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NDdomer2 said:
What would jacks reasons be for firing chansi over freemans head?
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He needed to fire. Somebody and I gather couldn’t be the offensive coordinator. It’s less expensive replacing a wide receivers coach, than an offensive coordinator.
 
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DomerInHappyValley said:
Can someone explain to me what fuck has happened this week?
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The entire site was hacked and many of the accounts are now being controlled by 13 year old girls.

The market had an upward trajectory and the fed held steady on their rate plan.
Adult RSV is going around our area. One of my kids sharted and it was an ordeal.

Sidenote: our WR coach was let go and a few of the WRs entered the portal.

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Irishdrunk said:
He needed to fire. Somebody and I gather couldn’t be the offensive coordinator. It’s less expensive replacing a wide receivers coach, than an offensive coordinator.
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So we're going to hire someone to be our OC under the guise of a WR coach and only pay them WR coach money to be our OC? All In the name of saving money?
 
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Did MF or the University let Stuckey go?

If MF did I hope that Parker didn't influence that.
 
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The signs have been right infront of everyone but no one wanted to listen

- freeman’s first time as DC truly on his own vs FSU in 2021… complete disaster of a defensive game plan and scheme for the season, Kelly forced him to modify after Toledo

-freeman’s first game as head coach vs ok state - has team completely ready to dominate, but ok state adjusted and freeman didn’t have a clue what to do

-thinking Buchner/pyne were good enough going into 2022

-thinking Parker was it

-ready to win vs Ohio state in 23 at home green jerseys but absolutely crumble as a coach in every important huge moment throughout the game and especially at the end

-23 having the team unprepared to play every single road game, luckily we sleep walked and out talented a few teams

- not forcing offensive changes after first bye in 23

- this Stuckey wr abomination

These aren’t every mistake as every coach makes mistakes, this is just a pattern of not having a clue
 
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PutuporShutup said:
The signs have been right infront of everyone but no one wanted to listen

- freeman’s first time as DC truly on his own vs FSU in 2021… complete disaster of a defensive game plan and scheme for the season, Kelly forced him to modify after Toledo

-freeman’s first game as head coach vs ok state - has team completely ready to dominate, but ok state adjusted and freeman didn’t have a clue what to do

-thinking Buchner/pyne were good enough going into 2022

-thinking Parker was it

-ready to win vs Ohio state in 23 at home green jerseys but absolutely crumble as a coach in every important huge moment throughout the game and especially at the end

-23 having the team unprepared to play every single road game, luckily we sleep walked and out talented a few teams

- not forcing offensive changes after first bye in 23

- this Stuckey wr abomination

These aren’t every mistake as every coach makes mistakes, this is just a pattern of not having a clue
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Really good post that should be book marked somehow.
 
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Lberry said:
Really good post that should be book marked somehow.
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You two must sleep on concrete to wake up in the same pissy mood everyday.

What put up typed could easily be applied to many of Kelly’s seasons at ND. Especially 2013-2017 AFTER a national championship appearance that Kelly completely fumbled the bag on taking advantage of and taking the program to the next level immediately in follow up years. Also, he had decades of head coaching experience.

I don’t want to turn this into a Freeman vs. Kelly debate again. It’s almost like coaching college football has a ton of variables and challenges, especially for a first time head coach. This is even harder with the transfer portal and NIL era. To add, these challenges aren’t unique to ND. College football across the board is chaotic and ND is still in better position than 99% of it. Chasing the 1% down is the challenge and creates the frustration - but Ohio St has its own problems.

Typing the same stuff everyday on the Internet isn’t going to fix any of this and can’t be good for your personal enjoyment.
 
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FWIrish4 said:
You two must sleep on concrete to wake up in the same pissy mood everyday.

What put up typed could easily be applied to many of Kelly’s seasons at ND. Especially 2013-2017 AFTER a national championship appearance that Kelly completely fumbled the bag on taking advantage of and taking the program to the next level immediately in follow up years. Also, he had decades of head coaching experience.

I don’t want to turn this into a Freeman vs. Kelly debate again. It’s almost like coaching college football has a ton of variables and challenges, especially for a first time head coach. This is even harder with the transfer portal and NIL era. Typing the same stuff everyday on the Internet isn’t going to fix any of this and can’t be good for your personal enjoyment.
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Can't speak for PutUp but don't think anyone's angry. Our eyes are just open and we can spot failures and opportunities. It's ok to have high standards. I have a lot of respect for ND and others should raise theirs. I have zero interest in being mediocre and with seeing (repeated) shortcomings.

You'd lose youe mind if you knew how I slept ;).
 
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irishandy said:
There are many great posters on this board that have respect for ND...I don't know where you are going with your message that others should raise their respect for ND.

Don't respond to my message!

Go Irish!
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They don't, they've grown apathetic and thrown their hands up saying "oh well, good Ole ND is still fun to watch". "It could be worse!"

That's not a high standard, and you can't have respect without high standard. And I promise you ND needs more fans with high standards if we're going to accomplish what half have given up on.
 
