Immigration

[Sea Turtle]

 

[jprue24]

Steady pushing bigotry.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Steady pushing bigotry.

That's right, these Muslims are bigots towards other muslims.

Hey, jprue24 knows more about the middle east and north Africans than these guys. That's why he has press conferences on it.

 

[jprue24]

That's right, these Muslims are bigots towards other muslims.

Hey, jprue24 knows more about the middle east and north Africans than these guys. That's why he has press conferences on it.

Yes, Hungary....the bastion of the far-right. I'm sure it is a fair assessment.

I was referring to the lady from RAIR though.

 

[PerthDomer]

I would also wonder the impact of widening economic insecurity. Especially in a place like the UK with Brexit being terrible for the economy. I think it adds to your point about the vast cultural differences when you compare immigration in the US vs UK, as undocumented immigrants appear to not increase violent crime in the US but in the UK it seems different. Also, wish there was more data publicly available since most of the data seems to be from 2010-2019.

I wonder what leads to the US having lower crime with more undocumented immigrants vs the UK seeing increases in crime with immigration. They're sending their best????

1. US - https://www.morningsidecenter.org/sites/default/files/documents-pdfs/Immigrants & Crime Charts.pdf
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2. UK - Immigration and Crime in the United Kingdom (Chapter 3) - Does Immigration Increase Crime?

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Interesting thread showing how exceptionally bad France is at integrating immigrants into society compared to the US, UK, and Germany.

 

[GATTACA!]

Interesting thread showing how exceptionally bad France is at integrating immigrants into society compared to the US, UK, and Germany.

But I was told they're just rabid animals that don't have any desire to assimilate???

 

[Sea Turtle]

But I was told they're just rabid animals that don't have any desire to assimilate???

They are feral. But I wouldn't go so far as to say rabid.

 

[drayer54]

Interesting thread showing how exceptionally bad France is at integrating immigrants into society compared to the US, UK, and Germany.

These folks doing the looting and assaulting clearly appear frustrated by their inability to assimilate.

 

[NorthDakota]

Interesting thread showing how exceptionally bad France is at integrating immigrants into society compared to the US, UK, and Germany.

France is pretty based on occasion.

 

[GATTACA!]

France is pretty based on occasion.

Yeah fuck immigrants

 

[Blazers46]

Yeah fuck immigrants

Probably what France is saying right now

 

[GATTACA!]

Probably what France is saying right now

Maybe if they hadn't started with that attitude they wouldn't be in the situation they're in.

 

[Blazers46]

Maybe if they hadn't started with that attitude they wouldn't be in the situation they're in.

Multiculturalism will always be bound to fail. People naturally segregate. For example Black and white people have been through a messy relationship. Now we expect them to coexist in the same communities and play by different rules but yet then by the same. We make laws that are tough on crime, one group feels singled out. Simple voting laws like showing a simple ID is deemed racist. Dumb down standards and another group is upset. Any law passed will seemingly be met with resistance. eventually people just get tired of walking on eggshells and passing laws and policy that have been bent and twisted so many times to make everyone happy that we forget we need to progress as a nation and we regress.

 

[GATTACA!]

Multiculturalism will always be bound to fail. People naturally segregate. For example Black and white people have been through a messy relationship. Now we expect them to coexist in the same communities and play by different rules but yet then by the same. We make laws that are tough on crime, one group feels singled out. Simple voting laws like showing a simple ID is deemed racist. Dumb down standards and another group is upset. Any law passed will seemingly be met with resistance. eventually people just get tired of walking on eggshells and passing laws and policy that have been bent and twisted so many times to make everyone happy that we forget we need to progress as a nation and we regress.

How very Aryan of you.

 

[Blazers46]

How very Aryan of you.

This statement is a great example. Instead of making any sort of coherent argument you just assume I’m racist. An example of how nothing gets accomplished in a multicultural society

 

[Sea Turtle]

This statement is a great example. Instead of making any sort of coherent argument you just assume I’m racist. An example of how nothing gets accomplished in a multicultural society

It's so predictable and tired.

