Another Shooting

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[ab2cmiller]

Regarding Rittenhouse... I get why a lot of people defended him at the moment. But to see some people try to glorify this guy as a hero is actually quite disturbing. The kid made a stupid decision to place himself in that situation. Nothing more, nothing less. To see organizations seeking out this guy as a speaker at events is perplexing.

 

[NorthDakota]

I got a 94 or something like that on it in high school,

Dude is an idiot and the people who elevated him into some symbol really did him (and themselves) a disservice.

After he got the not guilty verdict, he should have put out a statement that he was pleased/relieved or whatever and went into hiding

 

[ulukinatme]

Regarding Rittenhouse... I get why a lot of people defended him at the moment. But to see some people try to glorify this guy as a hero is actually quite disturbing. The kid made a stupid decision to place himself in that situation. Nothing more, nothing less. To see organizations seeking out this guy as a speaker at events is perplexing.

I think the people that decided to assault him made a stupid decision to put themselves in that situation. Rittenhouse seemed to be there with good intentions until Rosenbaum threatened his life and then later chased him down. The video evidence was compelling. That said, I'm not a fan of how Rittenhouse has used the event to capitalize off it, but I'm guessing he's having a hard time finding gainful employment given the divisive aura he puts out. He had similar issues getting enrolled at a college I believe, but he's not the brightest bulb either. I think the media and social media in particular did a lot to spread misinformation about the conflict, spreading garbage like the men he shot were black, or that he shot the protestors in cold blood. It screwed with public perceptions before the trial even began.

He's no hero, but he's not a villain either. Rosenbaum was a pedophile that escalated the situation, I feel like karma came for him. Huber was no saint either, having a past with domestic violence, but he made a stupid decision to hit Rittenhouse with the skateboard and try to take the gun. Gage tried to pull his gun and was lucky to walk away with just a shot bicep. Jury got the right verdict.

 

[GowerND11]

I think the people that decided to assault him made a stupid decision to put themselves in that situation. Rittenhouse seemed to be there with good intentions until Rosenbaum threatened his life and then later chased him down. The video evidence was compelling. That said, I'm not a fan of how Rittenhouse has used the event to capitalize off it, but I'm guessing he's having a hard time finding gainful employment given the divisive aura he puts out. He had similar issues getting enrolled at a college I believe, but he's not the brightest bulb either. I think the media and social media in particular did a lot to spread misinformation about the conflict, spreading garbage like the men he shot were black, or that he shot the protestors in cold blood. It screwed with public perceptions before the trial even began.

He's no hero, but he's not a villain either. Rosenbaum was a pedophile that escalated the situation, I feel like karma came for him. Huber was no saint either, having a past with domestic violence, but he made a stupid decision to hit Rittenhouse with the skateboard and try to take the gun. Gage tried to pull his gun and was lucky to walk away with just a shot bicep. Jury got the right verdict.

I can never get behind this argument. Kid was 17 from ANOTHER STATE, and came armed during civil unrest. That isn't good intentions, that is looking for adventure.

I can agree that those who attacked him were also wrong, stupid really, to attack and chase a guy with a gun, but, while we can all argue about what was going on in Kenosha to begin with, Rittenhouse had no business being there.

 

[NorthDakota]

I can never get behind this argument. Kid was 17 from ANOTHER STATE, and came armed during civil unrest. That isn't good intentions, that is looking for adventure.

I can agree that those who attacked him were also wrong, stupid really, to attack and chase a guy with a gun, but, while we can all argue about what was going on in Kenosha to begin with, Rittenhouse had no business being there.

I'm not following the "another state" thing. He's from a town next door. I think he worked there too?

 

[GowerND11]

I'm not following the "another state" thing. He's from a town next door. I think he worked there too?

Illinois to Wisconsin. They are next door, but he still crossed state lines.

My biggest issue is who lets a 17 year old do that? He was absolutely wrong to defend places as a minor. He was setting himself up for issues. Even if I do think he acted in self defense when s hit the fan.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I got a 94 or something like that on it in high school,

Dude is an idiot and the people who elevated him into some symbol really did him (and themselves) a disservice.

After he got the not guilty verdict, he should have put out a statement that he was pleased/relieved or whatever and went into hiding

Agreed. It’s like watching our President. You know he’s senile or demented so don’t push him out in the public square to embarrass himself. That’s what they did to Rittenhouse. WTH were his parents thinking?! Never mind.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Illinois to Wisconsin. They are next door, but he still crossed state lines.

My biggest issue is who lets a 17 year old do that? He was absolutely wrong to defend places as a minor. He was setting himself up for issues. Even if I do think he acted in self defense when s hit the fan.

This is a good take. Well done.

 

[ulukinatme]

I can never get behind this argument. Kid was 17 from ANOTHER STATE, and came armed during civil unrest. That isn't good intentions, that is looking for adventure.

I can agree that those who attacked him were also wrong, stupid really, to attack and chase a guy with a gun, but, while we can all argue about what was going on in Kenosha to begin with, Rittenhouse had no business being there.

