Presidential Election 2024

[drayer54]

America is back!!!

 

[Bishop2b5]

No rubbing it in or piling on our friends on the Left tonight. I hope we can all get a laugh from the pic below.

 

[ulukinatme]

This completely! Plus, I keep hearing the liberal pundits hint that it was the dumb masses that are too stupid to realize they are hurting themselves. They can't just look in the mirror.

I'm seeing a lot of this on the very liberal friendly UT Surly Horns site, but there's no hinting. Both sides in this country have incredibly stereotyped perceptions of the other, and they sometimes lump the entire party together with no understanding how or why they support what they do. The propaganda, fear mongering, and attacks don't help. At the end of the day the two party system is just a construct to keep the country divided. It can be fun supporting your side, but at the end of the day we're all Americans and despite our differences politically we're not that different when you boil it down. Neither side is as stupid as the other lets on (Although there will never be a shortage of uninformed voters).

 

[ulukinatme]

The jews white women did this.

 

[NorthDakota]

Fat L for dems. Love it. I'm pleased.

 

[Irish#1]

Wasn't even close. How did nearly every poll miss it so badly?

 

[TracyGraham]

The jews white women did this.

I really wish I knew how the lib mind worked. Does throwing an entire group sex/race under the bus motivate said group or just piss them off. I feel like I’d just be insulted.

 

[Irish#1]

We are currently on track to put David Muir and the cast of the View in a labor camp.

You think Clooney, De Niro and the others are packing?

 

[Irish#1]

Really curious as to what the driving factor was for her to do so badly?
1) Abortion wasn't as significant in Iowa as the media told us it was. Probably wasn't across the country?
2) Lack of a plan?
3) Was Joe's partner for four years?
4)The border?
5) All of the above

https://www.cnn.com/shorts/events-desktop-cnn-shorts?iid=vertical-video_entry

 

[Irish#1]

Many people I follow have pointed out just how little Kamala has put herself out there since being the nominee. They thought it was strange at the time and in the past few weeks many have criticized those decisions, especially w/r/t the Joe Rogan thing. It was a free platform to reach a demographic who hasn't resonated with her and yet her campaign refused to do anything other than tightly controlled and manicured platforms.

Beyond that I'd seen people criticize the way the Dems went about choosing their replacement for Joe Biden. At this point I think Joe would have done better in this election as Kamala just doesn't move the needle.

I don't think they had much choice, but to keep things tightly controlled. Even in the controlled interviews she did give, she looked clueless and just kept making word salads.

Skipped her own rally party.

The watch party at Vice President Kamala Harris' alma mater Howard University was not the celebratory occasion supporters were hoping for on election night.

Vice President Kamala Harris skipped the event as it was becoming apparent she would not win the presidential election.

 

[Irish#1]

Joy's been full of soundbites tonight.

That lady needs two therapists!

 

[irishff1014]

Harris is a quitter couldn’t even speak to her supporters at her event. That’s what everyone thought we were gonna end up with. Way to stand up America and make sure that didn’t happen.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Missouri voted to raise statewide minimum wage to $15 by 2026 and guarantee paid sick leave days to workers.

Trump and Hawley both carried the state easily.

Nothing to see here. Leftwing labor policy won, the centrist who campaigned with Liz Chaney did not.

 

[Giddyup]

 

[Blazers46]

Harris is a quitter couldn’t even speak to her supporters at her event. That’s what everyone thought we were gonna end up with. Way to stand up America and make sure that didn’t happen.

You think she went crazy like Hilary? This is usually the temperament of a woman. They get mad, they go crazy, they give you the cold shoulder and then in the morning “hey we need to talk”.

 

[Giddyup]

The SOS in blue states really need to clean up their election counting “process”. This stall tactic is unacceptable. Most election numbers were in by at least midnight until 2020. We had scantrons in the 80s that could count faster and you don’t just “find ballots” at the last minute every year.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

At the same time, what a fucking disaster the DNC is. How the FUCK do you have a guy who's never run a business well, inherited ~400M from his father, invested his money into CASINOS AND REAL ESTATE and STILL went bankrupt.

And you let *that* guy beat your candidate in terms of who's more trustworthy? My goodness what a shit operation lol.

We finally agree. Big hat tip to the Democrats for their decisions over the past 4 years that led to this landslide:

2020 - party is so radicalized the best they could offer was a guy with dementia, and coming out of Covid they could afford to hide him in the basement and not have to run a real campaign

2020 - choose Kamala as VP to fill a self prescribed diversity quota even though she was very unpopular with Dems

2021 to 2024 - import tens of millions of illegals and enact policies that led to 40 year high of inflation

2024 - push Biden out because of said dementia and appoint the woman who was first out in 2020 primaries

Now, I still believe whoever the Dems threw out there in 2024 was going to lose to Trump, but they did throw out one of the worst options possible.

 

[Giddyup]

Toronto is pretty fired up for a Canadian.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

They lost because they don't understand men and they don't understand how cringe a lot of woke stuff is to normal people. It's that simple. They anointed an extremely left woman from California who did terrible in the 2020 primary and tried to repackage her as a moderate. They needed to run someone like Beshear, Kelly, etc. to have a prayer of coming across as authentic.

The issue is not Liz Cheney, the issue is the opposite. She doesn't move the needle either direction. The issue is that you have a bunch of political class lefties are steering the ship in a direction that does not appeal to large swaths of people. They live in a bubble.

