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I had to do a job search this past year. Based upon my experience and some articles I read, it just feels like there are tons of people looking to change jobs and the competition can be pretty fierce. There were jobs that I thought I was a perfect fit, only to find myself shocked that I wasn't selected.

I agree. I had no idea it would be this difficult to get a local position. National, remote position? Yes. But not local. At all three places, I knew multiple people (in a position to hire) and it still didn't matter. I've been the bridesmaid all three times.
 

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I agree. I had no idea it would be this difficult to get a local position. National, remote position? Yes. But not local. At all three places, I knew multiple people (in a position to hire) and it still didn't matter. I've been the bridesmaid all three times.
Labor Market is a bitch right now. Candidates looking to move but realizing that employers are having less opportunity along with cutting expenses/overhead, opposed to adding. A year ago or more it was completely a job seekers market.

Health Care is a sector I don’t work in, but imagine it’s similar. Every company trying to get more out of less these days.

I’d recommend creating/building some sort of network within these desired employers. Sometimes knowing someone can go a long way.

Best of luck.
 

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Labor Market is a bitch right now. Candidates looking to move but realizing that employers are having less opportunity along with cutting expenses/overhead, opposed to adding. A year ago or more it was completely a job seekers market.

Health Care is a sector I don’t work in, but imagine it’s similar. Every company trying to get more out of less these days.

I’d recommend creating/building some sort of network within these desired employers. Sometimes knowing someone can go a long way.

Best of luck.

Thanks. In all three instances, I knew at least one person personally (people in higher up positions with pull). I work in a small field, so the degrees of separation between connections are minimal. In all three instances, I had multiple connections - directors, managers, doctors, owners, etc. It made absolutely no difference.

At this point, I've taken it personally. A pessimist's perception in that I'm the common denominator here.

1) Doctor overruled the hiring committee due to my lack of experience with a particular type of treatment they do. Makes sense, but I've been formally trained on that style of treatment and it's very easy to learn (simple as a couple different button clicks). Ultimately, it's a ridiculous reason to dismiss my 15 years of experience. But the person they hired required no additional training so I at least understand the thought process.

2) Hiring committee chose the other candidate because said person had a previous work history with the company. It was an easier transition to just rehire her and plug her back into the system. By their own admission, they almost hired both of us but ultimately couldn't find room in the budget due to lack of remote contracts.

3) I got railroaded/sandbagged by one jerk of a doctor by all accounts. No one will bluntly state it, but said to read between the lines. Some are saying it was a male/female thing. This doctor wanted to hire a woman, end of story. The hiring committee had me pegged for the role. They even went as far as to enroll me in the additional training and it was already budget-approved....prior to even offering me the job, this was all arranged. All they needed to do was get consent by the physicians and one of them said no. So I was dead in the water.

Again, I knew higher-ups at all three of these clinics. It's how I was able to be the first one interviewed for all of the openings. But in the end, it just didn't work out. All of these places said to stay in touch. The managers wanted to hire me but got overruled. They all said I'm on the short list for any future openings. (To me, that doesn't mean shit. These positions don't become open very often. The fact that there were three over a six-month period of time was baffling. I missed on all three and now there is nothing local available and my not be for years to come.)
 

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Thanks. In all three instances, I knew at least one person personally (people in higher up positions with pull). I work in a small field, so the degrees of separation between connections are minimal. In all three instances, I had multiple connections - directors, managers, doctors, owners, etc. It made absolutely no difference.

At this point, I've taken it personally. A pessimist's perception in that I'm the common denominator here.

1) Doctor overruled the hiring committee due to my lack of experience with a particular type of treatment they do. Makes sense, but I've been formally trained on that style of treatment and it's very easy to learn (simple as a couple different button clicks). Ultimately, it's a ridiculous reason to dismiss my 15 years of experience. But the person they hired required no additional training so I at least understand the thought process.

2) Hiring committee chose the other candidate because said person had a previous work history with the company. It was an easier transition to just rehire her and plug her back into the system. By their own admission, they almost hired both of us but ultimately couldn't find room in the budget due to lack of remote contracts.

3) I got railroaded/sandbagged by one jerk of a doctor by all accounts. No one will bluntly state it, but said to read between the lines. Some are saying it was a male/female thing. This doctor wanted to hire a woman, end of story. The hiring committee had me pegged for the role. They even went as far as to enroll me in the additional training and it was already budget-approved....prior to even offering me the job, this was all arranged. All they needed to do was get consent by the physicians and one of them said no. So I was dead in the water.

