Gerad Parker - Troy Head Coach :)

[Sea Turtle]

'But I didn't know until this day that it was Freeman all along.'

 

[PutuporShutup]

To play devil's advocate, if someone offered me a substantial raise for a job I really wasn't qualified for I'd take it.

especially if it didn't really change your work schedule too much.

 

[Luckylucci]

HC should be involved with playcalling on key, game on the line, decisions IMO. Unless Freeman is telling Parker "run the ball on almost all first downs", "don't use play action", and "don't give Sam the option to audible, ever" than idk how he's at fault for the majority of the problems with the offense. Wide Receiver depth + Interior OL issues are also major challenges.

Just to use this specific example because of last Saturday.

In your scenario the only way that Freeman is at fault is if he's actively telling Parker the wrong thing to do.

How about not telling him the right thing to do? Or how about not helping him realize that the number is two and it needs to be higher?

Going an entire game having 2 PA passes, is something that the HC should either be a part of planning or catching during game. If he's not then he's not doing his job either.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

To play devil's advocate, if someone offered me a substantial raise for a job I really wasn't qualified for I'd take it.

I just did that lol....

 

[thekid33]

i would imagine a AD just cares about results. I doubt they care much what the playcalling/team style is like

Sure. But 8-9 win seasons should not be the result that an ND AD is looking for. If the AD is satisfied by that then the problem is way bigger than who the OC is.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Just to use this specific example because of last Saturday.

In your scenario the only way that Freeman is at fault is if he's actively telling Parker the wrong thing to do.

How about not telling him the right thing to do? Or how about not helping him realize that the number is two and it needs to be higher?

Going an entire game having 2 PA passes, is something that the HC should either be a part of planning or catching during game. If he's not then he's not doing his job either.

to have only 2 PAs, that's part of the initial game plan and packages for the game Freeman is well aware of and approves. ND shouldn't have ever gone away from their original game plan until about 4-6 minutes left in the game. It didn't look like they did either. Same offense the entire game for 3.5 quarters. Only difference was in the second half they started using faison, he made some plays, and they would only run the running back on first downs against loaded boxes.

 

[LSWho?]

Not sure I buy it.

Troy Smith threw for 2500 yards that year. Hardly flipping it around, looking back he only threw for over 300 yards once after week 1 against Northern Illinois. Quinn threw for 1,000 more yards than him....Colt Brennan threw for 3000 more yards.

Looking back at the last few Heisman winners that played QB 20 years later.....Smith with those numbers wouldn't be in the top 20.

Caleb 4500 yards
Bryce 4800 yards (Even Kenny Pickett and CJ Stroud had 4500)

He won the Heisman (91% of the vote) with only 228 rushing yards. How do you think he did that? 2542 yards, 30 TDs, and 65% completion percentage.

If you look at the advanced stats, you also see that he threw the ball farther and more efficiently than BQ.

	Y/A (yards per attempt)	AY/A (adjusted yards per attempt)
Brady Quinn	7.3​	8.2​
Troy Smith	8.2​	9.2​

Of course the developments in pace and rules have increased the importance of the passing game since 2006. Any direct comparison to twenty years ago won't work. But there is no reason to think that Marcus Freeman aspires to be Iowa. The OSU teams he played on were already not Iowa. He also coached for Fickell, who had Denbrock as OC, and has hired Phil Longo at Wisconsin. Denbrock may not be the most innovative, but he has always been willing to spread it out and pass when he has the players.

There is just nothing to indicate that MF wants an old-fashioned offense. What he needs is a competent offensive coordinator.

 

[Irish4life]

FWIW, Pete did pretty strongly imply that Parker will be gone after the season .

(Timestamped)

 

[ThePiombino]

FWIW, Pete did pretty strongly imply that Parker will be gone after the season .

(Timestamped)

Please. These guys don't know shit about fuck.

 

[NDWarrior]

To play devil's advocate, if someone offered me a substantial raise for a job I really wasn't qualified for I'd take it.

Sounds like there’s a lot of that going on at ND these days

 

[Kingbish01]

He won the Heisman (91% of the vote) with only 228 rushing yards. How do you think he did that? 2542 yards, 30 TDs, and 65% completion percentage.

If you look at the advanced stats, you also see that he threw the ball farther and more efficiently than BQ.

	Y/A (yards per attempt)	AY/A (adjusted yards per attempt)
Brady Quinn	7.3​	8.2​
Troy Smith	8.2​	9.2​

Of course the developments in pace and rules have increased the importance of the passing game since 2006. Any direct comparison to twenty years ago won't work. But there is no reason to think that Marcus Freeman aspires to be Iowa. The OSU teams he played on were already not Iowa. He also coached for Fickell, who had Denbrock as OC, and has hired Phil Longo at Wisconsin. Denbrock may not be the most innovative, but he has always been willing to spread it out and pass when he has the players.