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PutuporShutup said:
The signs have been right infront of everyone but no one wanted to listen

- freeman’s first time as DC truly on his own vs FSU in 2021… complete disaster of a defensive game plan and scheme for the season, Kelly forced him to modify after Toledo

-freeman’s first game as head coach vs ok state - has team completely ready to dominate, but ok state adjusted and freeman didn’t have a clue what to do

-thinking Buchner/pyne were good enough going into 2022

-thinking Parker was it

-ready to win vs Ohio state in 23 at home green jerseys but absolutely crumble as a coach in every important huge moment throughout the game and especially at the end

-23 having the team unprepared to play every single road game, luckily we sleep walked and out talented a few teams

- not forcing offensive changes after first bye in 23

- this Stuckey wr abomination

These aren’t every mistake as every coach makes mistakes, this is just a pattern of not having a clue
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Bingo. I’ve been saying it for months and no one wanted to hear it. The dude is clueless. But fuck can he rock a suit! We’re going to have coaches leaving here soon as well. FYI.

I hope I’m wrong, but I really don’t think this off-season gets better.
 
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FWIrish4 said:
You two must sleep on concrete to wake up in the same pissy mood everyday.

What put up typed could easily be applied to many of Kelly’s seasons at ND. Especially 2013-2017 AFTER a national championship appearance that Kelly completely fumbled the bag on taking advantage of and taking the program to the next level immediately in follow up years. Also, he had decades of head coaching experience.

I don’t want to turn this into a Freeman vs. Kelly debate again. It’s almost like coaching college football has a ton of variables and challenges, especially for a first time head coach. This is even harder with the transfer portal and NIL era. To add, these challenges aren’t unique to ND. College football across the board is chaotic and ND is still in better position than 99% of it. Chasing the 1% down is the challenge and creates the frustration - but Ohio St has its own problems.

Typing the same stuff everyday on the Internet isn’t going to fix any of this and can’t be good for your personal enjoyment.
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This isn’t about anger or Kelly vs freeman, and you’re right, you could show a lot of examples about Kelly like this especially leading into and during 2016. That’s the point!

It’s clear major change needs to happen with how the program is being run prepared and coached. Kelly realized or got forced to realize he had to make major changes internally and with his staff and program. He did that and we improved drastically, still not good enough though. Freeman has set us back some and major changes need made to him the staff and program. Hopefully he and the ad will make them and it will take us to the elite level. 2 years in, only improvement is slightly with recruiting. Extremely important but not enough when you’ve went backwards coaching wise.

Constructive criticism is what’s needed to grow. Hopefully freeman is getting it from a lot of good places.
 
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dad4aa said:
When did Irish Envy become NDNation 2.0? A lot of fucking crybabies around here. Every time I go to a thread I feel like I’m watching Groundhog Day going through the same shit over and over and over.
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Well said! Too much negativity on this board.

I still feel the toughest job in college football is Notre Dame and the QB position that has the most eyes on it is the Notre Dame QB position.

College football as a whole is going through a new era, one that I don't agree with and Notre Dame is sticking to its standards (good for them).

Go Irish!!
 
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Irishdrunk said:
Something doesn't jive. The day before Stuckey left ND... Freeman said: "If it was up to me we would keep the staff..."

1. "If it was up to me..." WTF??? You are the Head Coach. Or is this Savvy Jack doing something? OR
2. Did Stuckey say to Freeman he can't be a position coach under War Daddy???

Its clear this is a mess though. This inexperience is showing its ugly head again and again.....
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It’s time for you to find some new talking points, you’ve driven war daddy and Savvy Jack into the ground. You can always go back to bashing the BOT and Rees for awhile
 
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PutuporShutup said:
The signs have been right infront of everyone but no one wanted to listen

- freeman’s first time as DC truly on his own vs FSU in 2021… complete disaster of a defensive game plan and scheme for the season, Kelly forced him to modify after Toledo

-freeman’s first game as head coach vs ok state - has team completely ready to dominate, but ok state adjusted and freeman didn’t have a clue what to do

-thinking Buchner/pyne were good enough going into 2022

-thinking Parker was it

-ready to win vs Ohio state in 23 at home green jerseys but absolutely crumble as a coach in every important huge moment throughout the game and especially at the end

-23 having the team unprepared to play every single road game, luckily we sleep walked and out talented a few teams

- not forcing offensive changes after first bye in 23

- this Stuckey wr abomination

These aren’t every mistake as every coach makes mistakes, this is just a pattern of not having a clue
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Find a new program then please
 
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dad4aa said:
When did Irish Envy become NDNation 2.0? A lot of fucking crybabies around here. Every time I go to a thread I feel like I’m watching Groundhog Day going through the same shit over and over and over.
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Crybabies? Perhaps. Perhaps you are okay with being Top 20 Program and not Top 10.

The signs are there. We hired an inexperienced coach to be HC and we are taking our lumps and it sucks. Kelly said he liked Freeman but said he would have his challenges w his lack of experience…..
 
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SoIll said:
Bingo. I’ve been saying it for months and no one wanted to hear it. The dude is clueless. But fuck can he rock a suit! We’re going to have coaches leaving here soon as well. FYI.

I hope I’m wrong, but I really don’t think this off-season gets better.
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I reckon ND has to have an offence minded head coach. Good DCs seem to be easier to get than OCs.
 
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