2024 Fall Camp Thread

[stlnd01]

I was just answering his question. But I do wish I could be so even-keeled and perspective as you.

I long to just be able to put out a cheese and cracker tray, some chips/dips, maybe invite the neighbors over and leisurely sit back and enjoy a rousing matchup between my Irish and the Aggies.

How I wish I could waive away another a## ####ing at the hands of an elite team by saying things like "Well gee whiz gosh darn if we hadn't lost just this one player on defense and our entire offense didn't blow maybe we only lose by 13 or so instead of 31 in one of our only opportunities to take a step closer to winning a championship for the first time in the past 30 years. Ho hum Ho hum."

I'm envious that you have enjoyed the team since 2017 whereby they have lost by a significant margin against every elite team they have played and not looked like they belonged on the field, continued struggling scrapping by wins against decent opponents that elite teams consistently beat by 21+, artificially benefitted from a historical down period of one of our primary rivals and the cowardly and strategic absence of another primary rival and also multiple crap the bed performances--especially since our current head coach has taken the helm.

But that's just extremely difficult to do when your very birth right has been violently and swiftly ripped away from you as a young boy by Mike Wadsworth and a collection of other bumbling incompetents.

So I will continue to rage/anger cheer/post until the past wrongs have been righted.

Get over yourself Mike. "Birth right" doesn't have shit to do with anything.

I'm probably the same age you are, likewise raised on Notre Dame football. First season I remember watching was 1987. First game I attended was 1990 and we were #1 in the country. I'll never forget the Stepan Center pep rally the night before. It was bananas. I was fortunate enough to go to Notre Dame in the later 90s and we all thought we'd win a title before we graduated, just like Lou had promised.

Then I grew up. I love this sport but it's just a game played by a bunch of overgrown teenagers. And there's lots of good programs out there. Ours is still one of the best, in so many ways. If you can't enjoy and be proud of that, I don't know what to tell you. (And no I haven't watched a game with a civilian or some unwitting neighbor in years either. Who does that?)

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I was just answering his question. But I do wish I could be so even-keeled and perspective as you.

I long to just be able to put out a cheese and cracker tray, some chips/dips, maybe invite the neighbors over and leisurely sit back and enjoy a rousing matchup between my Irish and the Aggies.

How I wish I could waive away another a## ####ing at the hands of an elite team by saying things like "Well gee whiz gosh darn if we hadn't lost just this one player on defense and our entire offense didn't blow maybe we only lose by 13 or so instead of 31 in one of our only opportunities to take a step closer to winning a championship for the first time in the past 30 years. Ho hum Ho hum."

I'm envious that you have enjoyed the team since 2017 whereby they have lost by a significant margin against every elite team they have played and not looked like they belonged on the field, continued struggling scrapping by wins against decent opponents that elite teams consistently beat by 21+, artificially benefitted from a historical down period of one of our primary rivals and the cowardly and strategic absence of another primary rival and also multiple crap the bed performances--especially since our current head coach has taken the helm.

But that's just extremely difficult to do when your very birth right has been violently and swiftly ripped away from you as a young boy by Mike Wadsworth and a collection of other bumbling incompetents.

So I will continue to rage/anger cheer/post until the past wrongs have been righted.

 

[T-Boone]

Any fall camp news fellas?

 

[a mike]

I could see maybe the first go around--but when a person claims something as preposterous as having a birth right to a winning football program twice in one afternoon you would think critical thinking skills and discernment would begin to kick in.

I apologize for ruffling everyone's feathers--but the original post was just an over-the-top satire response to Confuscious freaking out on me for making an innocent joke about Tenuta's blitzes never getting home.

I thought on the second go around everyone would get the bit but I guess I may have overestimated some IQs.

Please sleep easy tonight knowing that I don't actually claim birth rights to ND having a successful football program. But I will still probably anger/hate post/cheer for sure because I don't like it when one of my teams is not performing to my own personal expectations--hopefully that's okay?

 

[stlnd01]

I could see maybe the first go around--but when a person claims something as preposterous as having a birth right to a winning football program twice in one afternoon you would think critical thinking skills and discernment would begin to kick in.

I apologize for ruffling everyone's feathers--but the original post was just an over-the-top satire response to Confuscious freaking out on me for making an innocent joke about Tenuta's blitzes never getting home.

I thought on the second go around everyone would get the bit but I guess I may have overestimated some IQs.

Please sleep easy tonight knowing that I don't actually claim birth rights to ND having a successful football program. But I will still probably anger/hate post/cheer for sure because I don't like it when one of my teams is not performing to my own personal expectations--hopefully that's okay?

Ha. Fair. Perhaps I missed the bit on birth rights because I know enough people of our generation and older who really seem to feel that way. Have you been over to ND Nation?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Washington's OL last year was pretty good though

I mean, I feel like ND's is going to be pretty good too.

