‘25 AR RB Daniel Anderson (“Offer”)

[PutuporShutup]

I think Payne is a great RB #3, he's a dog in short yardage and runs hard. He never goes backwards. Like a rich man's C'bo Flemister. We're all excited about the true freshman but with Ford moving and Estime gone, there will be plenty to go around.

I just remember a couple third and mediums we handed it to him on a great blocked play. Needed 6 got 5…. Osu and Clemson.

I like him as third back due to experience but not third down back due to lack of explosiveness.

 

[IrishLion]

3rd back, yes…

Full-time 3rd-down back? No. Let Price and Love cook, and figure out which of the two is best on 3rd down between pass pro and receiving ability.

I’d imagine that with his receiving ability and time in the program (and 2 years out from the achilles, now), Price has a really good shot at being a 3-down style back.

Even if Love is good enough to the “primary” back, Price is capable of playing on any down and in any situation, so as long as both are healthy, you don’t need to specialize your group and designate a particular 3rd-down RB.

Let Payne and the freshmen play when the game is under control, or if the top need a spell or extra time to heal bumps and bruises.

 

[NDWarrior]

I’m totally lost. What podcast said Payne should leave?

It was Tyler Wojciak and Luke Smith during their Locked On Irish Podcast

 

[ColinKSU]

it’s fair to be skeptical. However, McCollough has a proven track record, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I don't see it with Anderson, but I'm absolutely giving McCollough the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully they both prove me wrong.

 

[NDIrish000]

I don't see it with Anderson, but I'm absolutely giving McCollough the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully they both prove me wrong.

I believe he was hurt most of his Jr yr. However, it’s totally fair to have some doubts. I’m not totally sold either.

 

[BobbyMac]

Of course there’s diamonds in the rough, No one offered sauce because he wasn’t highly rated, Penn state was locking up singleton, many said nd should have offered Kerrigan,

I think you’re struggling to comprehend 4 star with bad film vs a player not highly rated and hasnt done much to warrant offer … I mean cmon man

Anderson film is not good, maybe he turns into Jamal Anderson but nothing says he will on film

There's diamonds in the rough all over the country, in every class. Great programs miss great prospects in their own backyard almost every cycle. It's so widespread that it's not a big deal and it's accepted as part of the process.

No one offered Sauce because he wasn't highly rated? Elite programs offer unranked/unrated players every cycle. That statement makes me unable to take you seriously. Coaches know what they want and they don't care what a washed out college tennis player writing for a recruiting industry website thinks about them. Have you ever had a face to face conversation with an industry analyst? It's not awe inspiring.

As far as Penn St, Audric and Singleton: Audric was enrolled at ND when Singleton committed to PSU. You do know they were in different classes right? If PSU didn't miss on Estime, why did they offer 21 other RB's, none of which besides Treveon Henderson, produced like Estime?

I'm not struggling to comprehend anything. I took a swipe at the internet as a whole who are hoping to process DA. Run DMc has earned the right to run his room as he sees fit. The fact that DA's available film and available stats do nothing for me is secondary to Run DMc's opinion as the leader of that room.

 

[NDIrish000]

There's diamonds in the rough all over the country, in every class. Great programs miss great prospects in their own backyard almost every cycle. It's so widespread that it's not a big deal and it's accepted as part of the process.

No one offered Sauce because he wasn't highly rated? Elite programs offer unranked/unrated players every cycle. That statement makes me unable to take you seriously. Coaches know what they want and they don't care what a washed out college tennis player writing for a recruiting industry website thinks about them. Have you ever had a face to face conversation with an industry analyst? It's not awe inspiring.

As far as Penn St, Audric and Singleton: Audric was enrolled at ND when Singleton committed to PSU. You do know they were in different classes right? If PSU didn't miss on Estime, why did they offer 21 other RB's, none of which besides Treveon Henderson, produced like Estime?

