Trump Presidency Round 2

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NDVirginia19 said:
Pretty sure that’s just a random crazy ass person adding conspiracy in the attempted assassination of Trump into their already crazy ass criminal charge against Shapiro. But it is probably true that Shapiro covered up the murder of a Pennsylvania woman that was ruled as a suicide to protect the son of a democrat megadonor
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Good orator, moderate politics, and legitimate questions about their past??? That’s the Dem establishment wet dream.
 
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IrishLax said:
No it’s because I’m not some smooth brained cheerleader who is beholden to one side or another. It’s also why I’m able to say obviously correct things like “Gaetz is obviously a poor pick for AG” and “Bondi is qualified.” Meanwhile, some of you all act like Catturd and waffle with whichever way the wind is blowing.

Patel is a loon with conflicts of interest and other red flags. There are many people more qualified, that’s an objective fact.

RFK Jr. is at best a retread Geyneth Paltrow and at worst he’s an actual quack who is going to get people killed.

Tulsi Gabbard … call me old fashioned, but I would prefer my enemies not being endorsing my intelligence chief. She’s at least enough of a wildcard though where you can say she is qualified and has some perceptible upside.
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You just called Kash a loon? Nah he’s just not a pussy and will call out the corrupt powers that be. That’s the difference between him and you.
 
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TorontoGold said:
Good orator, moderate politics, and legitimate questions about their past??? That’s the Dem establishment wet dream.
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He really should have been the pick for VP. Only reason he wasn't was because they were afraid he would outshine Kamla (valid) and that he was Jewish lol. Hell, Mark Kelly would have been a much better pick.

Also completely plausible that he turned it down because he knew it was a losing battle, and the loser VP really has no future in executive branch politics.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
He really should have been the pick for VP. Only reason he wasn't was because they were afraid he would outshine Kamla (valid) and that he was Jewish lol. Hell, Mark Kelly would have been a much better pick.

Also completely plausible that he turned it down because he knew it was a losing battle, and the loser VP really has no future in executive branch politics.
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Shapiro’s former Israeli politics are not exactly tenable positions to have if you’re supposed to be the nominee from the “Left”.

Having a progressive guy and then cutting his legs off and having him be this limp dick moderate really worked wonders. I’m sure they learned their lesson! 2028 Michael Bloomberg and Liz Cheney! Do you hate the rich corporate elites? Do you hate Bush era republicans? Vote Dem in 2028!
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
He really should have been the pick for VP. Only reason he wasn't was because they were afraid he would outshine Kamla (valid) and that he was Jewish lol. Hell, Mark Kelly would have been a much better pick.

Also completely plausible that he turned it down because he knew it was a losing battle, and the loser VP really has no future in executive branch politics.
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Should have just told the Palestine supporters to piss off from the start. They kept taking moderate positions on Israel to keep them happy and they ended up boycotting and not voting for Kamala anyways.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Should have just told the Palestine supporters to piss off from the start. They kept taking moderate positions on Israel to keep them happy and they ended up boycotting and not voting for Kamala anyways.
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This is what usually happens when anyone takes a position based on appeasing voters instead of doing what's right, regardless of the political fallout. People can respect a position they disagree with if it's sincere. They're not often persuaded by false pandering.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Should have just told the Palestine supporters to piss off from the start. They kept taking moderate positions on Israel to keep them happy and they ended up boycotting and not voting for Kamala anyways.
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Yeah, he was a more sensible pick and could have helped deliver battleground Pennsylvania. Minnesota wasn't really a threat of flipping, and Walz didn't bring much to the table. They tried to paint him as an old timey football coach to appeal to men or something, didn't really work. Word was that they backed off Shapiro because of all the college protests and they were afraid of losing the youth movement. Virginia makes a good point though, maybe Shapiro saw a sinking ship with Kamala and decided it was best not to jeopardize his political future on a gamble.
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
This is what usually happens when anyone takes a position based on appeasing voters instead of doing what's right, regardless of the political fallout. People can respect a position they disagree with if it's sincere. They're not often persuaded by false pandering.
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Of the options I think establishment dems position is what's "right", basically just asking Israel to do better at attempting to limit civilian casualties while looking the other way. But yeah the finger wagging was pointless.
 
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ulukinatme said:
Yeah, he was a more sensible pick and could have helped deliver battleground Pennsylvania. Minnesota wasn't really a threat of flipping, and Walz didn't bring much to the table. They tried to paint him as an old timey football coach to appeal to men or something, didn't really work. Word was that they backed off Shapiro because of all the college protests and they were afraid of losing the youth movement. Virginia makes a good point though, maybe Shapiro saw a sinking ship with Kamala and decided it was best not to jeopardize his political future on a gamble.
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It appeared that none of the big names like Whitmer, Pritzker, Shapiro, or Newsome, wanted to step up to challenge Kamala for the nomination even before Biden's endorsement. It wouldn't surprise me if many declined the VP spot too. You only get so many bites at the apple. Why risk your future aspirations on a 100 day campaign. Lame but understandable I guess from the perspective of career politicians.

