Presidential Election 2024

[yankeehater]

It's a reasonable question. People have different opinions on what should be titled an "assault weapon"

The problem is the people who make policy/decisions have no clue about the industries they are regulating. I see it all day long in my industry out here in California.

 

[TorontoGold]

There are two sciences, but not two genders?

Gender is a social science, sex is a biological science. People who have studied gender science there are more than two genders.

 

[Rocket89]

You brought it up and it's certainly relevant to the discussion. I'd just like to hear how you define an assault weapon.

No, you wouldn't. There are many ways to define an assault weapon. There are federal definitions, and state-level definitions. Personal definitions. I'm sure we won't agree, and don't need to waste time about it.

What I'd like to hear is how someone thinks they're going to uncover a major "gotchya!" on Harris for being a hypocrite gun owner who also supports gun buybacks when the same people root for one of the biggest hypocrites to ever grace the United States? That seems really weird to me!

 

[RDU Irish]

I want to know what she will do to secure the border and why she hasn’t done it yet, what she will do to provide energy security and reliability and why she hasn’t done it, what she will do to restore commercial shipping traffic in the Red Sea from the org her administration de-listed as a terrorist org, ohh who am I kidding- how far can she drive a golf ball?

Still waiting to hear if I can be pro-choice and support full restriction on abortion after 6 weeks?

Why do any words she might toss into a salad on those issues matter? She has plenty of on the record statements and results to prove her worth in those arenas. How about two concise questions based in fact and having nothing to do with being raised in a middle class family (kids of professors at top tier institutions are "middle class" now btw).

Point to your McDonalds on a map
Make and model of your gun

 

[RDU Irish]

No, you wouldn't. There are many ways to define an assault weapon. There are federal definitions, and state-level definitions. Personal definitions. I'm sure we won't agree, and don't need to waste time about it.

What I'd like to hear is how someone thinks they're going to uncover a major "gotchya!" on Harris for being a hypocrite gun owner who also supports MANDATORY gun buybacks when the same people root for one of the biggest hypocrites to ever grace the United States? That seems really weird to me!

FIFY - that little bolded word makes a big difference.

 

[Bishop2b5]

No, you wouldn't. There are many ways to define an assault weapon. There are federal definitions, and state-level definitions. Personal definitions. I'm sure we won't agree, and don't need to waste time about it.

What I'd like to hear is how someone thinks they're going to uncover a major "gotchya!" on Harris for being a hypocrite gun owner who also supports gun buybacks when the same people root for one of the biggest hypocrites to ever grace the United States? That seems really weird to me!

Of course I would. I'm simply trying to learn your definition so that I know exactly what you mean when you call something an assault weapon. For some, that means any gun; for others it's any gun routinely used my professional military forces; for others it's any fully automatic weapon; for others it's any "fully semiautomatic" weapon (lol); and for many, it's just a nebulous, undefined catch-all term for any scary looking gun, regardless of how it actually works. It shouldn't be hard to give an honest, reasonable definition that you agree with.

 

[Rocket89]

Of course I would. I'm simply trying to learn your definition so that I know exactly what you mean when you call something an assault weapon. For some, that means any gun; for others it's any gun routinely used my professional military forces; for others it's any fully automatic weapon; for others it's any "fully semiautomatic" weapon (lol); and for many, it's just a nebulous, undefined catch-all term for any scary looking gun, regardless of how it actually works. It shouldn't be hard to give an honest, reasonable definition that you agree with.

"I'm sure we won't agree, and don't need to waste time about it."

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[RDU Irish]

Of course I would. I'm simply trying to learn your definition so that I know exactly what you mean when you call something an assault weapon. For some, that means any gun; for others it's any gun routinely used my professional military forces; for others it's any fully automatic weapon; for others it's any "fully semiautomatic" weapon (lol); and for many, it's just a nebulous, undefined catch-all term for any scary looking gun, regardless of how it actually works. It shouldn't be hard to give an honest, reasonable definition that you agree with.

WHOA - only one side defines the other here. By ultimate standards - your phone is an assault weapon if you post hate speech.

