Presidential Election 2024

[Irish#1]

Got a few calls for assassination in there

It's okay. It's for the greater good.

 

[GATTACA!]

Remember folks, Kamala is the dumb one.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I want to arrive to the destination in life when I speak of myself in the third person. That's likely the cognitive, mental end but be that as it may I want to be there and I want to know about it, if only for a short time.

 

[NorthDakota]

Remember folks, Kamala is the dumb one.

Kamala said she smoked weed in college while listening to Tupac...years before he put an album out.

So there is an argument for Kamala being the dumb one. Don't be unburdened by what has been or whatever her weird line is.

 

[ulukinatme]

Remember folks, Kamala is the dumb one.

There certainly are no Mensa candidates in this election. We can only hope they surround themselves with individuals that are smarter than they are.

 

[GATTACA!]

Kamala said she smoked weed in college while listening to Tupac...years before he put an album out.

So there is an argument for Kamala being the dumb one. Don't be unburdened by what has been or whatever her weird line is.

She didn't know rap. That was before she was black.

 

[drayer54]

Kamala said she smoked weed in college while listening to Tupac...years before he put an album out.

So there is an argument for Kamala being the dumb one. Don't be unburdened by what has been or whatever her weird line is.

I mean, only one has brains sufficient enough to do interviews.

 

[NorthDakota]

She didn't know rap. That was before she was black.

I also don't know rap. I am not black yet either.

 

[NorthDakota]

The Secret Service guy seems to be ready to kick ass and take names.

 

[drayer54]

Nobody asks if this will continue. Nobody holds them to why.

 

[NorthDakota]

Nobody asks if this will continue. Nobody holds them to why.

Ruining a perfectly good country. All because they want dems elected. This place is broken.

 

[drayer54]

 

[NorthDakota]

If Mike DeWine ain't on your team....lol

 

[Bishop2b5]

And just like that, Cack's wild-eyed rant and anger turn out to be silly and based on nothing again.

 

[IrishLax]

Got a few calls for assassination in there

No offense, but the reason no one takes the pearl clutching seriously is that MAGA is the same guys that brought gallows to January 6th, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” etc.

MAGA can’t run around doing that kind of shit and then pretend the “rhetoric needs to be turned down” when someone goes after Trump. MAGA never gave a crap about rhetoric before.

Also, Presidents having some deranged person want to take them out is commonplace and happens to most Presidents not just Trump. This is nothing new or unique.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Sounds like saying Mig (Soviet plane)

He mispronounced migrant and caught it.

 

[NorthDakota]

No offense, but the reason no one takes the pearl clutching seriously is that MAGA is the same guys that brought gallows to January 6th, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” etc.

MAGA can’t run around doing that kind of shit and then pretend the “rhetoric needs to be turned down” when someone goes after Trump. MAGA never gave a crap about rhetoric before.

Also, Presidents having some deranged person want to take them out is commonplace and happens to most Presidents not just Trump. This is nothing new or unique.

Are we actually pretending it's commonplace for presidential candidates to face multiple assassination attempts?

 

[ulukinatme]

No offense, but the reason no one takes the pearl clutching seriously is that MAGA is the same guys that brought gallows to January 6th, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” etc.

MAGA can’t run around doing that kind of shit and then pretend the “rhetoric needs to be turned down” when someone goes after Trump. MAGA never gave a crap about rhetoric before.

Also, Presidents having some deranged person want to take them out is commonplace and happens to most Presidents not just Trump. This is nothing new or unique.

Dude, a handful of idiots with a prop is not the same as elected officials and political analysts calling for violence (up to assassination) against a political rival on news channels.

It was roughly 40 years since a legitimate assassination attempt has been enacted against a President or former President, and now we've had two in a span of 60 days. This is a big deal, it's leaning more towards the unprecedented.

 

[TracyGraham]

He mispronounced migrant and caught it.

That seems like the logical conclusion to me.

 

[TracyGraham]

No offense, but the reason no one takes the pearl clutching seriously is that MAGA is the same guys that brought gallows to January 6th, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” etc.

MAGA can’t run around doing that kind of shit and then pretend the “rhetoric needs to be turned down” when someone goes after Trump. MAGA never gave a crap about rhetoric before.

Also, Presidents having some deranged person want to take them out is commonplace and happens to most Presidents not just Trump. This is nothing new or unique.

You really don't think this is "new or unique"?? Seems like a pretty high threshold...

