'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

[Cackalacky2.0]

Rizz

You are sus bruv. Sigma

 

[NDpendent]

It's pretty crazy that this kid is going to break all Ian Books records in two years. Absolutely insane

 

[irishu]

Book used to make girls wash their feet in his sink in Keough before getting into bed with him. Not sure that’s a record Carr will touch

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Book used to make girls wash their feet in his sink in Keough before getting into bed with him. Not sure that’s a record Carr will touch

Mercke, confirm?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

It's pretty crazy that this kid is going to break all Ian Books records in two years. Absolutely insane

Including games played? Deep playoff runs confirmed.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's pretty crazy that this kid is going to break all Ian Books records in two years. Absolutely insane

Watch it, Beano! Don't jinx the kid before he's taken a game snap!

 

[ND87]

Dunno...kid looks like Tommy ...if he'd have been able to grow a beard.

 

[ulukinatme]

Dunno...kid looks like Tommy ...if he'd have been able to grow a beard.

Behold and be saved!

 

[Irish4life]

 

[rtrn2glory]

But what's the new guy have to say? He was not a 5*....

 

[NDFAN2008]

I think you have to name him the starter it might come with some growing pains by by middle of season he could be a top 10 QB in college football. Angeli is the safe choice but if you name him the starter Carr might bounce. Angeli I think is good enough to win but you will have growing pains with him as well he takes a lot of sacks too.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Carr isn’t going to bounce if Steve is named the starter. Now if Kenny wins the job…

 

[ab2cmiller]

I have faith that Angeli could lead this team to the playoffs next year.

Generally speaking, if you got two guys that are relatively equal, you go with the guy who is younger and has more upside 9/10 times. That's even the case if you would rank the older kid slightly higher. Only way Angeli gets the nod is if he has clearly separated himself from the field. Skeptical that will happen.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I have faith that Angeli could lead this team to the playoffs next year.

Generally speaking, if you got two guys that are relatively equal, you go with the guy who is younger and has more upside 9/10 times. That's even the case if you would rank the older kid slightly higher. Only way Angeli gets the nod is if he has clearly separated himself from the field. Skeptical that will happen.

Angeli's biggest issue is that he his pressure percentage indicates that he would take way, way, WAY too many sacks.

I don't think we realize how lucky we were with Riley Leonard avoiding negative plays/sacks towards the end of the season, especially in the playoffs. Even in his limited action in the PSU game, it was noticeable how much little presence/pocket feel Angeli has back there. I think he was sacked twice in five drop backs, including one fumble. And it's been a trend in his other spot duties as well.

If he doesn't clean that up, and it's doubtful he will, there's just no chance he starts next year.

 

[Plankton]

Angeli's biggest issue is that he his pressure percentage indicates that he would take way, way, WAY too many sacks.

I don't think we realize how lucky we were with Riley Leonard avoiding negative plays/sacks towards the end of the season, especially in the playoffs. Even in his limited action in the PSU game, it was noticeable how much little presence/pocket feel Angeli has back there. I think he was sacked twice in five drop backs, including one fumble. And it's been a trend in his other spot duties as well.

If he doesn't clean that up, and it's doubtful he will, there's just no chance he starts next year.

Angeli needs to speed up his processing. If he can do that, he can be a very good to excellent college QB. He throws a very catchable ball, is accurate, and can make most throws. But, it will boil down to how well he can read a defense pre-snap, and then process that in his drop.

 

[IAIrish]

Angeli's biggest issue is that he his pressure percentage indicates that he would take way, way, WAY too many sacks.

I don't think we realize how lucky we were with Riley Leonard avoiding negative plays/sacks towards the end of the season, especially in the playoffs. Even in his limited action in the PSU game, it was noticeable how much little presence/pocket feel Angeli has back there. I think he was sacked twice in five drop backs, including one fumble. And it's been a trend in his other spot duties as well.

If he doesn't clean that up, and it's doubtful he will, there's just no chance he starts next year.

Well said, that's where I'm at. I'm sure his pocket presence improves with more reps, but it would need to be substantial.