 

[Irish#1]

"I'm sure we won't agree, and don't need to waste time about it."

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What is your personal definition of an assault weapon?

 

[Bishop2b5]

"I'm sure we won't agree, and don't need to waste time about it."

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So? Reasonable people can disagree and then discuss things. That's how dialogue works and you avoid talking over or around others. If you have a reasonable definition of what an assault weapon is, just say it. That way there's no misunderstanding of what you mean. You've made it clear that you support the involuntary confiscation of what you call assault weapons. We just want to know what you think an asault weapon is and how you define it. If you can't, just say so.

 

[Rocket89]

So? Reasonable people can disagree and then discuss things. That's how dialogue works and you avoid talking over or around others. If you have a reasonable definition of what an assault weapon is, just say it. That way there's no misunderstanding of what you mean. You've made it clear that you support the involuntary confiscation of what you call assault weapons. We just want to know what you think an asault weapon is and how you define it. If you can't, just say so.

My comment was proving that Harris is *not* a hypocrite for her stance as a gun owner despite the continued insistence no no no she must be!!!

The minutiae definition of assault weapons doesn't really matter to my point, and I might even differ from Harris' POV. I know it's maybe the biggest right-wing porn topic out there though, which is even less reason to 'discuss' it.

 

[NDVirginia19]

The problem is that the people who want to ban certain types of weapons want to do so because they are scary

Can't forget about the dangers of the shoulder thing that goes up

 

[Bishop2b5]

My comment was proving that Harris is *not* a hypocrite for her stance as a gun owner despite the continued insistence no no no she must be!!!

The minutiae definition of assault weapons doesn't really matter to my point, and I might even differ from Harris' POV. I know it's maybe the biggest right-wing porn topic out there though, which is even less reason to 'discuss' it.

LOL

 

[NDVirginia19]

My comment was proving that Harris is *not* a hypocrite for her stance as a gun owner despite the continued insistence no no no she must be!!!

The minutiae definition of assault weapons doesn't really matter to my point, and I might even differ from Harris' POV. I know it's maybe the biggest right-wing porn topic out there though, which is even less reason to 'discuss' it.

The reason pro 2a folks are so insistent on trying to get a definition of what an "assault rifle" it is a term that has been bastardized by gun control lobbies. Actual assault rifles, ie: medium cartridge rifles with selective fire and detachable magazines are already effectively controlled and never used in mass shootings. They use the term "assault rifle" to describe any weapon that looks scary

 

[NDVirginia19]

This is 10x worse than any of the "foreign interference" in the 2016 election

 

[Bishop2b5]

The problem is that the people who want to ban certain types of weapons want to do so because they are scary

Can't forget about the dangers of the shoulder thing that goes up

And there is exactly the problem. Liberals scream about assault weapons, fully semi-automatic weapons, barrel shrouds, pistol grips, scary looking weapons, and yada yada yada, all while having an understanding of any of these things comparable to my understanding of 15th Century Chinese farmer poetry. The difference is that I KNOW I don't know anything about 15th Century Chinese farmer poetry and therefore don't pontificate about it and try to decide which such poems should be published or read. They are absolutely clueless about the realities of guns or the actual causes of gun violence, therefore their so-called solutions never work and usually make things worse.

 

[TorontoGold]

And there is exactly the problem. Liberals scream about assault weapons, fully semi-automatic weapons, barrel shrouds, pistol grips, scary looking weapons, and yada yada yada, all while having an understanding of any of these things comparable to my understanding of 15th Century Chinese farmer poetry. The difference is that I KNOW I don't know anything about 15th Century Chinese farmer poetry and therefore don't pontificate about it and try to decide which such poems should be published or read. They are absolutely clueless about the realities of guns or the actual causes of gun violence, therefore their so-called solutions never work and usually make things worse.

 

[Rocket89]

Sorry, we can't care about guns killing people (except mayyyybe if we limit to the inner city of course) unless we have a PhD in gun manufacturing.

