Presidential Election 2024

[ulukinatme]

Implementing Project 2025 will probably affect me but I’ve been assured, by people on this board, that Trump would never adopt any of its policies. I’m a straight white male and my net worth is in the top 1% (just barely). Unless we have a stock market crash, I’ll be fine. Ultimately, it’s not just that he’s a short fingered vulgarian, it’s that he’s a felonious traitor and so many people just don’t care. That’s what bothers me the most.

Honestly, I read some summaries saying there's some provisions that match or are similar between Project 2025 and Trump, but the real crazy stuff is reserved for p25. I haven't done the comparison myself, I just wouldn't go out and say none of the policies are getting used. I fully expect Trump to work on passing a few, and then we'll get "See! He was Project 2025 all the way!"

 

[Sea Turtle]

Elon has been more than over the top lately, he has been straight up weird

Yeah it's like 'I'm a Rebublican now, here me roar!'. Ok, we get it dude but good grief.

 

[ulukinatme]

Elon has been more than over the top lately, he has been straight up weird

Doesn't he have Asperger's Syndrome? Would explain the awkwardness if so.

 

[calvegas04]

Doesn't he have Asperger's Syndrome? Would explain the awkwardness if so.

Does that translate into tweets/text?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Doesn't he have Asperger's Syndrome? Would explain the awkwardness if so.

Probably. Who names their children......I can't even remember what they are but you can't even pronounce.

I like the guy, he's brilliant and a boon for our country. China or Russia would kill for him. But yeah, he's weird. So was DA Vinci I guess.

 

[sixstar]

Who remembers? I remember.

 

[ulukinatme]

Does that translate into tweets/text?

It's a form of being on the spectrum, so I do believe it affects communication. That's probably not the answer you were going for though.

 

[yankeehater]

lol honestly would not be surprised if he tried that. Somehow paying an extreme premium that's totally above board! Gotta keep that freedom of speech secure! lolol



I mean, would anyone be ok if Bezos or Zuckerberg in the cabinet? It seems pretty straight forward.

Funny thing is a lot of those people are now sucking up to Trump including Cuban. Why are they congratulating a man they were calling Hitler?

 

[GATTACA!]

Probably. Who names their children......I can't even remember what they are but you can't even pronounce.

I like the guy, he's brilliant and a boon for our country. China or Russia would kill for him. But yeah, he's weird. So was DA Vinci I guess.

Is there any proof he actually named the kid that? Listening to him "explain" it on Rogan I got the sense that he was trolling.

 

[Irish#1]

Read again.

Don't need to. Unlike you, that guy isn't going to influence me one iota. The point of my post was about The View. Not some random tweet that ended up in my thread like hundreds of others I don't follow or read on a regular basis.

 

[Irish#1]

I'll be damned. The sun came up today.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Why would this seem relevant? Come on out and say what you think.

This openly dimwitted, outwardly vile person has run for President three times. The one time he didn't win, he lost to a man who took office in his late seventies who had been serving in the Federal Government since 1973 and would not accept said loss to the point that he incited a violent coup in an attempt to overthrow the election.

Other than that, my own family members consider me "elite and out of touch" because I went to college (a state directional school with the most cost efficient tuition in the state) and live in the suburbs of Chicago. Knowing full well, my own blood, who I am...how I treat others...and how I live. I was encouraged to go to college in the 80s and 90s, by all of them, growing up. Wonder what happened that changed their viewpoint.

So what do I think? I think we're utterly fucked, Dave. That's what I think.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I'll be damned. The sun came up today.

It won't on January 20th when all of the arrests start happening. Maybe Trump will be too busy implementing Project 2025 that the arrests will have to wait. Project 2025. Project 2025 Project 2025.

 

[JadedDomer]

We don't have to be this dumb.

 

[Bluto]

Flipped a seat for Dems in NY in a knife fight 50.5-49.5 by running on this message.

Sucking up to the never trumper republicans and trotting out Liz Chaney instead running on something along those lines was a pretty big mistake.

The thing I’m most bummed about is that Lina Khan won’t be around to continue to put the screws to big tech and others engaging in monopolistic practices.

Anyhow, taking into consideration how things went the first time around I think the incoming admin will go off the rails pretty quickly with insane policy priorities that create more chaos as opposed to anything else and the Dems will win back the house and senate in the mid terms.

 

[Bluto]

Seems like a pretty reasonable guy to me.

That’s called corporate consolidation. The GOP has been all about that for as long as I have been alive.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Sucking up to the never trumper republicans and trotting out Liz Chaney instead running on something along those lines was a pretty big mistake.