He was literally running to the car lot with a fire extinguisher to put out a fire when Rosenbaum started chasing him down. The trial also showed that he had a med kit there and offered help to injured people. The whole state line thing is outrage fuel, it was the neighboring town about 20 minutes away and he had multiple family members that lived in Kenosha including his father.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He was literally running to the car lot with a fire extinguisher to put out a fire when Rosenbaum started chasing him down. The trial also showed that he had a med kit there and offered help to injured people. The whole state line thing is outrage fuel, it was the neighboring town about 20 minutes away and he had multiple family members that lived in Kenosha including his father.

I agree the whole state line talking point is kind of silly. He may have had the best of intentions in going there. But it was still an incredibly stupid choice for anyone to insert themselves amongst the mob. If you are only 17 and insert yourselves, you have achieved an elite level of stupidity.

 

[GowerND11]

He was literally running to the car lot with a fire extinguisher to put out a fire when Rosenbaum started chasing him down. The trial also showed that he had a med kit there and offered help to injured people. The whole state line thing is outrage fuel, it was the neighboring town about 20 minutes away and he had multiple family members that lived in Kenosha including his father.

It's still a boundary. If you are going to talk about state lines not mattering, we have one of those slippery slope arguments here that many "conservatives" like to start...

And he may have been doing all of that (may as in, yes he was), but a 17 year old, who in the eyes of the law is a CHILD, should not have been in that situation with a rifle. There is zero reason for him to have been doing any of it. He is a victim of poor guidance, and awful right wing propaganda.

 

[ulukinatme]

I agree the whole state line talking point is kind of silly. He may have had the best of intentions in going there. But it was still an incredibly stupid choice for anyone to insert themselves amongst the mob. If you are only 17 and insert yourselves, you have achieved an elite level of stupidity.

No arguments there. Like I said, he's not the brightest bulb.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's still a boundary. If you are going to talk about state lines not mattering, we have one of those slippery slope arguments here that many "conservatives" like to start...

And he may have been doing all of that (may as in, yes he was), but a 17 year old, who in the eyes of the law is a CHILD, should not have been in that situation with a rifle. There is zero reason for him to have been doing any of it. He is a victim of poor guidance, and awful right wing propaganda.

Was it illegal for him to go to Kenosha? Tell me why the state line matters one bit. "Should not" is a lot different from "could not." It was found he was legally allowed to have the rifle there, he was cleared of any charges. He was stupid to put himself in that position, no doubt, but given Rosenbaum's death threats earlier in the evening and then later deciding to chase Rittenhouse down, what could the result have been had Rittenhouse not brought the rifle? Rosenbaum has already spent 12 years in prison for being a pedophile, and given his actions that night he clearly had no fear of going back to prison.

 

[GowerND11]

Was it illegal for him to go to Kenosha? Tell me why the state line matters one bit. "Should not" is a lot different from "could not." It was found he was legally allowed to have the rifle there, he was cleared of any charges. He was stupid to put himself in that position, no doubt, but given Rosenbaum's death threats earlier in the evening and then later deciding to chase Rittenhouse down, what could the result have been had Rittenhouse not brought the rifle? Rosenbaum has already spent 12 years in prison for being a pedophile, and given his actions that night he clearly had no fear of going back to prison.

I'm not saying anything about the people he shot. I'm saying Rittenhouse also should have removed himself from the situation from the beginning. He should not have left home with a rifle (legal or not) to stand guard over businesses. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it was ok to do. Rittenhouse put himself in an unnecessary scenario that was inherently dangerous.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not saying anything about the people he shot. I'm saying Rittenhouse also should have removed himself from the situation from the beginning. He should not have left home with a rifle (legal or not) to stand guard over businesses. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it was ok to do. Rittenhouse put himself in an unnecessary scenario that was inherently dangerous.

Is it legal or okay to deface or destroy property? Is it legal or okay to set fires in a city? Is it legal or okay to assault other people unprovoked?

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not saying anything about the people he shot. I'm saying Rittenhouse also should have removed himself from the situation from the beginning. He should not have left home with a rifle (legal or not) to stand guard over businesses. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it was ok to do. Rittenhouse put himself in an unnecessary scenario that was inherently dangerous.

Yeah vigilantism is wild.

 

[GowerND11]

Is it legal or okay to deface or destroy property? Is it legal or okay to set fires in a city? Is it legal or okay to assault other people unprovoked?

No.

Jesus Christ... I've said numerous times what others were doing was wrong...

 

[NorthDakota]

Illinois to Wisconsin. They are next door, but he still crossed state lines.

My biggest issue is who lets a 17 year old do that? He was absolutely wrong to defend places as a minor. He was setting himself up for issues. Even if I do think he acted in self defense when s hit the fan.

Right, I'm just asking what relevance the state lines have?

I'm with you that he had no business going there and whatever benefit in celebrity/notoriety he obtained was clearly not worth it.

 

[ulukinatme]

No.

Jesus Christ... I've said numerous times what others were doing was wrong...