Anyway, I'm gonna go piss all over myself because Harris didn't work at McDonald's

 

[NDVirginia19]

Sorry, we can't care about guns killing people (except mayyyybe if we limit to the inner city of course) unless we have a PhD in gun manufacturing.

Anyway, I'm gonna go piss all over myself because Harris didn't work at McDonald's

You can care about it, but maybe the people who are legislating the restrictions they want to impose should actually know what the fuck they are talking about

 

[Blazers46]

This is 10x worse than any of the "foreign interference" in the 2016 election

But Ukraine is the good guys… lol.

 

[Rocket89]

You can care about it, but maybe the people who are legislating the restrictions they want to impose should actually know what the fuck they are talking about

Cool, please go teach them so we can get the most accurate legislation written and impose as many restrictions as we can!

 

[TorontoGold]

Sorry, we can't care about guns killing people (except mayyyybe if we limit to the inner city of course) unless we have a PhD in gun manufacturing.

Anyway, I'm gonna go piss all over myself because Harris didn't work at McDonald's

The absolute irony of the poster in question making that point, while holding some very strong opinions on other matters. Instead of criticizing the points being made on the other side, just blanketing it all on "well they don't understand how to deconstruct a M4, so they don't know anything".

 

[Irish#1]

Sorry, we can't care about guns killing people (except mayyyybe if we limit to the inner city of course) unless we have a PhD in gun manufacturing.

Anyway, I'm gonna go piss all over myself because Harris didn't work at McDonald's

This is where you're wrong. There is no one that is okay with mass shootings at schools. Why isn't there more outrage about all of the inner-city killings that happen everywhere? A life taken is just as wrong regardless of where it occurs. Why isn't there the same uproar we see when it happens at a school? Because it happens everyday and everyone has become numb to it, where as the school shootings aren't that common.

 

[drayer54]

What is your personal definition of an assault weapon?

Doesn't matter what this clown defines it as, it matters what they define it as when they consistently try to ban it, which Harris has supported for years. I doubt this poster could define the gun terminology on a gun control bill. Clear conceptual issues with this clown.

 

[drayer54]

This is where you're wrong. There is no one that is okay with mass shootings at schools. Why isn't there more outrage about all of the inner-city killings that happen everywhere? A life taken is just as wrong regardless of where it occurs. Why isn't there the same uproar we see when it happens at a school? Because it happens everyday and everyone has become numb to it, where as the school shootings aren't that common.

Why should we disarm at the direction of the party that defunded police and opened the border to god knows who? They have clearly demonstrated they do not care about public safety, only authoritarian control.

 

[Rocket89]

Doesn't matter what this clown defines it as, it matters what they define it as when they consistently try to ban it

Yes, exactly! This was my point--my definition doesn't really matter--you just repackaged it differently.

 

[drayer54]

Yes, exactly! This was my point--my definition doesn't really matter--you just repackaged it differently.

You’ve proven you don’t understand the policy nor the terminology. I’m pointing at the copy and paste language being used on all of the silly gun bans that are relevant to the conversation.

 

[Rocket89]

This is where you're wrong. There is no one that is okay with mass shootings at schools. Why isn't there more outrage about all of the inner-city killings that happen everywhere? A life taken is just as wrong regardless of where it occurs. Why isn't there the same uproar we see when it happens at a school? Because it happens everyday and everyone has become numb to it, where as the school shootings aren't that common.

Why is there more outrage when Notre Dame loses to NIU and less with Ohio State?

 

[Rocket89]

You’ve proven you don’t understand the policy nor the terminology.

Nothing of the sort has been discussed or engaged with, but okay.

 

[Blazers46]

This is where you're wrong. There is no one that is okay with mass shootings at schools. Why isn't there more outrage about all of the inner-city killings that happen everywhere? A life taken is just as wrong regardless of where it occurs. Why isn't there the same uproar we see when it happens at a school? Because it happens everyday and everyone has become numb to it, where as the school shootings aren't that common.

Why is there more outrage when Notre Dame loses to NIU and less with Ohio State?

I actually disagree. I don’t think people are numb to inner citycrime and black on black murder. I honestly just don’t think people care. Just don’t kill my white babies.