ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[WilliamWallace]

With the Playoff increase to 12 teams, I don't see a reason that ND needs to join a conference. Now, if teams start blackballing them, and refusing to schedule them, then that would force their hand. Other than that, why should they join one?

I don’t think they will until they’re forced. But, as BobbyMac stated, if we get to P2, I believe it’s inevitable. Even then there’s a chance they could remain independent, but I could see the P2 making conference affiliation a requirement for the post season to force our hand.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Haha, what?

Their starting QB, RB, and WR’s are all former elite prospects.

Klubnick (6th), Shipley (32nd), Williams (61st), Collins (86th), and Randall (111th).

Rankings don’t matter once they get to college… I don’t think they’re as good as they were ranked. They didn’t wow me like some of the past studs they’ve had. still early on for klubnick obviously.

I don’t see 2018 Lawrence etienne Higgins Renfrow Ross Rodgers type talent and ability or 2016 watson mike Williams, etc

I expect Clemson to be better than 2022 but not world beaters

Example …. I think colzie isn’t very good and he was ranked high, I think tyree is fast but that’s it and he was ranked high, Buchner was ranked high and I think he’s a bad qb… my point is I don’t see first or second rounders (maybe Shipley) at skill for Clemson

 

[BobbyMac]

How on God's green earth is the B1G the "premier college athletic conference?" Look, I get it, you don't like the SEC and/or the South. I wholly disagree with you and your comments, and I presume the majority will as well, but no reason to be petty. In the meantime, we'll keep cranking out national champions.

I'm obviously talking about the post NCAA, P2 world. So I did not infer "is" like you did.

At that time, the B1G side is going to be on all 4 coasts, the SEC side will not. The B1G's viewership will obviously be much larger than the SEC's side. Eyeballs equals money.

I don't dislike the SEC vs liking the B1G. I'm Switzerland on the topic. Not a fanboi of either. I wish ND could remain independent forever and still be a P2 school but they can't and Swarbrick has been actively involved with defining what this post NCAA will look like and ND's place in it.

As for not liking the south, my entire family's from south of the Mason-Dixon, the only places I own property is in AZ and Kentucky... where I plan to retire along with Sanibel Island. So I'm going to disagree with that assertion.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Remaining independent is stupid. First, they have restriction on their scheduling due to the ACC affiliation. They might as well join a conference and make way more money, establish meaningful, new rivalries and it will help in recruiting.

They need to join a conference to secure a Bye round in the CFP. They are being penalized purposefully by the NCAA. Surprising Savvy Jack agreed.

SEC is way beyond Big 10 in what it would offer ND. It would be a bold move and so different than the small ball moves they have typically made.

 

[dublinirish]

No need to leave the Gulch for that. Just go
to the Station Inn.

Is Pins Mechanical considered the Gulch? I feel that’s the only joint near there I thought was fun for work events


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[BobbyMac]

Remaining independent is stupid. First, they have restriction on their scheduling due to the ACC affiliation. They might as well join a conference and make way more money, establish meaningful, new rivalries and it will help in recruiting.

SEC is way beyond Big 10 in what it would offer ND. It would be a bold move and so different than the small ball moves they have typically made.

What new markets will the SEC bring in?

What will the SEC offer ND that the future B1G won't?

 

[Irish#1]

Remaining independent is stupid. First, they have restriction on their scheduling due to the ACC affiliation. They might as well join a conference and make way more money, establish meaningful, new rivalries and it will help in recruiting.

They need to join a conference to secure a Bye round in the CFP. They are being penalized purposefully by the NCAA. Surprising Savvy Jack agreed.

SEC is way beyond Big 10 in what it would offer ND. It would be a bold move and so different than the small ball moves they have typically made.

What could the SEC offer that the B1G couldn’t? Money? No, Participation in Olympic sports? No, Playing OSU, scUM, PSU and USC would attract as much publicity and attention as playing Tenn, OU, Bama and UGA.

 

[Irishdrunk]

What could the SEC offer that the B1G couldn’t? Money? No, Participation in Olympic sports? No, Playing OSU, scUM, PSU and USC would attract as much publicity and attention as playing Tenn, OU, Bama and UGA.

Yes but the best HS players are in the South. Being in the SEC would strengthen our ability to recruit those areas much better.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yes but the best HS players are in the South. Being in the SEC would strengthen our ability to recruit those areas much better.

And when the B1G has schools in GA & FL, what's your logic?

 

[stlnd01]

Yes but the best HS players are in the South. Being in the SEC would strengthen our ability to recruit those areas much better.

Eh. I dunno. Most of those kids aren't buying what we're selling, and we already recruit the ones who are. And in all other regards, we're a much better fit with the Big 10.