Sure, and if Rittenhouse had done something wrong he would have been found guilty. Quite frankly the state and local governments failed us during the riots. State guard should have been called in to assist in areas where understaffed and ill-equipped police were unable to prevent the riots from getting out of hand. It should have never spiraled like it did.

 

[NorthDakota]

Sure, and if Rittenhouse had done something wrong he would have been found guilty. Quite frankly the state and local governments failed us during the riots. State guard should have been called in to assist in areas where understaffed and ill-equipped police were unable to prevent the riots from getting out of hand. It should have never spiraled like it did.

I would rephrase this I think. I don't think it's particularly debatable he did something wrong. A bona fide idiot kid should not be there. Guys like him should be larping with foam swords like in the movie Role Models.

That said, being an idiot and in the wrong place isn't a crime. If you dropped someone who should've been there (maybe an adult?) in that situation at the time that creepy pedo started coming after him, he didn't do anything wrong.

He shot the psycho running after him. Fair.
He shot the dude trying to beat or kill him with the skateboard. Fair.
He eliminated the threat from the dude who pulled a gun...without killing him. Fair.

It's sorta impressive such an idiot actually did pretty good in the dumb situation he put himself in.

 

[ulukinatme]

I would rephrase this I think. I don't think it's particularly debatable he did something wrong. A bona fide idiot kid should not be there. Guys like him should be larping with foam swords like in the movie Role Models.

That said, being an idiot and in the wrong place isn't a crime. If you dropped someone who should've been there (maybe an adult?) in that situation at the time that creepy pedo started coming after him, he didn't do anything wrong.

He shot the psycho running after him. Fair.
He shot the dude trying to beat or kill him with the skateboard. Fair.
He eliminated the threat from the dude who pulled a gun...without killing him. Fair.

It's sorta impressive such an idiot actually did pretty good in the dumb situation he put himself in.

I think there were a lot of people in the wrong place that night. Between Rittenhouse and the people that were there to cause damage and loot he had the better of intentions. That doesn't mean he wasn't stupid for being there in the first place. I fail to see where he did anything wrong. Based on his actions he offered medical assistance to people, cleaned graffiti off a school, he attempted to put out a fire, and then he was chased down and defended himself. The same day Rosenbaum was released from a hospital for a suicide attempt. I didn't see any accounts based on the trial where Rittenhouse initiated confrontations with protestors that night. It's not wrong to try and deter people from damaging property and looting, people have become too soft and lenient with rioters. It's criminal behavior, it shouldn't be tolerated. Governments should be the ones stepping in to keep the peace, it shouldn't fall to citizens.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/how-kyle-rittenhouse-went-cleaning-graffiti-shooting-3-people-2021-11-11/

 

[drayer54]

Yeah vigilantism is wild.

Thanks for clarifying that you have no idea what vigilantism is.

 

[TorontoGold]

Thanks for clarifying that you have no idea what vigilantism is.

a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)
broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

Think it's pretty clear that everyone agrees that Rittenhouse believes he was there to protect businesses from property damage, and self appointed himself to carry out justice because he believed that law enforcement was inadequate.

 

[drayer54]

a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)
broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

Think it's pretty clear that everyone agrees that Rittenhouse believes he was there to protect businesses from property damage, and self appointed himself to carry out justice because he believed that law enforcement was inadequate.

I think it was pretty clear to those who reviewed the facts of the evening and the video that was immediately available online that somehow surprised people later in court that justice was delivered with a not-guilty verdict.

Also- it is pretty apparent that the law enforcement was indeed inadequate.

 

[TorontoGold]

I think it was pretty clear to those who reviewed the facts of the evening and the video that was immediately available online that somehow surprised people later in court that justice was delivered with a not-guilty verdict.

Also- it is pretty apparent that the law enforcement was indeed inadequate.

What does this have to do with my comment? You said I didn't know what vigilantism is?

 

[drayer54]

What does this have to do with my comment? You said I didn't know what vigilantism is?

That’s because you said what he did was vigilantism. It was self-defense.

 

[TorontoGold]

That’s because you said what he did was vigilantism. It was self-defense.

a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)
broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

"Rittenhouse testified he was asked to help guard the business due to the threat of looting and arson. He brought a medical kit and says his objective was to provide aid to anyone injured." https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ho...eaning-graffiti-shooting-3-people-2021-11-11/

Why are you arguing this lmao, he got away with it! I can't believe you disagree with him being a vigilante. Brainworm stuff.

 

[RDU Irish]

Daniel Penny is a better case for vigilantism than Rittenhouse. Brainworm commies are the only ones who think Rittenhouse's self defense verdict is garbage. George Floyd is saint, Rittenhouse is the devil. At least Daniel Penny's prosecution will teach those evil vigilantes to STFU and let the defunded police take clean up the mess after the fact. David Dorn also a vigilante?

I get that big city folks can't imagine defending anything.

 

[ulukinatme]

The Daniel Penny situation is tragic. He probably did save a life that day and he's paying for it.