The thing I’m most bummed about is that Lina Khan won’t be around to continue to put the screws to big tech.

Anyhow, taking how things went the first time around I think the incoming admin will go off the rails pretty quickly with insane policy priorities that create more chaos as opposed to anything else and the Dems will win back the house and senate in the mid terms.

Divided government would probably be a good thing.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Regarding Elon:

I, too, am worried about a billionaire with active stake in high-level-security companies having an admin role in the government. Someone asked earlier, but I didn't see it answered...do the same laws apply to Elon in terms of divesting interest during active governing? Mark Cuban was actively campaigning for and seeking a position in the Harris admin. People on the right would hate that. My general rule of thumb is to not tie my rooting interest to any billionaire, regardless of who's "team" he/she is "playing for."

Elon talked about how Biden's DOJ is going after him and explained in detail how insane it was. Taking him at his word, it does sound unbelievably batshit crazy, but I don't know any further details on the matter so it's hard to have any strong opinion regarding this particular case. Regardless, one would have to assume that human nature will take over and greed, ego, etc and the office will be used to his benefit. This should be alarming and at the very least warrant a close eye.

As far as X goes, it's entirely open sourced for transparency. I personally am a firm believer in free speech and I cringe at the idea of censorship, "disinformation" laws, etc. If/when you see throttling of liberal views and censorship on X, then let the freak out ensue. Until then, he should just divest and let someone else run it temporarily like any other company.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Regarding Elon:

I, too, am worried about a billionaire with active stake in high-level-security companies having an admin role in the government. Someone asked earlier, but I didn't see it answered...do the same laws apply to Elon in terms of divesting interest during active governing? Mark Cuban was actively campaigning for and seeking a position in the Harris admin. People on the right would hate that. My general rule of thumb is to not tie my rooting interest to any billionaire, regardless of who's "team" he/she is "playing for."

Elon talked about how Biden's DOJ is going after him and explained in detail how insane it was. Taking him at his word, it does sound unbelievably batshit crazy, but I don't know any further details on the matter so it's hard to have any strong opinion regarding this particular case. Regardless, one would have to assume that human nature will take over and greed, ego, etc and the office will be used to his benefit. This should be alarming and at the very least warrant a close eye.

As far as X goes, it's entirely open sourced for transparency. I personally am a firm believe in free speech and I cringe at the idea of censorship, "disinformation" laws, etc. If/when you see throttling of liberal views and censorship on X, then let the freak out ensue. Until then, he should just divest and let someone else run it temporarily like any other company.

I'm skeptical that Elon will have any official cabinet type of positions.

I thought Mark Cuban was on record saying he wouldn't be a part of the Harris Cabinet.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm skeptical that Elon will have any official cabinet type of positions.

I thought Mark Cuban was on record saying he wouldn't be a part of the Harris Cabinet.

Cuban put himself in the limelight a bunch recently. I chalked it up to ego in terms of a "him versus Elon" mindset. You could be right, but I feel like I recall a specific interview that he did where he was asked the question and he essentially said, yes, I'd do it if asked. I could be wrong though. Either way, point stands that I'm not a super fan of billionaires interjecting in politics.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

This openly dimwitted, outwardly vile person has run for President three times. The one time he didn't win, he lost to a man who took office in his late seventies who had been serving in the Federal Government since 1973 and would not accept said loss to the point that he incited a violent coup in an attempt to overthrow the election.

Other than that, my own family members consider me "elite and out of touch" because I went to college (a state directional school with the most cost efficient tuition in the state) and live in the suburbs of Chicago. Knowing full well, my own blood, who I am...how I treat others...and how I live. I was encouraged to go to college in the 80s and 90s, by all of them, growing up. Wonder what happened that changed their viewpoint.

So what do I think? I think we're utterly fucked, Dave. That's what I think.

Same exact experience, but I went a local community college and small Methodist University in Missouri. I also became an "elite and out of touch" in the summer of 2020 when I became vocal about things Trump was doing. Encouraged by both parents who never went to college. My dad is a retired cop and constantly watches Fox News and like a good chunk of people sees no wrong in anything Trump does

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Sucking up to the never trumper republicans and trotting out Liz Chaney instead running on something along those lines was a pretty big mistake.

The thing I’m most bummed about is that Lina Khan won’t be around to continue to put the screws to big tech and others engaging in monopolistic practices.

Anyhow, taking how things went the first time around I think the incoming admin will go off the rails pretty quickly with insane policy priorities that create more chaos as opposed to anything else and the Dems will win back the house and senate in the mid terms.