Then you factor in injury chances of taking those shots and turnovers from taking blindside shots like we saw in the semifinal .

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

It’s easy for teams to tee off on a backup quarterback in mop up duty.
How many sacks did Steve give up when he started a game? I’m sure it wasn’t very many.

 

[Katzenboyer]

It’s easy for teams to tee off on a backup quarterback in mop up duty.
How many sacks did Steve give up when he started a game? I’m sure it wasn’t very many.

1. Angeli's pressure/sack rate, if I recall correctly, was something like 27% in games played in 2024. Meaning he takes a sack every four times he faces pressure. For comparison's sake, Riley Leonard's pressure rate for 2024 was 12%.

Even looking at the larger picture, Angeli was sacked 5 times in 2024 on 36 pass attempts - meaning he was sacked every 7.2 times he dropped back to pass. Riley Leonard took a sack every 20.5 times he dropped back.

2. We're not talking about mop up duty. When he played against Penn State, he had seven drop backs, and he was sacked on two of them. One of those resulted in a fumble that we were lucky to hang onto, based solely on a head's up play by Schrauth. Imagine going into half down 10-0, rather than 10-3. Those 3 points were important, no?

This is not some outlier; it's a problem with Angeli, and one that most likely keeps him from the starting job.

 

[Irish du Nord]

1. Angeli's pressure/sack rate, if I recall correctly, was something like 27% in games played in 2024. Meaning he takes a sack every four times he faces pressure. For comparison's sake, Riley Leonard's pressure rate for 2024 was 12%.

Even looking at the larger picture, Angeli was sacked 5 times in 2024 on 36 pass attempts - meaning he was sacked every 7.2 times he dropped back to pass. Riley Leonard took a sack every 20.5 times he dropped back.

2. We're not talking about mop up duty. When he played against Penn State, he had seven drop backs, and he was sacked on two of them. One of those resulted in a fumble that we were lucky to hang onto, based solely on a head's up play by Schrauth. Imagine going into half down 10-0, rather than 10-3. Those 3 points were important, no?

This is not some outlier; it's a problem with Angeli, and one that most likely keeps him from the starting job.

Worth noting that Leonard's was elite and Angeli's, while bad, wasn't far off from a group of really successful QBs (see below). It's tough to say how much of a problem his pocket presence is based on garbage time stats, but I imagine if it is an issue we would know very early into the Miami game.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Worth noting that Leonard's was elite and Angeli's, while bad, wasn't far off from a group of really successful QBs (see below). It's tough to say how much of a problem his pocket presence is based on garbage time stats, but I imagine if it is an issue we would know very early into the Miami game.

Good stuff. And your point is a good one.

Only thing I'd say (and what my concern is about Angeli) is that his numbers are high based on a limited number of snaps as compared to the guys indicated on that tweet; and I would expect his numbers to rise with considerably more snaps being added to his plate, as opposed to dropping if he got consistent playing time.

Still, a good comparison to reference with regard to the issue.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

1. Angeli's pressure/sack rate, if I recall correctly, was something like 27% in games played in 2024. Meaning he takes a sack every four times he faces pressure. For comparison's sake, Riley Leonard's pressure rate for 2024 was 12%.

Even looking at the larger picture, Angeli was sacked 5 times in 2024 on 36 pass attempts - meaning he was sacked every 7.2 times he dropped back to pass. Riley Leonard took a sack every 20.5 times he dropped back.

2. We're not talking about mop up duty. When he played against Penn State, he had seven drop backs, and he was sacked on two of them. One of those resulted in a fumble that we were lucky to hang onto, based solely on a head's up play by Schrauth. Imagine going into half down 10-0, rather than 10-3. Those 3 points were important, no?

This is not some outlier; it's a problem with Angeli, and one that most likely keeps him from the starting job.

OK, now how many sacks did he give up when he started?

 

[ACamp1900]

Rizz

Yes?? Can I help you?