 

[TorontoGold]

Multiculturalism will always be bound to fail. People naturally segregate. For example Black and white people have been through a messy relationship. Now we expect them to coexist in the same communities and play by different rules but yet then by the same. We make laws that are tough on crime, one group feels singled out. Simple voting laws like showing a simple ID is deemed racist. Dumb down standards and another group is upset. Any law passed will seemingly be met with resistance. eventually people just get tired of walking on eggshells and passing laws and policy that have been bent and twisted so many times to make everyone happy that we forget we need to progress as a nation and we regress.

Curious on the below to see if I'm understanding your position correctly.

Where has multiculturalism failed in history?

What do you mean by different rules?

Do you believe society has regressed? If so, what is a time period when society was "right"?

 

[Blazers46]

Curious on the below to see if I'm understanding your position correctly.

Where has multiculturalism failed in history?

What do you mean by different rules?

Do you believe society has regressed? If so, what is a time period when society was "right"?

Ever hear of the holocaust? Just one example. France, how’s it going there?

I don’t think you have to dig far in any country.

Remember the American civil war?

I say “American” because many countries have had civil wars. They aren’t fighting over pizza toppings.

Rules… remember that racist Supreme Court decision the other day? Any war on crime is apparently racist, we can’t even vote with an ID because the left thinks black and brown people are incapable of obtaining an ID.

 

[Blazers46]

Ever hear of the holocaust? Just one example. France, how’s it going there?

I don’t think you have to dig far in any country.

Remember the American civil war?

I say “American” because many countries have had civil wars. They aren’t fighting over pizza toppings.

Rules… remember that racist Supreme Court decision the other day? Any war on crime is apparently racist, we can’t even vote with an ID because the left thinks black and brown people are incapable of obtaining an ID.

On the very micro level High School…. You ask anyone if they would ever go back to high school and they will all have answer that includes a group of people they didn’t like. “Those jocks”
“Those rich kids”
“Inner city school, no thanks”
“It was too clicky”

People (ALL PEOPLE) naturally don’t like different people.

 

[TorontoGold]

Ever hear of the holocaust? Just one example. France, how’s it going there?

I don’t think you have to dig far in any country.

Remember the American civil war?

I say “American” because many countries have had civil wars. They aren’t fighting over pizza toppings.

Rules… remember that racist Supreme Court decision the other day? Any war on crime is apparently racist, we can’t even vote with an ID because the left thinks black and brown people are incapable of obtaining an ID.

What does the holocaust have to do with "multiculturalism" being bad? Because a hateful group tried to exterminate people that means multiculturalism is bad? When a country does a shit job of helping refugees assimilate of course it's going to go poorly, so no surprise with France.

What about the EU? Have you heard of the European Union? Seems like a pretty successful experiment. A few different cultures in there.

What about your point on regression, what in society has regressed? What would be your ideal time period of society?

 

[Blazers46]

I never said “bad”, I’m saying it doesn’t work well. the last few convos I’ve had with you and others you guys make shit up.

 

[TorontoGold]

I never said “bad”, I’m saying it doesn’t work well. the last few convos I’ve had with you and others you guys make shit up.

I asked three simple questions to better understand your position. You responded with holocaust and racist supreme court. Was trying to get perspective on your position, can't have a conversation if someone perpetually wants to be a victim and not provide context.

My personal experience with multiculturalism is one where I can't really see the downside to it at all, I've lived with it my entire life and love the benefits of it. Through studying history it's only seemed to be the intolerant people that are against race mixing, multiculturalism etc. I hoped you could provide a reasonable answer to why you believe that multiculturalism will always be bound to fail. I didn't think these were that bad, if you feel up to it to you can respond.

1) Where has multiculturalism failed in history?

2) What do you mean by different rules?

3) Do you believe society has regressed? If so, what is a time period when society was "right"?

