College Football: End of an Era

[forkbeard3777]

And that's all she wrote.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

The NLRB's decision doesn't really mean much. Also, they kind of already declared this three years ago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/9...er-memo-ollege-football-players-are-employees

EDIT: Also, the NLRB only has jurisdiction over private schools.

 

[Irish4life]

And that's all she wrote.

Let's go!!!

 

[Huntr]

NLRB Grants Permission For Dartmouth Men’s Basketball Players To Vote On Union

 

[KMac151993]

This can't end poorly...

Wait till the first player gets fired then.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Is there anybody who’s written what might happen to Title IX and any further liabilities the universities would be open to if athletes were employees?

I’m thinking like what would have happened in the Baylor scenario if the football players were employees.


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[BeauBenken]

Genuinely worried that ND may step away from it all if students are officially labeled as employees. I think this is what Swarbrick talked about years ago and he acted as though ND would likely just create some new actual amateur league with the Ivy League and respected academic institutions.

And I know it’s easy to say they won’t because money, but I’m not so sure…

 

[NDPhilly]

A decade ago no one would have thought they would rolled out the NIL red carpet for Sam like they did. Don’t believe for one second they’d quit major CFB. Without football, ND would be Catholic Wash U STL, who I often forget exists.

 

[irishff1014]

NLRB Grants Permission For Dartmouth Men’s Basketball Players To Vote On Union

1 of 2 things happen.

1 the basketball team goes bye bye

2 the scholarships go bye bye

 

[Huntr]

1 of 2 things happen.

1 the basketball team goes bye bye

2 the scholarships go bye bye

Ivy League doesn't have athletic scholarships.

 

[IrishLax]

The whole thing is nonsense for a school like Dartmouth. There isn’t any difference between a Dartmouth basketball player and a regular student… they aren’t generating money, they aren’t being compensated, etc. It’s unsurprising that the NLRB would rule this way given what the NLRB is, but we have totally jumped the shark here.

I think what you will see sooner rather than later is federal laws codifying amateur sports a different way and also making it so that big time CFB and NCAAB is considered a Title IX exempt for-profit enterprise with students considered “employees.”

 

[forkbeard3777]

Genuinely worried that ND may step away from it all if students are officially labeled as employees. I think this is what Swarbrick talked about years ago and he acted as though ND would likely just create some new actual amateur league with the Ivy League and respected academic institutions.

And I know it’s easy to say they won’t because money, but I’m not so sure…

I just have a hard time believing Notre Dame would willfully self-sabotage itself and walk away from all of that revenue.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The whole thing is nonsense for a school like Dartmouth. There isn’t any difference between a Dartmouth basketball player and a regular student… they aren’t generating money, they aren’t being compensated, etc. It’s unsurprising that the NLRB would rule this way given what the NLRB is, but we have totally jumped the shark here.

I think what you will see sooner rather than later is federal laws codifying amateur sports a different way and also making it so that big time CFB and NCAAB is considered a Title IX exempt for-profit enterprise with students considered “employees.”

If and when that happens, I wonder how much taxation comes into play, both at the federal and state level, for those for profit entities. The government will want their piece and that creates leakage. In this game, the biggest winner is the government. That said, it would likely create certainty on the player side in terms of roster turnover, which benefits both sides in different ways.

 

[irishff1014]

If and when that happens, I wonder how much taxation comes into play, both at the federal and state level, for those for profit entities. The government will want their piece and that creates leakage. In this game, the biggest winner is the government. That said, it would likely create certainty on the player side in terms of roster turnover, which benefits both sides in different ways.

Tax the fuck out of every party.

 

[irishff1014]

NLRB Grants Permission For Dartmouth Men’s Basketball Players To Vote On Union

I hope the school shuts down the program.

 

[Irish4life]

Genuinely worried that ND may step away from it all if students are officially labeled as employees. I think this is what Swarbrick talked about years ago and he acted as though ND would likely just create some new actual amateur league with the Ivy League and respected academic institutions.

And I know it’s easy to say they won’t because money, but I’m not so sure…

Notre Dame is about to break ground on major renovations to the Gug, recently built the indoor practice facility, and just hired a new AD who's a former major TV executive for NBC. Not to mention that ND is already paying players to play college football. Please be serious here lol.

 

[Huntr]

Every kid should get as much as they can, and if that causes the whole thing to crash and burn then oh fuckin well.

 

[irishff1014]

Every kid should get as much as they can, and if that causes the whole thing to crash and burn then oh fuckin well.

And don’t ever call them a student athlete again.

 

[Huntr]

And don’t ever call them a student athlete again.

 

[TorontoGold]

And don’t ever call them a student athlete again.