UW's OL is kind of an inverse of us going into this year. The tackles were established, as both Rosengarten and Fautanu were quality tackles going into the season, but the interior was a question mark.

For ND, the interior looks to be really good with Schrauth, Craig and one of Coogan/Spindler. It's the tackle spot that remains the question, but you have an experienced 5th year at potentially one spot and a 3rd year athletic freak at the other.

Rudolph has to earn his paycheck this year, but I can see them producing similarly to UW.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I could see maybe the first go around--but when a person claims something as preposterous as having a birth right to a winning football program twice in one afternoon you would think critical thinking skills and discernment would begin to kick in.

I apologize for ruffling everyone's feathers--but the original post was just an over-the-top satire response to Confuscious freaking out on me for making an innocent joke about Tenuta's blitzes never getting home.

I thought on the second go around everyone would get the bit but I guess I may have overestimated some IQs.

Please sleep easy tonight knowing that I don't actually claim birth rights to ND having a successful football program. But I will still probably anger/hate post/cheer for sure because I don't like it when one of my teams is not performing to my own personal expectations--hopefully that's okay?

There was no freak out so it's not a valid excuse for a rather pedestrian attempt at humor.

Your posts, depending on the topic, are part rage, part passive-aggression and never edifying.

Everyone here wants a championship and our positivity or excitement can't be mistaken for acceptance of mediocrity because we have no direct (or indirect) influence on the program. We are fans. Fanatics who cheer on the team of our choosing. As I said originally, this isn't an instructional so everyone is free to post and engage how they see fit.

The clock keeps ticking and the energy we put into the world is often returned back to us. At this point in my life, my free time is spent on things I enjoy or that bring others joy because you never know when chaos is waiting around the corner.

 

[a mike]

Ha. Fair. Perhaps I missed the bit on birth rights because I know enough people of our generation and older who really seem to feel that way. Have you been over to ND Nation?

Oh yes, lurked on there from probably about 1997 (when I would have been middle schooler) up until 2016 season.

Had to move on though because they all went from being what I would assume were pretty chill guys in their late-20s to mid-30s in 1997 to grumpy old boomer types by 2016. It was kinda interesting watching the transformation.

I think most only know them as the grumpy types but it was better good board in those earlier years. Funny and some good football talk.

They all never seemed to get over Kelly's first few years and his obvious disregard for what they consider violation the sanctity of their alma mater and collectively fell some form of Kelly Derangement Syndrome for a better part of a decade that totally impeded them and hijacked their objectivity and rationality.

 

[a mike]

There was no freak out

Okay if you say so. But you posted a 1,000 word lecture/pondering about the validity of the world's collective fandom and it's causes/effects from a simple joke about a proved woefully incompetent DC who coached at the school like 20 yrs ago

a rather pedestrian attempt at humor.

Sorry you're jealous of it/me.

I do think you're a good poster; however get a little too frantic towards skewed negative items.

No shade--peace

 

[IrishLax]

Marshall and Stanford were not even close to the worst losses.

I was personally in attendance to losses to Navy in 07 and 09, a 3 win Syracuse team, Uconn, and Tulsa...

I was also at the marshall game and witnessed that one in person.

For real, I was at Navy '07 and that was basically the nadir. The Syracuse loss was the exclamation point. In my opinion, it's also what spurred ND to get serious again about football, so maybe hitting rock bottom was a good thing.

 

[EvilleIrish]

For real, I was at Navy '07 and that was basically the nadir. The Syracuse loss was the exclamation point. In my opinion, it's also what spurred ND to get serious again about football, so maybe hitting rock bottom was a good thing.

Could you expand on making ND get serious about football again? Just curious.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

For real, I was at Navy '07 and that was basically the nadir. The Syracuse loss was the exclamation point. In my opinion, it's also what spurred ND to get serious again about football, so maybe hitting rock bottom was a good thing.

I was at the Syracuse game. One of the worst days that became dark comedy. It was bitter cold that day, between a friend and myself, we probably consumed 10-12 of the hot chocolates they were passing out. Student section was throwing snow balls at the team, had to go into the restrooms just to try and warm-up your fingers. We did not dress for that weather. My face felt chapped from the bitter wind that cut through our clothes and shoes. By far the worst game day experience I've ever had.

People were joking about Syracuse until midway through the 4th quarter and then we all started to realize, "we're really going to lose this game too". It was like the bottom had fallen out of an already terrible season. If I'm not mistaken, Manti was there on a recruiting visit and still chose the Irish.

 

[ndfanatic78]

I saw some Oline making holes in that clip.

 

[Blazers46]

I saw some Oline making holes in that clip.

Great, the defense sucks again…

 

[IrishLax]

Could you expand on making ND get serious about football again? Just curious.

