Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[IrishLax]

Marcus Freeman official good luck charm

 

[Irishdrunk]

Pretty damn cool.

 

[INLaw]

Right man for the long haul. Hope he gets the patience needed.

 

[Irish#1]

Marcus Freeman official good luck charm

PutuporShutup, how many recruits did we lose with MF wasting his time there?

 

[INLaw]

There is no down side to a first time head coach spending time around champions

 

[PutuporShutup]

PutuporShutup, how many recruits did we lose with MF wasting his time there?

Not sure but we definitely should get some lacrosse players to walk on to the football team now!

 

[irishnd31]

Not sure but we definitely should get some lacrosse players to walk on to the football team now!

3 star lacrosse players

 

[dublinirish]

Not sure but we definitely should get some lacrosse players to walk on to the football team now!

There already is


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[Irish#1]

Not sure but we definitely should get some lacrosse players to walk on to the football team now!

Wait! You’re the guy with all the answers.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I guess you are willing to make excuses because you like him as a person??

I definitely like Freeman way more as a person. But this isn’t rec league football.

Would I rather have 10+ Win Kelly or a 9 Win Freeman? 10 wins gets you in discussions of CFP or NY6 Bowl. 9 wins gets you an okay bowl.

Winning matters more than likability. Freeman better get 10 win in regular season this year or next.

ND won only 9 games primarily due to Kelly's failings on the recruiting trail.

Because of Kelly, we had next to nothing at receiver for most of the year.

Because of Kelly, Buchner was thrust into action with his only primary competition being Drew Pyne, and when he went down, Pyne was our only viable option.

Because of Kelly, there was a gaping hole behind the senior class at LB, thus resulting in minimal competition.

This narrative hinges on comparing what Kelly had in 2018-21 vs. what Kelly WOULD HAVE had in 2022.

Yeah, he did well at LSU. But let's be real, it was a Kelly-like year. The only reason this is even a discussion is because he beat unarguably the worst Alabama team since Saban's first season back in 2007, with Bryce Young playing on a bum shoulder for the 2nd half of the year. It also came with an inexplicable loss to a bad A&M squad, special teams gaffs abound vs. Florida State, and getting embarrassed by the two best teams on the schedule in Tennessee and Georgia. And unlike Freeman at ND, Kelly inherited a good QB via the portal in Jayden Daniels. That played a very significant part in righting the ship.

 

[PutuporShutup]

ND won only 9 games primarily due to Kelly's failings on the recruiting trail.

Because of Kelly, we had next to nothing at receiver for most of the year.

Because of Kelly, Buchner was thrust into action with his only primary competition being Drew Pyne, and when he went down, Pyne was our only viable option.

Because of Kelly, there was a gaping hole behind the senior class at LB, thus resulting in minimal competition.

This narrative hinges on comparing what Kelly had in 2018-21 vs. what Kelly WOULD HAVE had in 2022.

Yeah, he did well at LSU. But let's be real, it was a Kelly-like year. The only reason this is even a discussion is because he beat unarguably the worst Alabama team since Saban's first season back in 2007, with Bryce Young playing on a bum shoulder for the 2nd half of the year. It also came with an inexplicable loss to a bad A&M squad, special teams gaffs abound vs. Florida State, and getting embarrassed by the two best teams on the schedule in Tennessee and Georgia. And unlike Freeman at ND, Kelly inherited a good QB via the portal in Jayden Daniels. That played a very significant part in righting the ship.

Why don’t you also mention the player regression from 2021 to 2022? Foskey, ademilolas, etc or the fact freeman didn’t go get a transfer qb like coan?

I’m not a big Kelly fan but we didn’t lose to Marshall or Stanford because of him.

There's a lot of really really good aspects to freeman, but pretending like he did a good job coaching 13 games last year comes off as a biased/blinded homer.

 

[stlnd01]

This is a silly argument. Notre Dame and LSU are really not the same circumstances at all, so comparing the two coaches performance last year doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
But it is true that if EITHER BK or Freeman had arranged for us to have a better starter or a capable backup at QB last season we win at least one more game and possibly two. That was by far the biggest shortcoming of last year's team, and it's on both of them.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Marcus Freeman, always with the best UA ND drip.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This is a silly argument. Notre Dame and LSU are really not the same circumstances at all, so comparing the two coaches performance last year doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
But it is true that if EITHER BK or Freeman had arranged for us to have a better starter or a capable backup at QB last season we win at least one more game and possibly two. That was by far the biggest shortcoming of last year's team, and it's on both of them.

Kelly took a terrible LSU team that went 6-7 the year before, hit the portal, made moves, and went 10-4 in his first year.

Freeman took a 11-1 team, collapsed in the bowl game then went 9-4 with the easiest schedule we've had in some time. He knowingly decided not to take a portal QB and that cost us at minimum 2 games. If we didn't land Coan for 2021 we lose at least 3 more games in 21. The only reason you might have not taken a transfer QB for 2022 is not wanting to lose buchner. That didn't work out well.

The two situations are completely different I agree. Kelly came in and did far better than the prior coach at LSU, freeman came in and did far worse than the prior coach at ND. That's the valid comparison.