Amen. Freedom of movement and control over one’s marketability shouldn’t be given to university students. I’m glad that football profits fund university athletics and provide marketing for the entire university.

You want players to receive a piece of the pie for their limited playing career? Ha! They just to shut up and sport harder.

(Worlds biggest /s)

 

[IrishLax]

Every kid should get as much as they can, and if that causes the whole thing to crash and burn then oh fuckin well.

This is incredibly fucked up on so many levels.

 

[NDRock]

This is incredibly fucked up on so many levels.

See what happens when you give the players freedom to transfer. It forces these poor, humble coaches into doing things like this. I really feel bad for Grubb.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

And don’t ever call them a student athlete again.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It was fine as long as he was winning, though. Sounds like Dabo.

And Dear Pearl Clutchers: they stopped being student athletes long before all of this began. Can't say it enough. Your faux tears are a tad late to the party.

 

[forkbeard3777]

It was fine as long as he was winning, though. Sounds like Dabo.

And Dear Pearl Clutchers: they stopped being student athletes long before all of this began. Can't say it enough. Your faux tears are a tad late to the party.

Nick Saban says he wants to do his part in helping bring reform, uniformity, and “common sense” to College Football. He said: “What we have now is not College Football, not College Football as we know it. You hear somebody use the word ‘student-athlete.’ That doesn’t exist.” We’ve gone to nobody talking about education, nobody talking about creating value for their future, to talking about how much money can I make while I’m in college?” Saban says he’s for players earning money based on their Name, Image, and Likeness. “But what you have now isn’t Name, Image, and Likeness. A collective has nothing to do with Name, Image, and Likeness.”

I mean, he’s largely right. What we’ve created is an unrestricted, free agency “pay for play” system. Players receiving a cut from the sale of their jerseys or from EA Sports NCAA Football = NIL. The latter isn’t the driving force that governs our current system.

It’s just an example of what’s tarnishing college football and its traditions and ultimately making it more and more generic.

 

[KMac151993]

They have destroyed the sport...but what else is new.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They have destroyed the sport...but what else is new.

"They" who?

Adults corrupted this a very long time ago. Now the players can profit and suddenly everyone grabs their rosaries and Bibles because the Sister Mary Margarets are too much to handle?

 

[ndfanatic78]

It's as popular as ever. The players are actually getting paid for their services and getting their piece of the pie. They are no longer indentured servants, as for the majority of kids, the education they received wasn't worth the piece of paper their diplomas were printed on if they even got one. I would hardly say the sport is destroyed because the kids actually can make money while playing in college and have the right to move freely and not be held hostage by one university.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It's as popular as ever. The players are actually getting paid for their services and getting their piece of the pie. They are no longer indentured servants, as for the majority of kids, the education they received wasn't worth the piece of paper their diplomas were printed if they even got one. I would hardly say the sport is destroyed because the kids actually can make money while playing in college and have the right to move freely and not be held hostage by one university.

Yeah, I think Nicky had the best gig in town for a long time, and then it wasn't. He saw the writing on the wall and decided to go hang with Herbie and Dez Howard on TV. I can't say I blame him, but cut the crap. I can only imagine the shit they were pulling down there in his neck of Elvis Country prior to The Supreme Court ruling. You don't hear these guys shedding tears of the plight of FCS and D2.

28 million people watched Michigan v Washington. They expanded the playoffs, and before the ink was dry on that, they started talking about expanding it further.

 

[IrishLion]

I mean, he’s largely right. What we’ve created is an unrestricted, free agency “pay for play” system. Players receiving a cut from the sale of their jerseys or from EA Sports NCAA Football = NIL. The latter isn’t the driving force that governs our current system.

It’s just an example of what’s tarnishing college football and its traditions and ultimately making it more and more generic.

I've got no problem with NIL, collectives, players getting straight-up paid to play, etc. There's a stupid amount of money being thrown around in the sport, idc that the players are getting a piece now. That's not what's ruining the sport (certain teams have always been paying their players, the sport hasn't suddenly been soiled... but that's in "The Bagman" thread).

HOWEVER.... I think free, no-penalty transfers COMBINED with NIL/collectives is a problem. They need to find a way to walk back the roster churn. There needs to be some incentive for schools to recruit guys that will stay and develop, there needs to be incentive for PLAYERS that will stay and develop, and there needs to be a penalty if you want to jump around for the second time in 2 years.

I'm okay with a free, one-time transfer... but a 4th-year player getting a waiver to attend his 3rd school, happening all over the sport, seems weird to me. I can't explain it. My beliefs on the free market for players' services mean I should also support the free, unfettered movement of athletes as they see fit. But I don't.