I'm not struggling to comprehend anything. I took a swipe at the internet as a whole who are hoping to process DA. Run DMc has earned the right to run his room as he sees fit. The fact that DA's available film and available stats do nothing for me is secondary to Run DMc's opinion as the leader of that room.

You can’t win at a high level relying on diamonds in the rough. This isn’t Iowa or Wisconsin.

McCollough has earned the benefit of the doubt, but not all coaches on staff (Brown, Bullough) have.

 

[CanadalovesND]

You can’t win at a high level relying on diamonds in the rough. This isn’t Iowa or Wisconsin.

McCollough has earned the benefit of the doubt, but not all coaches on staff (Brown, Bullough) have.

Every school takes diamonds in the rough. It’s imperative not to mostly comprise a class of these types of players. ND hasn’t. There are a few, but a good majority are not. There is projectability within the class.

It sucks that Anderson didn’t play much last season. But, winning MVP at a camp in Dallas of all places instills a bit more confidence on my end.

 

[NDIrish000]

Every school takes diamonds in the rough. It’s imperative not to mostly comprise a class of these types of players. ND hasn’t. There are a few, but a good majority are not. There is projectability within the class.

It sucks that Anderson didn’t play much last season. But, winning MVP at a camp in Dallas of all places instills a bit more confidence on my end.

The Blue Chip Ratio is too low for my liking

 

[a mike]

I don't see it with Anderson

The problem with Anderson is that he possessed no elite traits nor upside to have earned such an early offer

We're not talking about a guy like Thurman or Love who may have been raw but had explosiveness and long speed

I just don't see what the rush was

If they really liked him then keep him close and monitor but my gosh you just don't typically see non-elite running backs being takes before their junior years at a program like ND

And then he gets hurt his entire junior year but its pretty obvious McCullough still didn't bother to pivot at all and explore other options

Just a strange recruitment of a guy who nobody considered to be an elite back at the time nor high upside type

 

[PutuporShutup]

There's diamonds in the rough all over the country, in every class. Great programs miss great prospects in their own backyard almost every cycle. It's so widespread that it's not a big deal and it's accepted as part of the process.

No one offered Sauce because he wasn't highly rated? Elite programs offer unranked/unrated players every cycle. That statement makes me unable to take you seriously. Coaches know what they want and they don't care what a washed out college tennis player writing for a recruiting industry website thinks about them. Have you ever had a face to face conversation with an industry analyst? It's not awe inspiring.

As far as Penn St, Audric and Singleton: Audric was enrolled at ND when Singleton committed to PSU. You do know they were in different classes right? If PSU didn't miss on Estime, why did they offer 21 other RB's, none of which besides Treveon Henderson, produced like Estime?

I'm not struggling to comprehend anything. I took a swipe at the internet as a whole who are hoping to process DA. Run DMc has earned the right to run his room as he sees fit. The fact that DA's available film and available stats do nothing for me is secondary to Run DMc's opinion as the leader of that room.

I'll clarify. Sauce wasn't highly rated and wasn't highly coveted. In todays age, diamonds in the rough once they get noticed become coveted, even if the rankings don't catch up.

I'm not sure how ND was with Singleton and Estime but I know Penn State made a commitment to be all in on Singleton and allen to own their RB room, sometimes that means you don't take someone in the class before like ND did late with Estime. PSU did NOT take a rb in the class before after realizin they weren't goin to land a home run, ND ended up taking 2. Would ND have pushed hard for Estime late if they strongly believed they were going to land Singleton? My belief is that ND thought they had a good shot to land singleton but that changed end of 2020, so ND pushed hard for estime late and go thim. They still recruited Singleton, but he committed to psu not long after his official to ND. Penn State pretty much set up their RB room for Singleton and Allen to own it. Right or wrong, they've landed absolute stud rbs the last decade or so under franklin this way. ND is now recruiting as good as or better than PSU at RB, but that's just a recent change.