Again, I knew higher-ups at all three of these clinics. It's how I was able to be the first one interviewed for all of the openings. But in the end, it just didn't work out. All of these places said to stay in touch. The managers wanted to hire me but got overruled. They all said I'm on the short list for any future openings. (To me, that doesn't mean shit. These positions don't become open very often. The fact that there were three over a six-month period of time was baffling. I missed on all three and now there is nothing local available and my not be for years to come.)
Sounds like quite the dilemma. Your occupation seems to be extremely competitive which isn’t doing you any favors. And I can confirm that affirmative action/diverse hiring bias is an absolute real thing which sounds like isn’t helping your case either.

Shake the pessimism might be a good place to start. Your in a splitting hairs situation and differentiators are key. Instead of focusing on the negative (lack of technology experience), shine some light on how you will/have lapped your competition. Paint a picture of how your performance will and has surpassed your foes/peers. The game is always evolving and therefore the job seekers approach must adapt as well. Stop finding barriers, and start creating solutions. That’s what employers want to hear.
 

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Sounds like quite the dilemma. Your occupation seems to be extremely competitive which isn’t doing you any favors. And I can confirm that affirmative action/diverse hiring bias is an absolute real thing which sounds like isn’t helping your case either.

Shake the pessimism might be a good place to start. Your in a splitting hairs situation and differentiators are key. Instead of focusing on the negative (lack of technology experience), shine some light on how you will/have lapped your competition. Paint a picture of how your performance will and has surpassed your foes/peers. The game is always evolving and therefore the job seekers approach must adapt as well. Stop finding barriers, and start creating solutions. That’s what employers want to hear.

Good advice. Thank you.
 

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I'm getting ready to drop papers and retire. Probably within the next ear-or if they piss me off....

Who knows what I'll do then.
 

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I am a teacher. For the first time, actually debating on getting out. Not sure what I'd do but its getting tough.
 

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I am a teacher. For the first time, actually debating on getting out. Not sure what I'd do but its getting tough.
What has changed recently (or gotten worse) that has you debating getting out?
 

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My wife is a teacher. I tell her that she should leave all the time. She loves teaching, just not the politics and policies that interfere with her ability to do her job. I feel guilty, but I tell her I'd prefer to send our kids to private schools constantly...and she works for one of the top public schools in the state.
 

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My wife is a teacher. I tell her that she should leave all the time. She loves teaching, just not the politics and policies that interfere with her ability to do her job. I feel guilty, but I tell her I'd prefer to send our kids to private schools constantly...and she works for one of the top public schools in the state.
My wife's frustrations are totally different. Small Christian school where finances are really tight. Always having to deal with some difficult parents complaining about their kids grades despite not holding their own kid accountable. Usually results in parents threatening the Administrator that they might pull their kids out. The blame is always cast on the teacher. Administrators who are desperate to not lose any kids and the tuition revenue that comes with it, end up not backing the teachers. The end result in many cases are teachers feeling pressured to make things easier for the kids to get A's and B's so their lives don't end up as a living hell. My wife has held the line and hasn't played that game.

She told our kids that she wouldn't let them get into education. LOL. I've encouraged her to get out as well. Considering what she gets paid (at a small Christian school) and the hours she puts in, I don't think she's significantly above minimum wage.
 

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My wife's frustrations are totally different. Small Christian school where finances are really tight. Always having to deal with some difficult parents complaining about their kids grades despite not holding their own kid accountable. Usually results in parents threatening the Administrator that they might pull their kids out. The blame is always cast on the teacher. Administrators who are desperate to not lose any kids and the tuition revenue that comes with it, end up not backing the teachers. The end result in many cases are teachers feeling pressured to make things easier for the kids to get A's and B's so their lives don't end up as a living hell. My wife has held the line and hasn't played that game.

She told our kids that she wouldn't let them get into education. LOL. I've encouraged her to get out as well. Considering what she gets paid (at a small Christian school) and the hours she puts in, I don't think she's significantly above minimum wage.

The bolded applies to all teachers, I would assume. It's a shame.
 

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I am a teacher. For the first time, actually debating on getting out. Not sure what I'd do but its getting tough.
Let me know how you go man. Same boat. Only things that keeps me in are the family and coaching
 

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I agree. I had no idea it would be this difficult to get a local position. National, remote position? Yes. But not local. At all three places, I knew multiple people (in a position to hire) and it still didn't matter. I've been the bridesmaid all three times.
It looks dismal, but keep focusing. Ten years ago I had to look for another job and being 60 at the time, I had everything stacked against me. I finally got to where I had two offers to choose from and I'm in the best position of my career.
 

