2024 College Football Playoffs

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Why would you want to allow a Cinderella? If your goal is to crown the best team as the national champion, then the emergence of a Cinderella is an even bigger problem than blowouts are.

Football is flukey. NIU beat Notre Dame but nobody thinks they're the better team because the weight of the evidence over the course of the season provided additional data points. A single elimination tournament magnifies the problem of flukes.

Cinderellas in college football are going to be teams who are overlooked, like the old Boise State or TCU teams. The data points in college football are next to meaningless because you play at most a tenth of the available teams all year. Let's say IU beats us and then Georgia and Penn State and Oregon. It shows that the weak schedule shit was wrong and they were a legit team.
 

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Also a true champion should be able to stop fluky results when the games matter the most. Champions shouldn't take games off against IU or SMU.
 

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Yeah everyone ripping into CFP selection... As I said it can be fixed. Why not go to 16 teams, kill the conference championships, rank teams in each conference using similar tie breaker formulas, and then all the committee has to do is add a human eye to the final selection and we're likely to get a better lot of games. And since all see the fun and value of home playoff games on campus, let's make this the standard for first two rounds, and then leave the final 3 games to major bowl sites as it's been until this year. Then the remainder of major bowls and all the minor bowls can host the remaining top teams outside the top 16. Problem fixed!
 

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Yeah everyone ripping into CFP selection... As I said it can be fixed. Why not go to 16 teams, kill the conference championships, rank teams in each conference using similar tie breaker formulas, and then all the committee has to do is add a human eye to the final selection and we're likely to get a better lot of games. And since all see the fun and value of home playoff games on campus, let's make this the standard for first two rounds, and then leave the final 3 games to major bowl sites as it's been until this year. Then the remainder of major bowls and all the minor bowls can host the remaining top teams outside the top 16. Problem fixed!
There aren't even 12 good teams. There sure as hell aren't 16. That would make the problem worse, not better.
 

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Nobody complains about 14 seed Bucknell in the NCAA tournament. This is what we asked for but maybe the expectations were too high for it being competitive… we will see upsets… just not yet.
 

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Yeah everyone ripping into CFP selection... As I said it can be fixed. Why not go to 16 teams, kill the conference championships, rank teams in each conference using similar tie breaker formulas, and then all the committee has to do is add a human eye to the final selection and we're likely to get a better lot of games. And since all see the fun and value of home playoff games on campus, let's make this the standard for first two rounds, and then leave the final 3 games to major bowl sites as it's been until this year. Then the remainder of major bowls and all the minor bowls can host the remaining top teams outside the top 16. Problem fixed!
I think stick with 12 but still kill the conference championship games.

Rank everyone using the old BCS formula.

No conference championship games means you can move the playoff start up 1 week.

First two rounds at home.

Semifinals and title game rotate amongst the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange and Cotton Bowls but the Rose always gets a spot because they will throw a tantrum if they don't.
 

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There aren't even 12 good teams. There sure as hell aren't 16. That would make the problem worse, not better.
Maybe, who knows. I also wonder if you're in the 13-16 slots, how much NIL/NFL defection you might get like we see for non-CFP teams now. But really, if they change the NIL dates to better align with CFP timelines and maybe come up with academic year exemptions for late-arriving players to new teams, even if you're a team in these lower brackets, there's a chance. I think I disagree anyway because, we could have had Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Miami and/or Colorado added and would be pretty exciting IMO. And although Conference Championships turned out to be some great games, these great games are better served being part of the early rounds of an expanded CFP field. This is exciting, the game is changing, and like it or not, having more (even with 2- and 3-loss games) SEC teams in CFP will make things more competitive. Lastly, imagine all the awesome home playoff games in the first two rounds across college campuses -- EPIC!!
 

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I think stick with 12 but still kill the conference championship games.

Rank everyone using the old BCS formula.

No conference championship games means you can move the playoff start up 1 week.

First two rounds at home.

Semifinals and title game rotate amongst the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange and Cotton Bowls but the Rose always gets a spot because they will throw a tantrum if they don't.


How would moving the games up a week affect finals? it's still college.
 