 

[brewdog_14527]

I'll clarify. Sauce wasn't highly rated and wasn't highly coveted. In todays age, diamonds in the rough once they get noticed become coveted, even if the rankings don't catch up.

I'm not sure how ND was with Singleton and Estime but I know Penn State made a commitment to be all in on Singleton and allen to own their RB room, sometimes that means you don't take someone in the class before like ND did late with Estime. PSU did NOT take a rb in the class before after realizin they weren't goin to land a home run, ND ended up taking 2. Would ND have pushed hard for Estime late if they strongly believed they were going to land Singleton? My belief is that ND thought they had a good shot to land singleton but that changed end of 2020, so ND pushed hard for estime late and go thim. They still recruited Singleton, but he committed to psu not long after his official to ND. Penn State pretty much set up their RB room for Singleton and Allen to own it. Right or wrong, they've landed absolute stud rbs the last decade or so under franklin this way. ND is now recruiting as good as or better than PSU at RB, but that's just a recent change.

I know you fancy yourself as the world's foremost authority, but the back that ND was all in on during Estime year was Will Shipley, who went to Clemson. Singleton to PSU was the year we took Price. The story out with Singleton was he was going to commit to ND after his visit until his dad got involved. Dad always thought he was going to PSU, but once dad realized ND was a real threat, he started pushing Penn State. Now, I am no expert, so I am not sure if that is the Singleton dad story is true, but 100% sure when ND missed on Shipley, they went to Diggs/Estime.

 

[Rocketman84]

The problem with Anderson is that he possessed no elite traits nor upside to have earned such an early offer

We're not talking about a guy like Thurman or Love who may have been raw but had explosiveness and long speed

I just don't see what the rush was

If they really liked him then keep him close and monitor but my gosh you just don't typically see non-elite running backs being takes before their junior years at a program like ND

And then he gets hurt his entire junior year but its pretty obvious McCullough still didn't bother to pivot at all and explore other options

Just a strange recruitment of a guy who nobody considered to be an elite back at the time nor high upside type

Classic case of why the rush? What are they thinking?

 

[NDIrish000]

Classic case of why the rush? What are they thinking?

Fair question. Same with Hulak, Burress, and Kia

 

[PutuporShutup]

I know you fancy yourself as the world's foremost authority, but the back that ND was all in on during Estime year was Will Shipley, who went to Clemson. Singleton to PSU was the year we took Price. The story out with Singleton was he was going to commit to ND after his visit until his dad got involved. Dad always thought he was going to PSU, but once dad realized ND was a real threat, he started pushing Penn State. Now, I am no expert, so I am not sure if that is the Singleton dad story is true, but 100% sure when ND missed on Shipley, they went to Diggs/Estime.

Correct - Will shipley committed to clemson in May, we then turned diggs offer into a committable one, he committed in July. We were then as you mention, going after Singleton for the next class and thought we were going to land him. Singleton's family definitely got involved (despite the fact i'm a big ND fan, i have more ties/intel with penn state) and got him back on the PSU train. It's my opinion, that is why ND went after Estime because they didn't feel as good about landing singleton or any stud RB in the next class. ND probably viewed Estime as a better back than anyone they had a good shot to land in the next class (don't know that for sure).

My point and opinion with some facts sprinkled in - Shipley not coming to ND is why we accepted Diggs commitment, Singleton not looking promising anymore to ND is why we pushed hard for Estime late. ND wasn't even going to land a RB in the 2022 class until Deland came and brought payne with him very late in the cycle (Payne actually had to ask for a release after signing NLI with indiana). I'm sure you know this, recruiting each year isn't in a vaccuum where they don't look at current roster or even the following class to understand numbers/quality/impact, etc.

Don't confuse conviction for authority on topics. I just enjoy discussing football with the goal of winning a championship. Most of my comments that come off as negative are gaps in my view to win a championship.

 

[CanadalovesND]

The Blue Chip Ratio is too low for my liking

Now we know who you are.