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The saga continues...

Job opening 4 and 5....

4) A fully remote position fell into my lap. Could it be fate?! No. After multiple interviews (one of which required me to test out of specific cases....I passed easily), the manager decided against hiring me. I still don't quite understand the reasoning. They claimed I'm not a fit for one particular clinic but could possibly fill needs elsewhere, but those needs elsewhere aren't pressing so they're going to circle back. As of today, they still haven't filled any of their positions.

5) I followed up with the company mentioned in Job #2 above (post 213) and was forwarded to a HR rep in Ohio for an opening. I'm not looking to re-locate so the talks stalled. However, months later they contacted me and said the same position is now available remotely. I did two interviews (phone and virtual) and then voluntarily drove 3 hours (one way) to meet the staff in this clinic. I offered to work there, in person, for the first 2-4 weeks in order to establish a good relationship, etc. They were thrilled. Everything went great.....I haven't heard from them since. It's been over three weeks. I've contacted them twice. No response. There is still hope, I guess. But it's weird to get ghosted right? To my knowledge they haven't interviewed anyone else. They reached out to me for crying out loud!


Note: Job #3, as mentioned above (post 213), has yet to be filled as well.


At this point, I've completely lost hope and confidence. I'm not getting any feedback as to why clinics aren't hiring me. I get all the way to the end, everyone says they love me and can't wait to get me on board....and then nothing. And for some of them to not even fill the position....what the hell is that all about? I feel its me. Do I not interview well? Do I come across poorly? Do I not ask enough questions? I have no idea. Everyone paints me as their best candidate and then either hires someone else or doesn't fill the position at all. This has been the worst professional experience of my entire life.
 

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Time to be more assertive. If you can't talk to them, leave a voice mail. Be straight up with them and tell them it's been X weeks and you think it's only reasonable that they let you know where you stand. Also, play to the personal side. Ask them how they would feel if the roles were reversed? You have nothing to lose at this point.
 

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The saga continues...

Job opening 4 and 5....

4) A fully remote position fell into my lap. Could it be fate?! No. After multiple interviews (one of which required me to test out of specific cases....I passed easily), the manager decided against hiring me. I still don't quite understand the reasoning. They claimed I'm not a fit for one particular clinic but could possibly fill needs elsewhere, but those needs elsewhere aren't pressing so they're going to circle back. As of today, they still haven't filled any of their positions.

5) I followed up with the company mentioned in Job #2 above (post 213) and was forwarded to a HR rep in Ohio for an opening. I'm not looking to re-locate so the talks stalled. However, months later they contacted me and said the same position is now available remotely. I did two interviews (phone and virtual) and then voluntarily drove 3 hours (one way) to meet the staff in this clinic. I offered to work there, in person, for the first 2-4 weeks in order to establish a good relationship, etc. They were thrilled. Everything went great.....I haven't heard from them since. It's been over three weeks. I've contacted them twice. No response. There is still hope, I guess. But it's weird to get ghosted right? To my knowledge they haven't interviewed anyone else. They reached out to me for crying out loud!


Note: Job #3, as mentioned above (post 213), has yet to be filled as well.


At this point, I've completely lost hope and confidence. I'm not getting any feedback as to why clinics aren't hiring me. I get all the way to the end, everyone says they love me and can't wait to get me on board....and then nothing. And for some of them to not even fill the position....what the hell is that all about? I feel its me. Do I not interview well? Do I come across poorly? Do I not ask enough questions? I have no idea. Everyone paints me as their best candidate and then either hires someone else or doesn't fill the position at all. This has been the worst professional experience of my entire life.
Are you a sex offender or have any gun charges?
 

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Time to be more assertive. If you can't talk to them, leave a voice mail. Be straight up with them and tell them it's been X weeks and you think it's only reasonable that they let you know where you stand. Also, play to the personal side. Ask them how they would feel if the roles were reversed? You have nothing to lose at this point.

I would agree with this, except I wouldnt do the personal side thing. There's a chance they are just having corporate dysfunction and your potential position has been put on the backburner. Sounding accusatory on a voicemail could cause them to actually reject you.

I don't think I've ever been ghosted after an in-person interview, so your whole situation seems really strange. I think I would definitely leave a voice-mail (max one per two weeks until after the second VM then call twice per week) asking for an update, restating your excitement for the potential position. If they make you send a second voice-mail, I would begin to include a request that they let you know so you can move on to other opportunities.
 