Maybe once we add all the Canadian provinces we can steal their shorter election cycles.
 
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GATTACA! said:
It appeared that none of the big names like Whitmer, Pritzker, Shapiro, or Newsome, wanted to step up to challenge Kamala for the nomination even before Biden's endorsement. It wouldn't surprise me if many declined the VP spot too. You only get so many bites at the apple. Why risk your future aspirations on a 100 day campaign. Lame but understandable I guess from the perspective of career politicians.

Maybe once we add all the Canadian provinces we can steal their shorter election cycles.
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I still think the Dems made a mistake running Kamala. I believe that by the time we all saw Joe's disastrous debate and it was clear he couldn't continue, the Dems had almost no chance of winning the election. Joe couldn't win and Kamala was a horrible candidate. I believe the Dems would've been MUCH better off in the long run to write off winning in '24 and use it to set up for '28 with the candidate of the future, a la Reagan in '76.
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
I still think the Dems made a mistake running Kamala. I believe that by the time we all saw Joe's disastrous debate and it was clear he couldn't continue, the Dems had almost no chance of winning the election. Joe couldn't win and Kamala was a horrible candidate. I believe the Dems would've been MUCH better off in the long run to write off winning in '24 and use it to set up for '28 with the candidate of the future, a la Reagan in '76.
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Maybe they knew they couldn't win and that's why they settled for Harris?
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
I still think the Dems made a mistake running Kamala. I believe that by the time we all saw Joe's disastrous debate and it was clear he couldn't continue, the Dems had almost no chance of winning the election. Joe couldn't win and Kamala was a horrible candidate. I believe the Dems would've been MUCH better off in the long run to write off winning in '24 and use it to set up for '28 with the candidate of the future, a la Reagan in '76.
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Absolutely. You're replacing Joe because his numbers are tanking, and were already bad to begin with. How does replacing him with someone from his own administration that can't distance themselves from him and isn't a good candidate in her own right to begin with make any sense?

If all the big names were taking themselves out they should have just ran a young up and comer and prayed they caught lightning in a bottle like Obama.
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Maybe they knew they couldn't win and that's why they settled for Harris?
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Why bother replacing Joe at all then?
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
I still think the Dems made a mistake running Kamala. I believe that by the time we all saw Joe's disastrous debate and it was clear he couldn't continue, the Dems had almost no chance of winning the election. Joe couldn't win and Kamala was a horrible candidate. I believe the Dems would've been MUCH better off in the long run to write off winning in '24 and use it to set up for '28 with the candidate of the future, a la Reagan in '76.
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Running Joe wasn't much better. They probably would have been in a better position if they wrote off '20 instead. Not only did Joe have to follow the pandemic and some of the fallout from that, but the liberals got another 4 years of Trump still occasionally taking over headlines (despite not being in office) with the election rematch in '24 looming. If they let '20 go then Trump is out of office by now and he basically fades into obscurity being unable to actively take part in politics...now they get another 4 years of him. Effectively it'll be 12 years of Trump headlines when all is said and done.

I think the debate definitely put the Democrats in a severe disadvantage, but following the assassination attempt I think their goose was cooked. Trump fist pumping, bloody ear, was a pretty iconic moment of the campaign and it left a memorable image.
 
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Giddyup said:
You just called Kash a loon? Nah he’s just not a pussy and will call out the corrupt powers that be. That’s the difference between him and you.
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You think this guy is well adjusted and normal?


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GATTACA! said:
Absolutely. You're replacing Joe because his numbers are tanking, and were already bad to begin with. How does replacing him with someone from his own administration that can't distance themselves from him and isn't a good candidate in her own right to begin with make any sense?

If all the big names were taking themselves out they should have just ran a young up and comer and prayed they caught lightning in a bottle like Obama.

Why bother replacing Joe at all then?
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My uneducated guess is:
1. They knew for quite a while that Joe wasn't capable and larger questions about his mental state would arise if he happened to win.
2. The DNC never wanted Harris, but by running her (woman of color) they could get rid of her and save face by showing they weren't like the Repubs that want an old white guy.
 
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Tulsi Gabbard confirmed this morning as Director of National Intelligence.
 
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IrishLax said:
You think this guy is well adjusted and normal?


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I was just in DC for 30 days. Most of my contact was with those working under these “types” of people. I also live next a local congressman. Our kids are friends. These people are different and adjusted different… all of them. It takes a very not normal person to have a 100/200k salary and be worth millions and think we nobodies should be able to question them. Even my friend the congressman will shake my hand and ask “what can I do for you”… I’m like bro, shut up and talk to me like a normal person. These people aren’t normal.
 
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