 

[forkbeard3777]

What new markets will the SEC bring in?

What will the SEC offer ND that the future B1G won't?

Why do you continually keep bringing up “markets?” This isn’t 2000. There are these mom and pop shops that just got in the game, maybe you’ve heard of them? Apple, YouTube and Amazon.

 

[forkbeard3777]

What could the SEC offer that the B1G couldn’t? Money? No, Participation in Olympic sports? No, Playing OSU, scUM, PSU and USC would attract as much publicity and attention as playing Tenn, OU, Bama and UGA.

Jesus Christ, you’re so far off it’s unreal. Keep peddling on. So will we.

 

[forkbeard3777]

And when the B1G has schools in GA & FL, what's your logic?

You just presume that’ll happen. Sure, take Georgia Tech. Just like Maryland and Rutgers, huge “markets” and they’ll really move the needle. Can’t wait to tune into the Ramblin’ Wreck game!

Take Miami. No one cares. They haven’t been relevant in 20+ years. The school’s admin doesn’t care.

 

[Irish#1]

You just presume that’ll happen. Sure, take Georgia Tech. Just like Maryland and Rutgers, huge “markets” and they’ll really move the needle. Can’t wait to tune into the Ramblin’ Wreck game!

Take Miami. No one cares. They haven’t been relevant in 20+ years. The school’s admin doesn’t care.

The flaw in your logic is you’re focused on FB. No doubt it drives the bus, but you still have to consider how the overall fit is.

 

[Irishdrunk]

The flaw in your logic is you’re focused on FB. No doubt it drives the bus, but you still have to consider how the overall fit is.

Shouldn’t we be focused on Football?

 

[forkbeard3777]

The flaw in your logic is you’re focused on FB. No doubt it drives the bus, but you still have to consider how the overall fit is.

😂 Yeah…that’s my “flaw.” Focusing strictly on football. ND should have just hired you to right the ship once that dicknose, Swarbrick, retires.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Shouldn’t we be focused on Football?

Nope. The Olympics sports, in particular, fencing or rowing. That’s what moves the needle and keeps the athletic department in operation.

ETA: It’s also pretty funny, too, given that (arguably) the most famous “Olympic”’athlete in college athletics is at LSU (Livvy Dunne). Now, I’m not implying that has anything to do with athletics…I couldn’t even tell you if she is a good gymnast or not.

In all seriousness, at the end of the day, like it or not,football is what matters. It funds itself and every other sport. You have to remember, with the exception of a dozen or so basketball schools, a handful of SEC baseball schools, maybe a few hockey teams here and there, all other athletics lose money. They rely on the football program and its revenue to remain operational.

 

[dublinirish]

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[Reaper97]

Didn’t know where else to put it, but since it’s from IB’s free podcast, I figured I would put it here.

They talk ye about how hard they were on Al Golden & the ND defense last year, but after talking to others they went back & analyzed ND’s defense the back half of the year after changes in personnel happened & they ran more of their ideal scheme.

They took the last 6 games, but didn’t include Navy because that skews the passing defense way better & the rushing defense way worse. But they still started after the Stanford game, which actually would have helped ND’s numbers if they used Stanford, but they didn’t.

The last 6 games they included had 4 ranked opponents at the time of the game.
(Syracuse, Clemson, USC, SC).

ND moved Mills inside.
ND played Watts & Henderson over 50% of the snaps over Griffith & Joseph.
Botehlo entered the rotation. (His stats for combined sacks & hurries against SC was better than any Foskey game last season).
Ben Morrison was the full time starter.
The LB rotation was set.

All the above are important because all those things return this season.

ND’s defense gave up the following, with the national rank next to it;

Total Def: 304.5 12th
YPP: 4.8 14th
Rush: 103.7 14th
Rush YPA: 3.6 28th
Pass: 200.8 27th
Pass YPA: 6.0. 7th
TFL/Game: 8.0 5th
Sacks/Game: 3.5. 3rd

The back half of the season, playing 4 of the 6 games against ranked opponents, ND was a top 12-15 defense, with almost all coming back, & probably much deeper.

 

[zelezo vlk]

How was it in the Red Zone as that was the biggest red flag after the year?

 

[Reaper97]

IB just went off on class rankings & the reality of them, which I found funny because they ALMOST gave BK credit.
They round-about did, but never said his name.

Someone asked about Weis’ 3 straight top 5 classes.
IB went through them & showed how flawed the rankings are because they give so much credit for 5 Stars, regardless how garbage the rest of the class is.
They went through all 3 classes, player by player, & the classes were rough.
Like Driskell, said, they couldn’t even put an 11 on the field, either side of the ball, in each class. And the ones they had never played.