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I found myself job searching for the first time in 10 years earlier this summer. I had a few prospective employers that seemed over the moon about the interview and they didn't get back for 3+ weeks. It turned out one of the other hiring managers was out of the office on vacation and they had to conduct a secondary interview before anything got finalized. Schedule was a bit busy after the vacation and all that. Unfortunately for them I had already taken a new position by the time they got back to me with an offer, and my current job was better. That's the way things go in the corporate world sometimes, hiring processes can take awhile. I would follow up for sure to let them know you're still interested, but try not to push any buttons.
 

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I found myself job searching for the first time in 10 years earlier this summer. I had a few prospective employers that seemed over the moon about the interview and they didn't get back for 3+ weeks. It turned out one of the other hiring managers was out of the office on vacation and they had to conduct a secondary interview before anything got finalized. Schedule was a bit busy after the vacation and all that. Unfortunately for them I had already taken a new position by the time they got back to me with an offer, and my current job was better. That's the way things go in the corporate world sometimes, hiring processes can take awhile. I would follow up for sure to let them know you're still interested, but try not to push any buttons.
I’ve seen similar situations where someone was needed to just rubber stamp something and it sat on their desk for weeks while the rubber stamper sat in the Bahamas or was dealing with other life stuff. I’ve also seen it where someone finally just stands up and says “oh shit, did anyone call John?”
 

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I’ve seen similar situations where someone was needed to just rubber stamp something and it sat on their desk for weeks while the rubber stamper sat in the Bahamas or was dealing with other life stuff. I’ve also seen it where someone finally just stands up and says “oh shit, did anyone call John?”

This happens all the time. Everything takes longer in corporate world than I was used to after leaving a law firm. 3 weeks goes by in a blink when 5 different people have to approve something.
 

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This happens all the time. Everything takes longer in corporate world than I was used to after leaving a law firm. 3 weeks goes by in a blink when 5 different people have to approve something.
5 different people in 3 different states sometimes.
 

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The saga continues...

Job opening 4 and 5....

4) A fully remote position fell into my lap. Could it be fate?! No. After multiple interviews (one of which required me to test out of specific cases....I passed easily), the manager decided against hiring me. I still don't quite understand the reasoning. They claimed I'm not a fit for one particular clinic but could possibly fill needs elsewhere, but those needs elsewhere aren't pressing so they're going to circle back. As of today, they still haven't filled any of their positions.

5) I followed up with the company mentioned in Job #2 above (post 213) and was forwarded to a HR rep in Ohio for an opening. I'm not looking to re-locate so the talks stalled. However, months later they contacted me and said the same position is now available remotely. I did two interviews (phone and virtual) and then voluntarily drove 3 hours (one way) to meet the staff in this clinic. I offered to work there, in person, for the first 2-4 weeks in order to establish a good relationship, etc. They were thrilled. Everything went great.....I haven't heard from them since. It's been over three weeks. I've contacted them twice. No response. There is still hope, I guess. But it's weird to get ghosted right? To my knowledge they haven't interviewed anyone else. They reached out to me for crying out loud!


Note: Job #3, as mentioned above (post 213), has yet to be filled as well.


At this point, I've completely lost hope and confidence. I'm not getting any feedback as to why clinics aren't hiring me. I get all the way to the end, everyone says they love me and can't wait to get me on board....and then nothing. And for some of them to not even fill the position....what the hell is that all about? I feel its me. Do I not interview well? Do I come across poorly? Do I not ask enough questions? I have no idea. Everyone paints me as their best candidate and then either hires someone else or doesn't fill the position at all. This has been the worst professional experience of my entire life.


Keep your patients my man. The corporate world trying to act the the government agencies.
 

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Thanks for all the input. I’m hoping it’s just corporate red tape and that it works out in the end.

It’s been a difficult experience. The only reason I truly started looking for jobs was to find one that allowed me to spend more time with my kids.
 

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I am a teacher. For the first time, actually debating on getting out. Not sure what I'd do but its getting tough.
Man, this speaks to my soul. Going into year 19. The job has changed a lot. People don't understand how hard it is (but that's probably true of almost anyone looking at a job from the outside that they have no experience with).

I usually get the itch by now that school is starting soon, but this year it's just dread and anxiety.

I know I should probably stay because of the years I have put in and how dumb it would be at this point to not get the retirement benefits. But, that also seems a very long way down the road and I just don't know if I can mentally get there.

I also really don't know what else I would do that would have comparable pay. As someone with Secondary Education and History undergrad degree and two Masters in education and educational technology I feel like there's not much out there outside of education that I am qualified for.
 
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