Nov 9 | Florida State

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Athletic directors just can't help themselves. These buyouts keep getting more ridiculous because ADs continue to hand them out like candy.

They're typically bidding against themselves.

If all of those dudes for FSU had suited up for that UGA game last year, maybe I look at that and say, "This guy has the locker room. The kids like him." That didn't happen. Even if it did, he's got a contract on paper that's already signed. Let's talk in a couple of years because even has good as Norvell's trajectory has been in his two jobs, a lot can turn and go sideways these days with the portal.

I think once Atkins comes back this will start to turn around a bit.

 

[Irish#1]

I read the thread way too fast and thought it was actually rg3 that said that. And I was thinking, "wow, losing his job really fucked him up"

The dude has already deleted his account. lol As one reply said, he went into the shitness protection program.

 

[Irish#1]

Miami from 2000-2002 was ridiculous. There is nowhere to go but down from 34 wins in a row and 17 NFL first round draft picks.

I think the biggest factor was probably the assistant coaches of those teams all eventually moving on to head coaching jobs. Bowden had Richt and Amato for a very long time. Once they both left for HC jobs, it fell off hard and fast.

Same can be said for Spurrier and Meyer at UF along with that Miami squad.

Just as ridiculous from '83 - '92. 11-1, 8-5, 10-2, 11-1, 12-0, 11-1, 11-1, 10-2, 12-0, 11-1.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Just as ridiculous from '83 - '92. 11-1, 8-5, 10-2, 11-1, 12-0, 11-1, 11-1, 10-2, 12-0, 11-1.

It was all pretty scary, yes. I'll take 34 straight wins and 17 first round draft picks in three seasons, though. That's incredible. Andre Johnson and Ed Reed on the same team.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Miami from 2000-2002 was ridiculous. There is nowhere to go but down from 34 wins in a row and 17 NFL first round draft picks.

I think the biggest factor was probably the assistant coaches of those teams all eventually moving on to head coaching jobs. Bowden had Richt and Amato for a very long time. Once they both left for HC jobs, it fell off hard and fast.

Same can be said for Spurrier and Meyer at UF along with that Miami squad.

The 2001 Canes team is the greatest team in college football history, and I'll never be convinced otherwise.

If Butch Davis doesn't take the Browns job after the 2001 Rose Bowl, there's a pretty solid chance they win the next two (2) national championships. Coker was by all accounts a buffoon, and he still managed 11 and 9 wins in the next two seasons.

 

[Katzenboyer]

It was all pretty scary, yes. I'll take 34 straight wins and 17 first round draft picks in three seasons, though. That's incredible. Andre Johnson and Ed Reed on the same team.

Ed Reed's backup was Sean Taylor. The backup running backs on that team were Frank Gore and Willis McGahee, and Clinton Portis was part of a running back by committee with Najeh Davenport.

Vince Wilfork was a third-stringer on that team.

Just ridiculous.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The 2001 Canes team is the greatest team in college football history, and I'll never be convinced otherwise.

If Butch Davis doesn't take the Browns job after the 2001 Rose Bowl, there's a pretty solid chance they win the next two (2) national championships. Coker was by all accounts a buffoon, and he still managed 11 and 9 wins in the next two seasons.

I don't disagree. Best team of my lifetime. That's with Ken Dorsey at QB, too. Tressel took away their run game and exposed Dorsey. Maybe if Kellen Winslow had 20 catches instead of 11 they beat Ohio State. That team was absolutely loaded.

Ed Reed's backup was Sean Taylor. The backup running backs on that team were Frank Gore and Willis McGahee, and Clinton Portis was part of a running back by committee with Najeh Davenport.

Vince Wilfork was a third-stringer on that team.

Just ridiculous.

My daughter played club soccer with Jarrett Payton's daughter up until this last June. The stories he told me about the RB room. It's crazy. If you were hurt or injured, you were done. Not only does the next guy take your spot, but you're effectively buried down the depth chart.

Sean Taylor is probably the best safety I've ever laid eyes on to this point.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I don't disagree. Best team of my lifetime. That's with Ken Dorsey at QB, too. Tressel took away their run game and exposed Dorsey. Maybe if Kellen Winslow had 20 catches instead of 11 they beat Ohio State. That team was absolutely loaded.


My daughter played club soccer with Jarrett Payton's daughter up until this last June. The stories he told me about the RB room. It's crazy. If you were hurt or injured, you were done. Not only does the next guy take your spot, but you're effectively buried down the depth chart.