They talked about classes since then (so BK era), and how balanced they all were, and how having starting 11 on both sides wins games, & having 4-5 5 Stars & holes everywhere else is how you go .500

I’ve always said that.
You need balanced classes.
The talk now is how a 5 Star QB changes everything. How about the top 5 Star QB, two classes in a row? That didn’t win, even with multiple 5 Star receivers, because everyone wise stunk.

 

[stlnd01]

Yep. The 5-star QB changes everything IF you have quality depth across most of the rest of the field.
That depth is what we’ve had over the last five or six seasons. It’s easy to take those guys for granted in the chase for “gap-closing” five-stars. But that’s a mistake. As we learned when we didn’t have them under Weis.

 

[Reaper97]

Yep. The 5-star QB changes everything IF you have quality depth across most of the rest of the field.
That depth is what we’ve had over the last five or six seasons. It’s easy to take those guys for granted in the chase for “gap-closing” five-stars. But that’s a mistake. As we learned when we didn’t have them under Weis.

Yep.
I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, give me ND’s team, but with “that guy” at QB and they can win a title.
I’ve heard multiple analysts say that if you swap Lawrence & Book in 2018, ND wins that game.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yep.
I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, give me ND’s team, but with “that guy” at QB and they can win a title.
I’ve heard multiple analysts say that if you swap Lawrence & Book in 2018, ND wins that game.

Those analysts have questionable logic.
Clemson had better horses on offense, plain and simple. They destroyed Alabama in the championship. They had Etienne at RB, Refrow, Amari Rodgers, Tee Higgins at WR.
Defensively they had 3 DL that were drafted in the first 20 picks the next year.
Our defense put up a heck of a performance for a bit, a couple untimely injuries late in the 2nd is what screwed us if I remember, but it would have taken more than a QB change to win that game. That defense seemed to get better as the season went on. They gave up more than 20 points 4 times all season, and 3 of those games were in September.

 

[Reaper97]

Those analysts have questionable logic.
Clemson had better horses on offense, plain and simple. They destroyed Alabama in the championship. They had Etienne at RB, Refrow, Amari Rodgers, Tee Higgins at WR.
Defensively they had 3 DL that were drafted in the first 20 picks the next year.
Our defense put up a heck of a performance for a bit, a couple untimely injuries late in the 2nd is what screwed us if I remember, but it would have taken more than a QB change to win that game. That defense seemed to get better as the season went on. They gave up more than 20 points 4 times all season, and 3 of those games were in September.

ND’s OL neutralized that great Clemson DL. The problem was Book wouldn’t let it go in the passing game against Clemson’s weakness.
The D was fine. When Love left Lawrence immediately picked on Vaughn. Even then, he made 3-4 elite throws, two for TDs.
Even Clemson players & coaches said ND was better than Bama in their opinion.
Book struggled in those situations, Lawrence thrived in them.

 

[Irish#1]

Yep.
I’ve said until I’m blue in the face, give me ND’s team, but with “that guy” at QB and they can win a title.
I’ve heard multiple analysts say that if you swap Lawrence & Book in 2018, ND wins that game.

I think that's the thinking of pretty much everyone. An elite QB can elevate everyone else around him. That's why I'm excited to see what Sam can do.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Great video and great insight into why we struggle with some croots. See the youtuber - very popular college football personality - basically refer to notre dame as a european museum

 

[FWIrish4]

Great video and great insight into why we struggle with some croots. See the youtuber - very popular college football personality - basically refer to notre dame as a european museum

Thought for sure Tobias broke his collar bone when they went to the ground 😂

 

[Reaper97]

Andrew Ivins strikes again.

He just dropped 4 ND commits to 3 Stars.
One was a top 150 player when Ivins took over.
Without any football being played, Ivins dropped him out of the top 247, then in the next ranking dropped him to a 3 Star.

Ivins actually is that guy who HATES ND & its fans. (I know this for a fact because he said so himself when he worked at BGI).

If you have a 247 subscription, I would highly recommend dropping it & letting 247 know how you feel about Ivins being the Director of Scouting, with ZERO background in football, coaching, or scouting. He was a reporter. Period.

It really is bullshit that Ivins is in that position.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Andrew Ivins strikes again.

He just dropped 4 ND commits to 3 Stars.
One was a top 150 player when Ivins took over.
Without any football being played, Ivins dropped him out of the top 247, then in the next ranking dropped him to a 3 Star.

Ivins actually is that guy who HATES ND & its fans. (I know this for a fact because he said so himself when he worked at BGI).

If you have a 247 subscription, I would highly recommend dropping it & letting 247 know how you feel about Ivins being the Director of Scouting, with ZERO background in football, coaching, or scouting. He was a reporter. Period.

It really is bullshit that Ivins is in that position.

Which player??