There is just nothing to indicate that MF wants an old-fashioned offense. What he needs is a competent offensive coordinator.

We mostly agree, but Troy Smith was trash...Not sure if I say this because he's a buckeye or I'm salty BQ didn't win....But go look at his stats in the Natty against UF. Maybe the worst single bowl game by a QB ever...lol And I don't mean by a Heisman QB....I mean by any QB ever. I think to circle back around Tressel ball isn't the answer, and I hope for MF sake he doesn't think he can get away with playing like it's 2001.

 

[LSWho?]

I guess I'm mostly surprised that people are coming to this thread wanting to know why Parker is still employed. Do people legitimately think he was going to be let go today?

I seriously can't wrap my head around Marcus Freeman trying to hire Andy Ludwig less than a year ago only to now be directing Parker to run an offense this way. Those two things really do contradict each other, don't they?

Right. Somehow, overnight, this has gone from being a competence issue to a philosophical issue. How can anyone think this offense is what any head coach would want? It is not even good at running the ball when it matters.

Also, for all the points Lincoln Riley has rung up in his career, how many national championships has he won? You can definitely go too far in the other direction in modern CFB with emphasizing points and yards at the expense of victories.

You can't confuse MF wanting to run the ball with him wanting an Iowa offense. Nick Saban still wants to run the ball well. He updated his philosophy on pace and points, but he still knows you have to run the ball, because that is still how you close out games. Georgia has won consecutive NCs running the ball extremely well. You can't give up on running the ball.

Nothing in MF's career indicates that he would disagree with wanting an efficient, explosive offense. The guy goes for almost every 4th down attempt he can.

 

[irishff1014]

II podcast theorized that Parker is running the offense MF wants to see run rather than the one Parker himself wants to run. Basically MF's inert conservatism is overriding everything on that side of the ball

If this is true, the only fix for this is to fire Freeman. And that’s not what I want to see happen. However, if he is stuck in this mindset, the offense will always struggle.

 

[Irish4life]

We're blaming the wrong guy here...

Parker is also bad and he does stupid things, on top of Freeman wanting a run first offense. Hell, Sean Lewis fits being a run first offense lol.

 

[NDdomer2]

I mean II wouldn't post it without having some reason to believe it. ISD has hinted at such as well. So to answer your question, Yes. I will believe what I have read.

Ay?

Whatever you do. Don't read anything from Brian Driskell please

 

[Circa]

From what I've read... I completely understand why Tommy left,... In a Hurry.

 

[Irish4life]

I guess I'm mostly surprised that people are coming to this thread wanting to know why Parker is still employed. Do people legitimately think he was going to be let go today?

I seriously can't wrap my head around Marcus Freeman trying to hire Andy Ludwig less than a year ago only to now be directing Parker to run an offense this way. Those two things really do contradict each other, don't they?

I will be posting it every day until he is no longer the OC at Notre Dame.

 

[AKRowdy]

From what I've read... I completely understand why Tommy left,... In a Hurry.

So what have you read?

 

[BeatSC]

I guess I'm mostly surprised that people are coming to this thread wanting to know why Parker is still employed. Do people legitimately think he was going to be let go today?

I seriously can't wrap my head around Marcus Freeman trying to hire Andy Ludwig less than a year ago only to now be directing Parker to run an offense this way. Those two things really do contradict each other, don't they?

USC with the same record as ours and two games and a shitty bowl left just canned their DC who is the D equivalent to Parker. It SC had a good D they might would have one loss. If we had a good offense we would have at most one loss. Both coordinators are the HC buddy. SC coach nutted up now it’s Freeman’s time. Most of us will be disgusted if porker isn’t sent packing before our next game.

 

[ulukinatme]

Whatever you do. Don't read anything from Brian Driskell please

 

[irishff1014]

From what I've read... I completely understand why Tommy left,... In a Hurry.

I have seen something like this on here, ii, and isd. So that tells me that Freeman better change his mind set on the offense.

 

[T-Boone]

What about Clay Helton as OC? Good experience, good recruiter, currently unemployed (or at Georgia Southern).

 

[MacIrish75]

MF wants to run a Michigan/Stanford type of offensive scheme…fine. You absolutely can win with that type of scheme, even in the year of our Lord 2023.

The reason Michigan is so good at it is because it’s Jim’s offense. It’s his design and scheme. Same as it was at Stanford. MF’s fatal mistake was that he desired to play this way and instead of hiring an OC capable of implementing that system successfully, he decided to hire Fudge Packer—who apparently couldn’t implement a system correctly even if he had one—and whose credentials include whatever the hell they were trying to do at Purdue and WV…which are about as anti ground-n-pound as it gets. Hell, even courting Ludwig seems dumb if his end goal was to Tressel it up. That’s not what Utah does either.