 

[jprue24]

I don't think we realize how lucky we were with Riley Leonard avoiding negative plays/sacks towards the end of the season, especially in the playoffs. Even in his limited action in the PSU game, it was noticeable how much little presence/pocket feel Angeli has back there. I think he was sacked twice in five drop backs, including one fumble. And it's been a trend in his other spot duties as well.

This is pretty harsh on angeli. That last sack was a bad snap and abdul carter was on him immediately

 

[NorthDakota]

Good stuff. And your point is a good one.

Only thing I'd say (and what my concern is about Angeli) is that his numbers are high based on a limited number of snaps as compared to the guys indicated on that tweet; and I would expect his numbers to rise with considerably more snaps being added to his plate, as opposed to dropping if he got consistent playing time.

Still, a good comparison to reference with regard to the issue.

I mean Angeli has never been a starter. You are asking (at least in Penn State) for a guy with extremely limited reps to walk into a situation before halftime where PSU could pin their ears back and tee off.

I thought his appearance was beyond admirable. I can't imagine just walking into the biggest game in my life against a very good defense and getting the team points.

 

[stlnd01]

I mean Angeli has never been a starter. You are asking (at least in Penn State) for a guy with extremely limited reps to walk into a situation before halftime where PSU could pin their ears back and tee off.

I thought his appearance was beyond admirable. I can't imagine just walking into the biggest game in my life against a very good defense and getting the team points.

Angeli has been great at what we have asked him to do, jumping into the Penn State game, handling that Oregon State bowl game the year before, etc. Nothing but respect for him and I'm glad he's on our team.
But if I want to win a national championship I'm giving first crack to the guy who everyone seems to think has phenomenal talent and upside like no quarterback we've had in years (and finding a way to keep Angeli on the team if we need him).

 

[allenm5333]

Angeli has been great at what we have asked him to do, jumping into the Penn State game, handling that Oregon State bowl game the year before, etc. Nothing but respect for him and I'm glad he's on our team.
But if I want to win a national championship I'm giving first crack to the guy who everyone seems to think has phenomenal talent and upside like no quarterback we've had in years (and finding a way to keep Angeli on the team if we need him).

When it comes down to it, i just think Carr will be able to do everything and more that Angeli can do by week ten

 

[Chicago Domer]

When it comes down to it, i just think Carr will be able to do everything and more that Angeli can do by week ten

Le’s not make Carr the savior. We haven’t seen anything of him yet. I’m hopeful, but I’m in wait and see mode.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I mean Angeli has never been a starter. You are asking (at least in Penn State) for a guy with extremely limited reps to walk into a situation before halftime where PSU could pin their ears back and tee off.

I thought his appearance was beyond admirable. I can't imagine just walking into the biggest game in my life against a very good defense and getting the team points.

No one is saying that Angeli's performance wasn't admirable in the PSU game. I really, really like Angeli.

But the pressure rate stuff is a huge warning sign. He takes far too many pressures, and they're usually of his own doing. The advanced stats show that he would most likely take far too many sacks to be an effective QB for a team with playoff aspirations.

I love the kid and really hope he can prove me wrong, or he goes somewhere else and does well. I'm just of the opinion that we aren't making any noise in January if he's our QB next year.

 

[Katzenboyer]

This is pretty harsh on angeli. That last sack was a bad snap and abdul carter was on him immediately

Just to circle back to this - Angeli was sacked 5 times on 43 dropbacks last year, and sacked 31% of the time when he was pressured. That would have been the third worst percentage out of any P4 QB last year.

This isn't a one time issue; it's plagued Angeli throughout his playing time at ND.

 

[Dale]

It’s easy for teams to tee off on a backup quarterback in mop up duty.
How many sacks did Steve give up when he started a game? I’m sure it wasn’t very many.

OK, now how many sacks did he give up when he started?

He was only pressured 4 times in the Sun Bowl.

Sacked twice. Not ideal.

Pressure to Sack is surprisingly sticky statistic, it tends to hold throughout one’s college into NFL career even. You don’t just “get better” at it by a meaningful amount usually.