Sean Taylor is probably the best safety I've ever laid eyes on to this point.

Yep. Another crazy illustration of how stacked those teams were: Willis McGahee's knee basically exploded during the 2002 national championship game, and the dude decided to enter the draft anyways because he knew he was never going to beat out Frank Gore for the #1 RB role for the Canes the following year. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Sorry for the aside.

FSU sucks. We should be 10+ point favorites come November.

 

[ND7983]

The 2001 Canes team is the greatest team in college football history, and I'll never be convinced otherwise.

If Butch Davis doesn't take the Browns job after the 2001 Rose Bowl, there's a pretty solid chance they win the next two (2) national championships. Coker was by all accounts a buffoon, and he still managed 11 and 9 wins in the next two seasons.

1966 ND is still the leader in All Americans, draft picks & NFL Hall of Famers.

 

[Katzenboyer]

1966 ND is still the leader in All Americans, draft picks & NFL Hall of Famers.

If I'm reading things correctly, ND had 12 players from the 1966 team go on to get drafted in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft. That 2001 Miami team had 17 first rounders.

The difference of 35 years makes it a real tough comparison, but if there's one thing that sets the 2001 Canes team apart, it's that top end talent.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If I'm reading things correctly, ND had 12 players from the 1966 team go on to get drafted in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft. That 2001 Miami team had 17 first rounders.

The difference of 35 years makes it a real tough comparison, but if there's one thing that sets the 2001 Canes team apart, it's that top end talent.

Considering in 1966 Larry Coker was a freshman in college, I'd say this is not only accurate, but consider that Sean Taylor might have been as big as some of the DL in that 1966 era and he played safety in his own.

 

[SWirishfan]

Sean Taylor is probably the best safety I've ever laid eyes on to this point.

Except he did know how to use the safety.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Except he did know how to use the safety.

Edit: On second thought, nevermind. Carry on.

 

[IrishLax]

They're typically bidding against themselves.

If all of those dudes for FSU had suited up for that UGA game last year, maybe I look at that and say, "This guy has the locker room. The kids like him." That didn't happen. Even if it did, he's got a contract on paper that's already signed. Let's talk in a couple of years because even has good as Norvell's trajectory has been in his two jobs, a lot can turn and go sideways these days with the portal.

I think once Atkins comes back this will start to turn around a bit.

We should give Swarbrick credit for not extending Kelly again. It was one of the main reasons Kelly walked, and in hindsight it was shrewd to say “no” when no one else in CFB seems capable of doing so.

What drives a lot of these deals is that you are more likely to get fired as the AD losing a coach + hiring a new one that isn’t as good than you are overpaying to keep a coach + the coach doing poorly later. Boosters/admin will stomach a buyout but they won’t stomach embarrassment.

 

[Irish#1]

Considering in 1966 Larry Coker was a freshman in college, I'd say this is not only accurate, but consider that Sean Taylor might have been as big as some of the DL in that 1966 era and he played safety in his own.

Not only was Sean Taylor bigger, everyone else is as well. It all balances out.

 

[IrishTusker]

If I'm reading things correctly, ND had 12 players from the 1966 team go on to get drafted in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft. That 2001 Miami team had 17 first rounders.

The difference of 35 years makes it a real tough comparison, but if there's one thing that sets the 2001 Canes team apart, it's that top end talent.

The 2001 Miami team had 5 first-rounders, and 11 players drafted overall. That's more than the 1966 team, though,

 

[Katzenboyer]

The 2001 Miami team had 5 first-rounders, and 11 players drafted overall. That's more than the 1966 team, though,

Are you talking for the 2001 NFL Draft? Because the 2001 Miami team had seventeen players overall taken in the first round.

Ed Reed
Andre Johnson
Sean Taylor
Kellen Winslow II
Antrell Rolle
Bryant McKinnie
Jonathan Vilma
Jeremy Shockey
Jerome McDougle
Phillip Buchanon
DJ Williams
Vernon Carey
Vince Wilfork
Willis McGahee
William Joseph
Mike Rumph
Kelly Jennings

All first rounders.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Are you talking for the 2001 NFL Draft? Because the 2001 Miami team had seventeen players overall taken in the first round.