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I have my ideal, second ideal, and realistic. My ideal is a European soccer style system with 8 10 team conferences in the top tier, last team is relegated the level down and the best in the second move up (about 10 levels down to NAIA), with an 8 team tournament consisting only of the champions. The next is an 18 team tournament where all 10 conference champions (once the new Pac is filled out) get an autobid with 10 at-larges. Then my other is just keep it at 12 but with the byes being the actual top 4 teams and the BCS computers picking them with every round before the final at the home of the better seed. Get rid of bowl games all together.
 

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Go to 16. Byes are too powerful in football. ASUs and Boise’s of the world absolutely don’t deserve it.
Exactly, giving conference byes when the conferences are obviously not equal is just ridiculous. 2 teams getting the top 4 byes were ranked 9th and 12th. Absolutely makes Zero sense!
 

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These beat downs have to make you wonder if the guys saying the better teams were left out aren’t right. I think the 12 team is fun, but I think a straight ranking of the top 12 is a better method.
I think the SEC and BIG can go fuck themselves if they think they should get all the spots. Might as well drop the FBS down to just those 2 conferences than. What’s the point of the regular season if 1 loss teams are going to get left out over 3 loss teams. Maybe the BIG and SEC shouldn’t have gobbled up all the supposedly best teams and then bitch and moan about how hard their conferences are.
 

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I think the SEC and BIG can go fuck themselves if they think they should get all the spots. Might as well drop the FBS down to just those 2 conferences than. What’s the point of the regular season if 1 loss teams are going to get left out over 3 loss teams. Maybe the BIG and SEC shouldn’t have gobbled up all the supposedly best teams and then bitch and moan about how hard their conferences are.
That’s exactly why Big10 Indiana shouldn’t automatically be in for being 11-1. Their schedule was trash. I think we concur. But I also don’t like giving these conferences auto byes. ASU and Boise just sitting back watching and Texas, ND, OSU grinding out games. Boise and ASU should barely be in the playoff and they’re both going to get demolished. Go top 12 or top 14 imo. Seed it based on SoS and ranking models. The little guy will still get in but teams will also get rewarded for tough regular season schedules. Just my opinion.
 
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There will never be more than 8 teams that have even a remote chance of winning the championship. The more teams you add, the more games that are played, more guys get hurt. The champion is likely the team that lost the fewest players..

You want to add more teams, you got to shorten the season and/or ditch the conference championship (which will never happen).

Cap it at eight, no byes.
 

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There will never be more than 8 teams that have even a remote chance of winning the championship. The more teams you add, the more games that are played, more guys get hurt. The champion is likely the team that lost the fewest players..

You want to add more teams, you got to shorten the season and/or ditch the conference championship (which will never happen).

Cap it at eight, no byes.
It won’t happen, but you’re right. Eight teams would be perfect.
 

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That’s exactly why Big10 Indiana shouldn’t automatically be in for being 11-1. Their schedule was trash. I think we concur. But I also don’t like giving these conferences auto byes. ASU and Boise just sitting back watching and Texas, ND, OSU grinding out games. Boise and ASU should barely be in the playoff and they’re both going to get demolished. Go top 12 or top 14 imo. Seed it based on SoS and ranking models. The little guy will still get in but teams will also get rewarded for tough regular season schedules. Just my opinion.
No I 100% believe Indiana should have been in over any of the 3 loss SEC teams. There is no way to fairly calculate SoS in college football right now.
 

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I think the SEC and BIG can go fuck themselves if they think they should get all the spots. Might as well drop the FBS down to just those 2 conferences than. What’s the point of the regular season if 1 loss teams are going to get left out over 3 loss teams. Maybe the BIG and SEC shouldn’t have gobbled up all the supposedly best teams and then bitch and moan about how hard their conferences are.
The beat down everyone is complaining about was of a B1G team? Who is arguing in their favor?
 

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The beat down everyone is complaining about was of a B1G team? Who is arguing in their favor?
I hear everyone bitching about SMU. People can bitch about IU all they want. Alabama would have gotten shit on worse. They choked their chances against 6-6 Oklahoma in the last game of the year with the playoffs on the line. If they couldn’t get up for that they weren’t getting up to compete against NDs defense in South Bend in 20 degree weather.
 
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