 

[FWIrish4]

I know you fancy yourself as the world's foremost authority, but the back that ND was all in on during Estime year was Will Shipley, who went to Clemson. Singleton to PSU was the year we took Price. The story out with Singleton was he was going to commit to ND after his visit until his dad got involved. Dad always thought he was going to PSU, but once dad realized ND was a real threat, he started pushing Penn State. Now, I am no expert, so I am not sure if that is the Singleton dad story is true, but 100% sure when ND missed on Shipley, they went to Diggs/Estime.

I believe @IrishLax confirmed this is true

 

[bumpdaddy]

It's my opinion, that is why ND went after Estime because they didn't feel as good about landing singleton or any stud RB in the next class. ND probably viewed Estime as a better back than anyone they had a good shot to land in the next class (don't know that for sure).

That is not true either. You continue to be wrong about this. Singleton committed to PSU in July of '21. Singleton wasn't even a consideration when they went after Estime. The RB they continued to pursue late into the '21 recruiting cycle was Donovan Edwards. ND thought they had a decent shot at landing him but then he committed to UM on Dec. 15th. After that, ND immediately went hard after MSU commit Estime. He quickly decommitted from MSU and committed to his dream school ND on Dec. 18th.

 

[NDIrish000]

Now we know who you are.

Someone who understands it’s importance? You’re not winning titles with 3*.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Someone who understands it’s importance? You’re not winning titles with 3*.

What made you decide to come back? You thought what.... fvck it, seventh times the charm?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

What made you decide to come back?

Daddy issues

 

[NDIrish000]

What made you decide to come back? You thought what.... fvck it, seventh times the charm?

What?

 

[PutuporShutup]

That is not true either. You continue to be wrong about this. Singleton committed to PSU in July of '21. Singleton wasn't even a consideration when they went after Estime. The RB they continued to pursue late into the '21 recruiting cycle was Donovan Edwards. ND thought they had a decent shot at landing him but then he committed to UM on Dec. 15th. After that, ND immediately went hard after MSU commit Estime. He quickly decommitted from MSU and committed to his dream school ND on Dec. 18th.

ND knew it wasn't landing donovan edwards LONG before he committed to Michigan.

Also, it was rumored that Singleton was a silent to ND in 2020 BEFORE ND pushed hard for estime. Singleton made a bunch of visits end of 2019/2020 to ND and this was when it was rumored he might be a silent to ND or at minimum favoring ND. Towards the end of 2020, singleton's family got involved and persuaded him back to penn state. At this time is when ND went hard after estime. It's my opinion, ND went hard after estime realizing they probably weren't going to land Singleton in the next class.

The point of all this, it's shocking they took a commitment from Anderson so early in the process with how successful they've been recruiting high talented RBs the last few years despite some big misses.

 

[bumpdaddy]

ND knew it wasn't landing donovan edwards LONG before he committed to Michigan.

Also, it was rumored that Singleton was a silent to ND in 2020 BEFORE ND pushed hard for estime. Singleton made a bunch of visits end of 2019/2020 to ND and this was when it was rumored he might be a silent to ND or at minimum favoring ND. Towards the end of 2020, singleton's family got involved and persuaded him back to penn state. At this time is when ND went hard after estime. It's my opinion, ND went hard after estime realizing they probably weren't going to land Singleton in the next class.

The point of all this, it's shocking they took a commitment from Anderson so early in the process with how successful they've been recruiting high talented RBs the last few years despite some big misses.

This is not true. All you have to do is look back at the Donovan Edwards thread heading up to his decision. Here was a post a little over a week before he committed to UM.

Edwards is worth the risk IMO and hes solid with the likes of Spindler etc

I say take Estime's commitment and then even if Edwards wants in take him too. Can't have enough RB's Bama has shown that.