 

[ulukinatme]

The argument of schools being easy targets doesn't hold water when you consider that the US has 3x the number of guns per capita than Canada, and has 96x the number of school shootings. Our schools aren't anymore secure than those in the US.

It's really close to 4x more per capita, but If one side has 3x the guns and 96x the school shootings compared to the other, then obviously there are other factors besides safety that are contributing to the higher number of school shootings. Culture comes to mind. On the site aquariusai.ca they compare the US and Canadian education systems in various ways. One difference is culture: "Canadian education emphasizes multiculturalism, diversity, and inclusivity, as it aims to reflect the diverse society of the country. In contrast, American education often stresses individualism, competition, and achievement." Maybe the ideology of the later is contributing to kids feeling alone or left behind.

Regardless, we know that previous school shooters have been thwarted when they try to target better protected schools. As mentioned, gun laws only apply to law abiding citizens. We just saw a felon obtain a firearm illegally with the hopes of assassinating a former President. Wack-jobs will always find ways to obtain guns, this is why you have to focus on increasing security in all schools. Once they are no longer easy targets, the psychos will quit going for schools.

 

[IrishLax]

Are we actually pretending it's commonplace for presidential candidates to face multiple assassination attempts?

Yes, Obama and Bush both had multiple plots or attempts on their life. The only thing unique about Trump was the security breakdowns that let the first guy get a shot off, usually they stop them before they have a real chance to kill the President.

In 2018, a dude sent pipe bombs to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Just last year a guy was arrested near Obama's house with guns and explosives. People shot at both the Bush, Obama, and Bill Clinton all had people shoot at their White Houses. Bill Clinton almost got blown up on a bridge but they rerouted the motorcade last minute. Etc. Etc.

Every President of my lifetime has had attempts on their life, the only unique thing about Trump is how close the first one got to success. There was an absurd security breakdown in Butler, PA.... there is no scenario where someone with a rifle should be able to carry it for a mile, set up inside the perimeter, have people see him set up, and then get a shot off. That's loony tunes. Deranged people (or state actors) wanting to kill the President is nothing new and will never go away, and it certainly isn't some unique occurrence stemming from "rhetoric"... that's just not supported by history or facts on the matter. No one talks about the two attempts on Trump in 2017 -- one by ISIS and one by a crazy person -- because there is nothing political to gain from it. But these two are in an election year, so there is clearly political incentive to frame this a certain way.

 

[IrishLax]

Dude, a handful of idiots with a prop is not the same as elected officials and political analysts calling for violence (up to assassination) against a political rival on news channels.

It was roughly 40 years since a legitimate assassination attempt has been enacted against a President or former President, and now we've had two in a span of 60 days. This is a big deal, it's leaning more towards the unprecedented.

This isn't remotely true, at all -- List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia

In 1996, Bill Clinton would've gotten blown up if they didn't intercept a message and re-route his motorcade.

In 2005, a guy threw a grenade at George Bush.

In 2009, a man with forged press credentials tried to get close to Obama and kill him while he was in Turkey but was stopped. Which is how it's supposed to work, same as with this recent one on Trump... you're never going to eliminate 100% of attempts when they're in the plot stage, but security is supposed to stop you before you get close enough to take a shot/blow up your bomb/etc.

 

[Bluto]

He said tig. He was going to talk about welding.

I think he said jig and was going to talk about Riverdance.

 

[ulukinatme]

This isn't remotely true, at all -- List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia

In 1996, Bill Clinton would've gotten blown up if they didn't intercept a message and re-route his motorcade.

In 2005, a guy threw a grenade at George Bush.

In 2009, a man with forged press credentials tried to get close to Obama and kill him while he was in Turkey but was stopped. Which is how it's supposed to work, same as with this recent one on Trump... you're never going to eliminate 100% of attempts when they're in the plot stage, but security is supposed to stop you before you get close enough to take a shot/blow up your bomb/etc.

Fair, can I amend and say 43 years since a President or former has been physically harmed from an assassination attempt?
I don't remember hearing about the G.W. Bush grenade attack, crazy that a bandana wrapped around it was all that saved him from it exploding and seriously injuring him. I don't think I knew that Osama Bin Laden tried twice to use explosives to take out Bill Clinton.

 

[TorontoGold]

It's really close to 4x more per capita, but If one side has 3x the guns and 96x the school shootings compared to the other, then obviously there are other factors besides safety that are contributing to the higher number of school shootings. Culture comes to mind. On the site aquariusai.ca they compare the US and Canadian education systems in various ways. One difference is culture: "Canadian education emphasizes multiculturalism, diversity, and inclusivity, as it aims to reflect the diverse society of the country. In contrast, American education often stresses individualism, competition, and achievement." Maybe the ideology of the later is contributing to kids feeling alone or left behind.