Ed Reed
Andre Johnson
Sean Taylor
Kellen Winslow II
Antrell Rolle
Bryant McKinnie
Jonathan Vilma
Jeremy Shockey
Jerome McDougle
Phillip Buchanon
DJ Williams
Vernon Carey
Vince Wilfork
Willis McGahee
William Joseph
Mike Rumph
Kelly Jennings

All first rounders.

And five of those guys are all-time greats in CFB, 4 were great in the NFL. Reed, Taylor, Shockey and Vince Wilfork were in the top tier of their position. The most loaded team I've ever seen.

 

[Katzenboyer]

And five of those guys are all-time greats in CFB, 4 were great in the NFL. Reed, Taylor, Shockey and Vince Wilfork were in the top tier of their position. The most loaded team I've ever seen.

McKinnie, Shockey, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma, and Willis McGahee were also fantastic college players and good/great pros, and Clinton Portis had a fantastic career even though he wasn't a first rounder.

It was just an absurd collection of talent.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

McKinnie, Shockey, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma, and Willis McGahee were also fantastic college players and good/great pros, and Clinton Portis had a fantastic career even though he wasn't a first rounder.

It was just an absurd collection of talent.

Different type of team but they still would have struggled with that 95 Nebraska team.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Different type of team but they still would have struggled with that 95 Nebraska team.

It's hard for me to agree seeing as Miami kicked the crap out of a Nebraska team six (6) years later in the national championship - a team that ran the same offense as the '95 Huskers, and didn't do much else.

Was the personnel on the 1995 team anything so outrageous that it would have caused Miami to "struggle"? Because they absolutely dominated the Cornhuskers that year.

I mean, it was 34-0 at halftime. Miami could have won that game by 100 if it wanted to.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Different type of team but they still would have struggled with that 95 Nebraska team.

Struggled? They might've scored and it might've even been a game if Nebraska played their best game of the year but that Miami defense was disgusting. I think they'd have beat the brakes off that Nebraska team and I have respect for them. I just don't think they could've controlled possession/running lanes.

 

[KMac151993]

It's hard for me to agree seeing as Miami kicked the crap out of a Nebraska team six (6) years later in the national championship - a team that ran the same offense as the '95 Huskers, and didn't do much else.

Not sure it is fair to compare the '95 Huskers to the '01 Huskers that gave up 62 points to Colorado. The '95 Huskers beat the '01 Huskers by 100 too.

The '01 Huskers were SOOOO overrated...their two best wins were Oklahoma and ND...and we know how ND's season in '01 went.

 

[IA4irish]

Bruce Feldman mentioned on his podcast with Stew Mandel that FSU is paying their starting 4 defensive linemen roughly $2 million dollars this year. That has been an awful return on investment so far

 

[ThePiombino]

Bruce Feldman mentioned on his podcast with Stew Mandel that FSU is paying their starting 4 defensive linemen roughly $2 million dollars this year. That has been an awful return on investment so far

I think NIL has largely proven to not be a great ROI when used as pay-for-play, no?

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[greyhammer90]

I think NIL has largely proven to not be a great ROI when used as pay-for-play, no?

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Every booster group when they decide to overhaul their entire roster for the best mercenaries that money can buy:

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think NIL has largely proven to not be a great ROI when used as pay-for-play, no?

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It worked for them last year. I think if anything, it proves that it's risky and cannot be the relied on as the primary strategy. Big difference in FSU approach and say OSU approach. Both spend big, but do it differently.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Bruce Feldman mentioned on his podcast with Stew Mandel that FSU is paying their starting 4 defensive linemen roughly $2 million dollars this year. That has been an awful return on investment so far

So far they’ve had a $1/yd ROI. That’s not good?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

It's hard for me to agree seeing as Miami kicked the crap out of a Nebraska team six (6) years later in the national championship - a team that ran the same offense as the '95 Huskers, and didn't do much else.

Was the personnel on the 1995 team anything so outrageous that it would have caused Miami to "struggle"? Because they absolutely dominated the Cornhuskers that year.

I mean, it was 34-0 at halftime. Miami could have won that game by 100 if it wanted to.

Huge difference in personnel. Tommy Frazier was probably the best option QB of all time and had Lawrence Phillips and Ahman Green in the backfield vs Eric Crouch and whoever else the 01 team had. The defense and Oline was much better too. Miami may bery well have been able to beat them, but it would have been a struggle. That power I option with their personnel was deadly. Truth is we’ll never know but that one would been an incredible treat to watch if it were somehow possible.