The Senate probably won't be Democratic controlled again for generations. Ohio, Texas, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina aren't going to flip for decades. If ever.

Next Census is in 2030. I'm curious to see what Illinois' population looks like by then.

 

[Bluto]

Cuban put himself in the limelight a bunch recently. I chalked it up to ego in terms of a "him versus Elon" mindset. You could be right, but I feel like I recall a specific interview that he did where he was asked the question and he essentially said, yes, I'd do it if asked. I could be wrong though. Either way, point stands that I'm not a super fan of billionaires interjecting in politics.

Considering Trump is a billionaire wouldn‘t all those same concerns apply?

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Sucking up to the never trumper republicans and trotting out Liz Chaney instead running on something along those lines was a pretty big mistake.

The thing I’m most bummed about is that Lina Khan won’t be around to continue to put the screws to big tech and others engaging in monopolistic practices.

Anyhow, taking how things went the first time around I think the incoming admin will go off the rails pretty quickly with insane policy priorities that create more chaos as opposed to anything else and the Dems will win back the house and senate in the mid terms.

Should take a gander at the senate races up in 2026.
No idea where Dem's are going to pick up the likely needed (4) seats now in the midterms for a majority. Bleak

If anything, Georgia and Michigan are very much in play for the Republicans in 2026 more so then anything in reverse order for the Democrats.

North Carolina
Maine
Iowa (?)

Those are the only three I'd say Democrats have a realistic shot at, unless I'm totally missing something.
We shall see

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Considering Trump is a billionaire wouldn‘t all those same concerns apply?

100%

Essentially becoming a country of oligarchs.

 

[Bluto]

The Senate probably won't be Democratic controlled again for generations. Ohio, Texas, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina aren't going to flip for decades. If ever.

Next Census is in 2030. I'm curious to see what Illinois' population looks like by then.

I mean they won two senate seats in Georgia and one in Mississippi fairly recently. North Carolina has a Democrat as governor as does Kentucky. These things aren‘t out of the realm of possibility on the State wide level. We’ll see.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I mean they won two senate seats in Georgia and one in Mississippi fairly recently. North Carolina has a Democrat as governor. We’ll see.

I think you’re thinking of Alabama, and boy were there some extreme circumstances surrounding that race! Haha

Regardless, I envy your optimism.
When you look at the map, it just seems like the senate is in republicans hands for the foreseeable future.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

The Senate probably won't be Democratic controlled again for generations. Ohio, Texas, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina aren't going to flip for decades. If ever.

Next Census is in 2030. I'm curious to see what Illinois' population looks like by then.

Yep, props to the Republican Party when it comes to senate races.
They run candidates that play to their base, and fundraise well.

I have very little faith the DNC will ever be able to play politics as well as the RNC in my lifetime, so as long as they hold the power over which candidates make it to the ballot the senate will likely stay red for a very long time.

 

[Bluto]

Should take a gander at the senate races up in 2026.
No idea where Dem's are going to pick up the likely needed (4) seats now in the midterms for a majority. Bleak

If anything, Georgia and Michigan are very much in play for the Republicans in 2026 more so then anything in reverse order for the Democrats.

North Carolina
Maine
Iowa (?)

Those are the only three I'd say Democrats have a realistic shot at, unless I'm totally missing something.
We shall see

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I’m basing this mostly on the assumption that Trump, who will now largely be unconstrained and his admin go completely off the rails. History would seem to point toward that being highly probable.

I do agree that the DNC tends to bungle things more often than not. Sure doesn’t help that the party leadership is old as shit. The slide with working class Latinos in particular isn’t that surprising to myself. Anyhow, we’ll see.

 

[ab2cmiller]

The Senate probably won't be Democratic controlled again for generations. Ohio, Texas, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina aren't going to flip for decades. If ever.

Next Census is in 2030. I'm curious to see what Illinois' population looks like by then.

Decent article linked although it was written in January of 2024

Control of the Senate for the Rest of the Decade?

Control of the Senate next year is on the line in 2024, but what about control of the Senate for the rest of the decade? Nathan Gonzales looks at possible scenarios that could lead to the beginning of a political dynasty on Capitol Hill, as well as what could thwart it.

pac.org

2026 Most Competitive Races would likely be
Maine - Collins
Georgia - Ossoff
Michigan - Peters
N. Carolina - Tillis

I suppose Ohio could be interesting as well depending on who is appointed to replace JD Vance