What I want to see is the split of voters who went Trump + Gallego and Trump + Josh Stein. Interview those people and I bet you get to the core of the Democrats policy and messaging problem.

All true. Although, idk I'd give the trans or woke issues much weight. Certainly some, but I wouldn't list it as reason number one.

The main point I agree with is the bubble concept. Echo chambers. Top-down elitism in bed with MSM and it has resulted in a massive circle jerk. Societally, you can look no further than urban vs suburban vs rural demographics. The separation has lead to an inability to relate to one another across these lines. This has lead to a lack of empathy and, at times, downright hatred and bigotry (two way street). Polarization ensues. Whoever decides to mend these broken bridges, will steam roll opponents with overwhelming support. I think Trump's team (Tulsi, RFK, Elon, Vivek, etc) did a better job than Harris at trying to connect with the entire spectrum of voters. It's why you see support for Trump in this election go up comparatively in almost every demographic. Harris never had a chance.

The problem with the Harris campaign was that she could not effectively convey why she should be President. Her campaign revolved around why Trump shouldn't be President. Why didn't that work well? Because Trump's already been President, and for a lot of people, life was better during his Presidency compared to the past 4 years

Definitely. Very easy to look at immigration, inflation, and war as primary reasons people want to go back to Trump. It doesn't take someone with a degree from Harvard to look at their budget and realize that they're struggling worse now than before. Kamala never could differentiate herself from Biden. She didn't give voters a real reason to vote for her.

Americans want to prosper, they want to be left alone, they want to feel safe, and they want to keep their tax money in the US instead of supporting wars abroad. It's pretty simple, really, but it's in direct conflict with corporate greed, and Big ((insert sector)), MIC, etc.

Considering how poorly she did in the 2020 Democrat primary, and what it's looking like tonight, I wonder if Biden kinda screwed his own party over by pushing for Kamala to take his place unquestioned. Do you think a different candidate would have done better had they run a traditional primary, or do you think Kamala still gets the nomination? Which nominee had the best shot?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there was a rumor that when they finally agreed to push Biden out, they did internal polling to decide who to run in his place. Kamala is an obvious choice because she was VP, but her polling numbers weren't great. Due to that, there was hesitation but The Squad and others, went crazy over the idea of not picking Harris. Not to suggest that AOC etc had that much sway, but I think in terms of a united front to get the best candidate out there, they may have been the loudest in the room. Maybe that's all untrue, but I do remember hearing it and it makes some sense. The DNC really does need to do some soul searching because they continue to misread their base and abuse their status with shit candidates, shit platforms, and corruption.

 

[IrishLax]

Reading that basically all demographics were similar for Kamala vs Biden… except for Latino men, who moved something like 30 points in Trump’s favor from 2020.

It’s wild seeing lefties not understand why Latinos hate illegal immigration. It’s also totally unsurprising that a party with their messaging and policy (student loan giveaways, etc.) would do poorly with one of the most blue collar and hard working demographics.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Reading that basically all demographics were similar for Kamala vs Biden… except for Latino men, who moved something like 30 points in Trump’s favor from 2020.

It’s wild seeing lefties not understand why Latinos hate illegal immigration. It’s also totally unsurprising that a party with their messaging and policy (student loan giveaways, etc.) would do poorly with one of the most blue collar and hard working demographics.

Generally more religious and socially conservative as well.

 

[Irish#1]

Reading an article on CNN it basically said this all boiled down to Biden refusing to step aside early enough to select the right candidate and Biden wanting Harris so it wouldn't reflect badly on him.

 

[drayer54]

The DOW is screaming up! Let it run!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Reading an article on CNN it basically said this all boiled down to Biden refusing to step aside early enough to select the right candidate and Biden wanting Harris so it wouldn't reflect badly on him.

Typical finger pointing. Same shit from them. Definition of insanity.

 

[Irish#1]

Reading that basically all demographics were similar for Kamala vs Biden… except for Latino men, who moved something like 30 points in Trump’s favor from 2020.

It’s wild seeing lefties not understand why Latinos hate illegal immigration. It’s also totally unsurprising that a party with their messaging and policy (student loan giveaways, etc.) would do poorly with one of the most blue collar and hard working demographics.

Was there a shift in black male voters? One analyst seemed to indicate a shift towards Trump because he basically treated them like every other citizen and not some special group like Harris did with Hispanics.

 

[Giddyup]

Wonder how that FBI investigation on the trump assassination is going. I’m thinking the paper shredders are running on high right about now.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I'm seeing a lot of this on the very liberal friendly UT Surly Horns site, but there's no hinting. Both sides in this country have incredibly stereotyped perceptions of the other, and they sometimes lump the entire party together with no understanding how or why they support what they do. The propaganda, fear mongering, and attacks don't help. At the end of the day the two party system is just a construct to keep the country divided. It can be fun supporting your side, but at the end of the day we're all Americans and despite our differences politically we're not that different when you boil it down. Neither side is as stupid as the other lets on (Although there will never be a shortage of uninformed voters).

The difference being mainstream Republicans have a much better understanding of Liberal positions and their thought process. Mainstream liberals have entire institutions that completely block out any sort of conservative narratives and the only exposure they get to them is propagandized narratives that are not actually true. Any college conservative in a liberal arts program can tell you this

 

[NDVirginia19]

Toronto is going to have to move even further away from America now

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Radio silence from our friends @GoIrish41 and @Cackalacky2.0

Already on the therapists' couch or sleeping off the hangover?

 

[NDVirginia19]