Basically ND had a president named Monk Molloy who tried to kill the football program because he thought the tail was wagging the dog. Davies oversaw a drop off in on field performance but also during his tenure all other serious teams started investing in facilities, etc. What we consider the baseline of modern college football.

After Davies and Willingham ND fucked up the HC search for a number of reasons but chief of which included lack of financial commitment to the HC, terrible facilities, no training table, poor support staff, etc. they ended up with Weis for bargain money. He had two good years and a lot of people were like "see we're fine with this status quo"... and but when the streak ended against Navy, it was above all else an embarrassment. And places like ND and the people who financially support / run ND don't take embarrassment well. There were a number of converging factors... Stanford getting very good at football honestly helped too... but by the time ND moved on to Kelly there was a "plan" to invest more in football and shake things up. ND is never going to be a Bama or Georgia but people tend to forget how in the late 90s early 00s ND's admin just gave zero shits about football and in fact actively undermined it at times.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Great, the defense sucks again…

🤣🤣🤣🤣 That was the perfect response for this site right now. No offense to the 90% of posters that are actually rational.

 

[GowerND11]

This whole birth right shit sounds like some pretentious Duke or Prince living in post WWI Europe telling everyone how he missed out on being King thanks to those pesky proletariats

 

[Bluto]

Marshall and Stanford were not even close to the worst losses.

I was personally in attendance to losses to Navy in 07 and 09, a 3 win Syracuse team, Uconn, and Tulsa...

I was also at the marshall game and witnessed that one in person.

Uhmmm…maybe you should consider not going to anymore ND games? Just sayin.

 

[GoIrish41]

There wasn't any.

My recollection is that most of the fan base was pissed when he got hired as OC.

 

[irishandy]

99.9% there is always hype- it may be about a coach, a player, the last win from the last season, hype videos from online.

Last season it was Hartman, he was the #1 QB from the transfer portal.

This season has plenty of hype- Leonard/Denbrock story, our defense, the Aussie punter who could make headlines just to name a few.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Basically ND had a president named Monk Molloy who tried to kill the football program because he thought the tail was wagging the dog. Davies oversaw a drop off in on field performance but also during his tenure all other serious teams started investing in facilities, etc. What we consider the baseline of modern college football.

After Davies and Willingham ND fucked up the HC search for a number of reasons but chief of which included lack of financial commitment to the HC, terrible facilities, no training table, poor support staff, etc. they ended up with Weis for bargain money. He had two good years and a lot of people were like "see we're fine with this status quo"... and but when the streak ended against Navy, it was above all else an embarrassment. And places like ND and the people who financially support / run ND don't take embarrassment well. There were a number of converging factors... Stanford getting very good at football honestly helped too... but by the time ND moved on to Kelly there was a "plan" to invest more in football and shake things up. ND is never going to be a Bama or Georgia but people tend to forget how in the late 90s early 00s ND's admin just gave zero shits about football and in fact actively undermined it at times.

Makes sense. Appreciate the writeup.

 

[PolishDomer]

I was at the Syracuse game. One of the worst days that became dark comedy. It was bitter cold that day, between a friend and myself, we probably consumed 10-12 of the hot chocolates they were passing out. Student section was throwing snow balls at the team, had to go into the restrooms just to try and warm-up your fingers. We did not dress for that weather. My face felt chapped from the bitter wind that cut through our clothes and shoes. By far the worst game day experience I've ever had.

People were joking about Syracuse until midway through the 4th quarter and then we all started to realize, "we're really going to lose this game too". It was like the bottom had fallen out of an already terrible season. If I'm not mistaken, Manti was there on a recruiting visit and still chose the Irish.

I was at the game as well...crazy weather and cold as heck...I remember Manti was there on his recruiting visit...him being there was the highlight. We were sitting next to the student section, and I could tell he was having a great time...its still amazing to me that he chose ND in the end.

 

[irishandy]

I was at the game as well...crazy weather and cold as heck...I remember Manti was there on his recruiting visit...him being there was the highlight. We were sitting next to the student section, and I could tell he was having a great time...its still amazing to me that he chose ND in the end.

I was also at the Syracuse game, I couldn't feel my feet and I kept telling my dad ND was going to come back.

The student section snowball fight was more entertaining than the game.

The Manti visit was the most memorable thing that came out of that game, his dad doing snow angels in the end zone.

 

[INLaw]

I was also at the Syracuse game … sucked

 

[arrowryan]

I walked around campus yesterday and checked on the progress of the new practice facility. Jayden Harrison was walking outside. He’s bigger than what I would’ve expected.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Cross supposedly was hurt today

 

[IrishFanForever23]

Cross supposedly was hurt today

Great, just what they needed.

 

[IA4irish]

Cross supposedly was hurt today

Not the news we needed today

 

[WildMan1]

Sampson mentioned it was just load management for Cross today.. nothing to it.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I was also at the Syracuse game … sucked

I watched it on tv.
Tough times.