 

[Blazers46]

I asked three simple questions to better understand your position. You responded with holocaust and racist supreme court. Was trying to get perspective on your position, can't have a conversation if someone perpetually wants to be a victim and not provide context.

My personals experience with multiculturalism is one where I can't really see the downside to it at all, I've lived with it my entire life and love the benefits of it. Through studying history it's only seemed to be the intolerant people that are against race mixing, multiculturalism etc. I hoped you could provide a reasonable answer to why you believe that multiculturalism will always be bound to fail. I didn't think these were that bad, if you feel up to it to you can respond.

1) Where has multiculturalism failed in history?

2) What do you mean by different rules?

3) Do you believe society has regressed? If so, what is a time period when society was "right"?

If you don’t think the holocaust is an example where multiculturalism failed then I can’t answer your question at all. Lol

If I can’t use the recent Supreme Court ruling as an example of the different rules then I’ll never be able to answer your question.

Not sure what you want. Glad I didn’t elaborate.

It’s easy to use a very young EU, these things don’t boil over in a few days or even sometimes in a few decades.

 

[TorontoGold]

If you don’t think the holocaust is an example where multiculturalism failed then I can’t answer your question at all. Lol

If I can’t use the recent Supreme Court ruling as an example of the different rules then I’ll never be able to answer your question.

Not sure what you want. Glad I didn’t elaborate.

It’s easy to use a very young EU, these things don’t boil over in a few days or even sometimes in a few decades.

lol using the holocaust to support a position that multiculturalism doesn't work is quite a doozy. A hateful group using economic anxiety commit genocide is why multiculturalism is going to fail. Inside of providing an environment that can be welcoming to many, it's best to not even try because holocaust lmao.

Wait so the EU is a bad example which has been around for 30 years, but the holocaust is a good example? The EU which is bigger in scope and contains many more different ethnicities/cultures.

Look at many other European countries even Germany and the unification of all those varying parties. I would say Germany is a pretty good example. Italy is another good one.

 

[Irish#1]

I guess it depends on what one’s definition of multiculturalism is. People of certain cultures tend to gravitate towards their own because there is a certain comfort level. Indy has a number of areas where several different cultures have purchased homes in new subdivisions rather than buy existing homes so they can be together.

The EU is more of a monetary thing than a merging of cultures.

 

[Blazers46]

lol using the holocaust to support a position that multiculturalism doesn't work is quite a doozy. A hateful group using economic anxiety commit genocide is why multiculturalism is going to fail. Inside of providing an environment that can be welcoming to many, it's best to not even try because holocaust lmao.

Wait so the EU is a bad example which has been around for 30 years, but the holocaust is a good example? The EU which is bigger in scope and contains many more different ethnicities/cultures.

Look at many other European countries even Germany and the unification of all those varying parties. I would say Germany is a pretty good example. Italy is another good one.

So you are arguing the holocaust was a successful example of multiculturalism? Just a few bad racists? Doozy indeed.

The EU is young. I explained that. The holocaust there was a build up that lasted more than a few decades. Imagine living in a world where we just sit around say that just because a block of 30 years Hitler associated with Jews that Hitler loved the Jewish people because they got along so well.

You still keep using present day societies that still exist. Societies inevitably fall, why do they fall? Why do they fail?

 

[Blazers46]

lol using the holocaust to support a position that multiculturalism doesn't work is quite a doozy. A hateful group using economic anxiety commit genocide is why multiculturalism is going to fail. Inside of providing an environment that can be welcoming to many, it's best to not even try because holocaust lmao.

Wait so the EU is a bad example which has been around for 30 years, but the holocaust is a good example? The EU which is bigger in scope and contains many more different ethnicities/cultures.

Look at many other European countries even Germany and the unification of all those varying parties. I would say Germany is a pretty good example. Italy is another good one.

Also if you want to talk present day America and then also complain about white people shooting up minorities, how many minorities have to die to consider America a failed multicultural nation? Whitey has been oppressive since the start and currently still is… success? Failure?