So at the time, everyone considered Estime a plan B guy in case Edwards didn't commit (and in case Diggs decommitted, which was always a concern with Diggs). The consensus leading up to Edwards' decision was that no one really knew who the favorite to land him was because he kept his recruitment close to his vest. But it was clear ND thought they still had a chance and the beat writers were saying so at the time. No one was saying ND was a favorite but that didn't matter. ND still thought they had a chance, and once he chose UM they immediately went on to Estime. If they thought they had no chance they would have taken Estime much earlier.

 

[fightingirish26]

ND knew it wasn't landing donovan edwards LONG before he committed to Michigan.

Also, it was rumored that Singleton was a silent to ND in 2020 BEFORE ND pushed hard for estime. Singleton made a bunch of visits end of 2019/2020 to ND and this was when it was rumored he might be a silent to ND or at minimum favoring ND. Towards the end of 2020, singleton's family got involved and persuaded him back to penn state. At this time is when ND went hard after estime. It's my opinion, ND went hard after estime realizing they probably weren't going to land Singleton in the next class.

The point of all this, it's shocking they took a commitment from Anderson so early in the process with how successful they've been recruiting high talented RBs the last few years despite some big misses.

The edwards stuff has been addressed but you're also way off (like a full year off) on singleton. Summer 2021 is when the silent to ND rumors started and he got CBs. Then his family got involved.

 

[PutuporShutup]

The edwards stuff has been addressed but you're also way off (like a full year off) on singleton. Summer 2021 is when the silent to ND rumors started and he got CBs. Then his family got involved.

Singleton committed to psu summer of 21

 

[PutuporShutup]

This is not true. All you have to do is look back at the Donovan Edwards thread heading up to his decision. Here was a post a little over a week before he committed to UM.





So at the time, everyone considered Estime a plan B guy in case Edwards didn't commit (and in case Diggs decommitted, which was always a concern with Diggs). The consensus leading up to Edwards' decision was that no one really knew who the favorite to land him was because he kept his recruitment close to his vest. But it was clear ND thought they still had a chance and the beat writers were saying so at the time. No one was saying ND was a favorite but that didn't matter. ND still thought they had a chance, and once he chose UM they immediately went on to Estime. If they thought they had no chance they would have taken Estime much earlier.

That’s some posters take, and that’s (I didn’t have intel) fine but we found out later that he had been a silent to um and nd staff probably knew or thought that

I will agree estime probably was diggs backup plan as well

 

[fightingirish26]

Singleton committed to psu summer of 21

Yes, also got CBd to ND 6/20/21

Fong CB

 

[PutuporShutup]

Yes, also got CBd to ND 6/20/21

I could be wrong on Edwards and estime as I don’t have inside info but per Penn state insiders, they believed mid/late 2020 singleton was either silent to nd or leaning there, and then Franklin got singletons family to get involved to help bring him back in state.

Singleton took his official to nd right before that CB so maybe someone thought there was still a good chance. Penn state insiders at that time said he was a silent to psu and he was taking the official to nd as courtesy.

Either way… Anderson isn’t singleton Edwards Shipley or estime… honestly diggs wouldn’t be the worst comparison

 

[bumpdaddy]

That’s some posters take, and that’s (I didn’t have intel) fine but we found out later that he had been a silent to um and nd staff probably knew or thought that

I will agree estime probably was diggs backup plan as well

It wasn't just some poster's take. If you continue to read through the thread until he committed you will see that insiders still thought ND had a chance whether he was a silent commit to UM or not. The fact that the timing of the Edwards' UM commitment and Estime's MSU decommitment/ND commitment happened in succession wasn't a coincidence. People were saying what the plan was before it happened and people said so after it happened. If Edwards has told some other story since then it doesn't matter. The strong evidence points to ND thought they still had a chance with Edwards, Estime was their plan B if they didn't get him, and when they didn't get him, they immediately gave Estime the green light.

The fact ND took Estime at the end of the '20 cycle had nothing to do with whether or not they thought they would get Singleton the following year and everything to do with not getting Edwards a few days before.