Marcus needs to hire an OC to basically do what Golden has done defensively and Marcus needs to get the hell out of the way. A guy like Moorehead or Chryst could definitely fit that bill.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I’d love to see our bruising 230 lb wrecking ball of a running back take a handoff with some momentum going after the qb takes the snap from under center. Guess I’m just old fashioned though.

 

[Irish4life]

MF wants to run a Michigan/Stanford type of offensive scheme…fine. You absolutely can win with that type of scheme, even in the year of our Lord 2023.

The reason Michigan is so good at it is because it’s Jim’s offense. It’s his design and scheme. Same as it was at Stanford. MF’s fatal mistake was that he desired to play this way and instead of hiring an OC capable of implementing that system successfully, he decided to hire Fudge Packer—who apparently couldn’t implement a system correctly even if he had one—and whose credentials include whatever the hell they were trying to do at Purdue and WV…which are about as anti ground-n-pound as it gets. Hell, even courting Ludwig seems dumb if his end goal was to Tressel it up. That’s not what Utah does either.

Marcus needs to hire an OC to basically do what Golden has done defensively and Marcus needs to get the hell out of the way. A guy like Moorehead or Chryst could definitely fit that bill.

If we hire Paul Chryst to be our OC it just means that Marcus will be fired within 2 years. There's no world where running that offense in current year leads us to any level of success. Source: we're trying to run that offense now!

 

[MacIrish75]

If we hire Paul Chryst to be our OC it just means that Marcus will be fired within 2 years. There's no world where running that offense in current year leads us to any level of success. Source: we're trying to run that offense now!

Michigan is running that offense. If you hired a coordinator who actually knows how to run the offense, it can be successful. We aren’t successful because we hired a guy with not only no experience in that offensive philosophy, but no experience period. We basically hired a doctor fresh out of his clinical rotation where he specialized in podiatry to try and execute open heart surgery. Just as that is medical malpractice, this has been football malpractice.

But, it’s asinine to say that offense can’t be successful when it literally is currently being successful just one hundred miles north and east of ND. We can hate Harbaugh—and I do—but his O at Michigan is humming right now. You can RTDB and also be creative in it and have a downfield passing game. They aren’t mutually exclusive. You just have to have an OC who can design and implement it.

 

[Irish#1]

I think MF just took a lot of BK's philosophy of minimizing mistakes by being run dominant, which is okay, but you can't run the same handful of plays over and over especially when there is no motion, play action and little change in the formations.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I think MF just took a lot of BK's philosophy of minimizing mistakes by being run dominant, which is okay, but you can't run the same handful of plays over and over especially when there is no motion, play action and little change in the formations.

Honestly, i think he's so frichan reliant on "indicators" that he doesn't realize you have to try and win first AND hit the indicators while doing that. Not play to the indicators.

Examples -

If you're able to run for more than 150yds in a games the odds of you winning are incredibly high ....... So we always come out pretty much attempting to run no matter what the D is doing, when in reality, you build a lead by passing if needed and run the ball later when the D is worn out. You don't have to get all your yards rushing in the first quarter (clemson).

If you win the turnover battle you have high odds of winning - We come out with a conservative game plan most times and a slow start offensively to not turn it over. But what's missed is if you fall behind, the odds of you committing a turnover are much higher. Marshall last year, stanford, USC, louisville, clemson.

We ran for over 150 yds vs OSU and had no turnovers, shows how bad we F'd up to lose that game.

 

[PutuporShutup]

It seems very obvious on what a championship offense looks like, i mean, for the most part it's been the same formula for the last 10 years.

Great oline, good running game with explosive pass game off PA. Good/great QB with some mobility at minimum. You have an offense that forces the D to equally defend run and pass plus keep an eye on the QBs ability to scramble/run. Only Matt Jones was probably the QB that wasn't very mobile and won it all (their talent on that team was insane).

Not easy to build all that to get it at the same time, takes years of recruiting. We're getting there, just a long ways to go at the WR and OC aspects.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

MF wants to run a Michigan/Stanford type of offensive scheme…fine. You absolutely can win with that type of scheme, even in the year of our Lord 2023.

The reason Michigan is so good at it is because it’s Jim’s offense. It’s his design and scheme. Same as it was at Stanford. MF’s fatal mistake was that he desired to play this way and instead of hiring an OC capable of implementing that system successfully, he decided to hire Fudge Packer—who apparently couldn’t implement a system correctly even if he had one—and whose credentials include whatever the hell they were trying to do at Purdue and WV…which are about as anti ground-n-pound as it gets. Hell, even courting Ludwig seems dumb if his end goal was to Tressel it up. That’s not what Utah does either.

Marcus needs to hire an OC to basically do what Golden has done defensively and Marcus needs to get the hell out of the way. A guy like Moorehead or Chryst could definitely fit that bill.

If Moorhead was interested in going to ND, I would be thrilled enough to pitch in at least the gas money for his drive from Akron to South Bend for the interview.