 

[TorontoGold]

So you are arguing the holocaust was a successful example of multiculturalism? Just a few bad racists? Doozy indeed.

The EU is young. I explained that. The holocaust there was a build up that lasted more than a few decades. Imagine living in a world where we just sit around say that just because a block of 30 years Hitler associated with Jews that Hitler loved the Jewish people because they got along so well.

You still keep using present day societies that still exist. Societies inevitably fall, why do they fall? Why do they fail?

What? lol. I never made this connection between the holocaust and ills of multiculturalism, that was you. I already made the point that Nazi's exploited economic anxiety by scapegoating a historically discriminated against group of people.

The EU is a build up of many years, took its modern formation 30 years ago. Is the EU not a success?

The underbelly of antisemitism is always present, I never made any grand proclamations they were holding hands singing kumbaya so unsure why you're going down that lane. What kind of multiculturalism concepts lead to the holocaust?

Because society has progressed past the point of measuring wins/losses as conquered territories? I don't know the specific reasons for why each society fell, but I know if there was an example of one that failed because of multiculturalism you would have used that instead of the holocaust.

If multiculturalism was "going to fail" (remember, you didn't say "bad"), why was the Silk Road so successful?

Also if you want to talk present day America and then also complain about white people shooting up minorities, how many minorities have to die to consider America a failed multicultural nation? Whitey has been oppressive since the start and currently still is… success? Failure?

Despite it's flaws the US still offers a lot of opportunity and freedoms that many don't get in other areas of the world. Part of loving something is to be able to criticize it and stick around for the solution and work towards something that works better. Similar to how all of my sports teams cause me endless heartache but I still will spend Canada Day watching the news for what the Leafs have done.

I think the US is failing because the political ruling class is corporatist fucks who co-opt whatever issue du jour they feel like. There's no progressive party, Crime Bill Joe and DA Harris are the great leaders of the "Left party". What a fucking joke. Conversatives aren't being served either, they've been given Deficit Donald as their champion.

 

[Blazers46]

What? lol. I never made this connection between the holocaust and ills of multiculturalism, that was you. I already made the point that Nazi's exploited economic anxiety by scapegoating a historically discriminated against group of people.

The EU is a build up of many years, took its modern formation 30 years ago. Is the EU not a success?

The underbelly of antisemitism is always present, I never made any grand proclamations they were holding hands singing kumbaya so unsure why you're going down that lane. What kind of multiculturalism concepts lead to the holocaust?

Because society has progressed past the point of measuring wins/losses as conquered territories? I don't know the specific reasons for why each society fell, but I know if there was an example of one that failed because of multiculturalism you would have used that instead of the holocaust.

If multiculturalism was "going to fail" (remember, you didn't say "bad"), why was the Silk Road so successful?



Despite it's flaws the US still offers a lot of opportunity and freedoms that many don't get in other areas of the world. Part of loving something is to be able to criticize it and stick around for the solution and work towards something that works better. Similar to how all of my sports teams cause me endless heartache but I still will spend Canada Day watching the news for what the Leafs have done.

I think the US is failing because the political ruling class is corporatist fucks who co-opt whatever issue du jour they feel like. There's no progressive party, Crime Bill Joe and DA Harris are the great leaders of the "Left party". What a fucking joke. Conversatives aren't being served either, they've been given Deficit Donald as their champion.

i understand what the nazis did. So I am confused as to why you deny this relationship between cultures was not a failure. Give any reason you want, these cultures clashed and failed. Is your argument that despite the holocaust it was a smashing success? Seems like a large black eye to ignore.

30 years is young in the grand scheme of society and build ups.

I don’t know much about Silk Road… you said “was”… curious what happened.

To play your game I need you to answer my question or my panties will give me a wedgie. Why do societies inevitably fail? And has America been a multicultural success? If yes, why are people burning cities down?

 

[drayer54]