Regardless, we know that previous school shooters have been thwarted when they try to target better protected schools. As mentioned, gun laws only apply to law abiding citizens. We just saw a felon obtain a firearm illegally with the hopes of assassinating a former President. Wack-jobs will always find ways to obtain guns, this is why you have to focus on increasing security in all schools. Once they are no longer easy targets, the psychos will quit going for schools.

As patriotic as I am, I don't think there is any way in which Canadian kids are culturally more aware/accepting than American kids by those kind of rates. Especially given the culture surrounding school pride with American schools in comparison to Canadian schools.

If the idea is that more diverse countries that focus on inclusivity and thus less shootings would this not go against the prevailing notion from the Right, that multi-culturalism is leading to more violence? On one hand the talking point is that multi-culturalism is conducive to violence but then we're going to say that 96x is representative of a majority or a large portion of it comes from kids raised in a diverse situation are less likely to commit crimes?

List of countries by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Irish#1]

Looks like someone else wants to take away your free speech.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, Obama and Bush both had multiple plots or attempts on their life. The only thing unique about Trump was the security breakdowns that let the first guy get a shot off, usually they stop them before they have a real chance to kill the President.

In 2018, a dude sent pipe bombs to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Just last year a guy was arrested near Obama's house with guns and explosives. People shot at both the Bush, Obama, and Bill Clinton all had people shoot at their White Houses. Bill Clinton almost got blown up on a bridge but they rerouted the motorcade last minute. Etc. Etc.

Every President of my lifetime has had attempts on their life, the only unique thing about Trump is how close the first one got to success. There was an absurd security breakdown in Butler, PA.... there is no scenario where someone with a rifle should be able to carry it for a mile, set up inside the perimeter, have people see him set up, and then get a shot off. That's loony tunes. Deranged people (or state actors) wanting to kill the President is nothing new and will never go away, and it certainly isn't some unique occurrence stemming from "rhetoric"... that's just not supported by history or facts on the matter. No one talks about the two attempts on Trump in 2017 -- one by ISIS and one by a crazy person -- because there is nothing political to gain from it. But these two are in an election year, so there is clearly political incentive to frame this a certain way.

You're right. The reason this is a big deal (PA. & FL.) is that one came less than an inch away from succeeding and the other was able to get within reasonable distance to succeed. In the trillions of dollars we have in the budget, our government says they don't have the money or manpower to provide more security for Trump. How about using some trained special forces, NSA or FBI agents to supplement? This guy set up 12 hours prior. I would think any facility/grounds where an appearance is going to occur would be swept and secured at least 24 hours prior.

 

[ulukinatme]

As patriotic as I am, I don't think there is any way in which Canadian kids are culturally more aware/accepting than American kids by those kind of rates. Especially given the culture surrounding school pride with American schools in comparison to Canadian schools.

If the idea is that more diverse countries that focus on inclusivity and thus less shootings would this not go against the prevailing notion from the Right, that multi-culturalism is leading to more violence? On one hand the talking point is that multi-culturalism is conducive to violence but then we're going to say that 96x is representative of a majority or a large portion of it comes from kids raised in a diverse situation are less likely to commit crimes?

List of countries by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I can't really say, I'm just looking for an answer why there's far greater intent to shoot up schools here as oppose to Canada. The simple proliferation of guns isn't enough to increase the number of school shootings 96x, there has to be other factors involved. Could be the health care in Canada, perhaps ya'll do a better job handling mental health. Lord knows we suck in that department. There's also history working against us. The Columbine shooting inspired many copycat shooters, the Nashville shooter being one of them. I'm just spitballing here though, there's a clear greater motivation here that's adding to the violence.

 

[GATTACA!]

I can't really say, I'm just looking for an answer why there's far greater intent to shoot up schools here as oppose to Canada. The simple proliferation of guns isn't enough to increase the number of school shootings 96x, there has to be other factors involved. Could be the health care in Canada, perhaps ya'll do a better job handling mental health. Lord knows we suck in that department. There's also history working against us. The Columbine shooting inspired many copycat shooters, the Nashville shooter being one of them. I'm just spitballing here though, there's a clear greater motivation here that's adding to the violence.

I think we can at least agree the proliferation of guns isn’t helping the issue.