’ve ever been on has had local Law Enforcement assisting in gate duty in some capacity

Of course not because the slippery slope rubric is never applied to republican agendas.

 

[drayer54]

That sounds a bit scary, why does the military need to get involved with law enforcement? First getting judges arrested now this? I'm all for backing the police and stricter sentencing but not this.

Well, when judge commits a crime, they deserve to be arrested. Reminder that nobody is above the law.

I read it as to transferring military equipment to police forces. No image better than this one-

 

[NDVirginia19]

Of course not because the slippery slope rubric is never applied to republican agendas.

lol fair enough.

I mean I think it is completely appropriate for the military (NG) to step in in concert with law enforcement for things like the Minneapolis BLM riots and J6. I don’t think it’s appropriate for day to day stuff like this might be proposing (it’s pretty vague on what their role would be) but I don’t see it being as bad as many might think.

 

[Irish#1]

That sounds a bit scary, why does the military need to get involved with law enforcement? First getting judges arrested now this? I'm all for backing the police and stricter sentencing but not this.

Why are judges above the law? They have immunity from their rulings, but they aren't immune from criminal activities they partake in.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

lol fair enough.

I mean I think it is completely appropriate for the military (NG) to step in in concert with law enforcement for things like the Minneapolis BLM riots and J6. I don’t think it’s appropriate for day to day stuff like this might be proposing (it’s pretty vague on what their role would be) but I don’t see it being as bad as many might think.

The national guard should be used in those types of situations. But this goes way further than that. We are now going to have the national government dictating policing policies at the local level.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Well, when judge commits a crime, they deserve to be arrested. Reminder that nobody is above the law.

I read it as to transferring military equipment to police forces. No image better than this one-

How'd you find a picture of my dad?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

(it’s pretty vague on what their role would be)

That seems like a pretty big fucking issue.

If any Dem. president did this, the board would (rightfully) explode...but Trump does it (with little clarity) and it's all "wait and see".

 

[drayer54]

The national guard should be used in those types of situations. But this goes way further than that. We are now going to have the national government dictating policing policies at the local level.

I think that's a dramatic view.