I'm completely fine with kelly gone, he wasn't going to take us up a notch. Freeman has the potential to do that if he becomes really good at the coaching and development aspect of being a head coach.

It was freemans first year as a coach. He made some major mistakes but should have learned. Getting hartman was a HUGE first step.

We're set up to make a run at it this year, lets see what he's got!!!

 

[Irish#1]

Kelly took a terrible LSU team that went 6-7 the year before, hit the portal, made moves, and went 10-4 in his first year.

Freeman took a 11-1 team, collapsed in the bowl game then went 9-4 with the easiest schedule we've had in some time. He knowingly decided not to take a portal QB and that cost us at minimum 2 games. If we didn't land Coan for 2021 we lose at least 3 more games in 21. The only reason you might have not taken a transfer QB for 2022 is not wanting to lose buchner. That didn't work out well.

The two situations are completely different I agree. Kelly came in and did far better than the prior coach at LSU, freeman came in and did far worse than the prior coach at ND. That's the valid comparison.

I'm completely fine with kelly gone, he wasn't going to take us up a notch. Freeman has the potential to do that if he becomes really good at the coaching and development aspect of being a head coach.

It was freemans first year as a coach. He made some major mistakes but should have learned. Getting hartman was a HUGE first step.

We're set up to make a run at it this year, lets see what he's got!!!

This is how I imagine Putuporshutup

 

[Crazy Balki]

Why don’t you also mention the player regression from 2021 to 2022? Foskey, ademilolas, etc or the fact freeman didn’t go get a transfer qb like coan?

I’m not a big Kelly fan but we didn’t lose to Marshall or Stanford because of him.

There's a lot of really really good aspects to freeman, but pretending like he did a good job coaching 13 games last year comes off as a biased/blinded homer.

I didn't mention it, because it didn't happen. Foskey didn't regress last year. You could potentially make an argument for Jayson, but a lot of that can be attributed to injuries he suffered during the year.

And you act like there was a noticeable upgrade available in the portal that ND could realistically get. The most notable options were Slovis and Daniels, both of which were very mediocre for their programs. At that point, you'd rather roll with Buchner. And those two aren't coming unless they're basically assured the starting role, which, why would you do for somebody of such middling talent?

So, unless you expect Freeman to land Caleb Williams, that argument is moot.

As for your idea that Kelly wouldn't lose to Marshall or Stanford?...how....how long have you been a fan?

Tulsa? Navy? South Florida? Northwestern? Duke? Michigan State? Need. I. Go. On?

Hell, the only reason that he didn't lose to the likes of bad teams like Florida State, Toledo and Virginia Tech is because he was able to stumble across a quality veteran QB in Jack Coan to bail him out, something that Freeman didn't have the luxury of. Not to mention heroics from Kyle Hamilton, somebody who Kelly failed to recruit over after landing him, which goes back to my original point.

So yeah, try again. Your arguments are getting railed on because they're awful almost all of the time.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This is how I imagine Putuporshutup

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That's' what you look like when you imagine? Makes sense

 

[Huntr]

That's' what you look like when you imagine? Makes sense

Fuckin got em

 

[Irishdrunk]

ND won only 9 games primarily due to Kelly's failings on the recruiting trail.

Because of Kelly, we had next to nothing at receiver for most of the year.

Because of Kelly, Buchner was thrust into action with his only primary competition being Drew Pyne, and when he went down, Pyne was our only viable option.

Because of Kelly, there was a gaping hole behind the senior class at LB, thus resulting in minimal competition.

This narrative hinges on comparing what Kelly had in 2018-21 vs. what Kelly WOULD HAVE had in 2022.

Yeah, he did well at LSU. But let's be real, it was a Kelly-like year. The only reason this is even a discussion is because he beat unarguably the worst Alabama team since Saban's first season back in 2007, with Bryce Young playing on a bum shoulder for the 2nd half of the year. It also came with an inexplicable loss to a bad A&M squad, special teams gaffs abound vs. Florida State, and getting embarrassed by the two best teams on the schedule in Tennessee and Georgia. And unlike Freeman at ND, Kelly inherited a good QB via the portal in Jayden Daniels. That played a very significant part in righting the ship.

Crazy:

1. So we lost of Marshall and an awful Stanford team because we had lesser talent? GMAFB.
2. You do remember MF and TR discussed taking a Transfer QB prior to last season and decided not to. THEY DIDN"T EVEN TRY. This mistake is theirs. They own that.
3. "Kelly inherited a good QB via the portal...." Have you been drinking??? LOL. Didn't know you can inherit a player from the portal. No Kelly turned that program around quickly.

 

[greyhammer90]

 

[Crazy Balki]

Crazy:

1. So we lost of Marshall and an awful Stanford team because we had lesser talent? GMAFB.
2. You do remember MF and TR discussed taking a Transfer QB prior to last season and decided not to. THEY DIDN"T EVEN TRY. This mistake is theirs. They own that.
3. "Kelly inherited a good QB via the portal...." Have you been drinking??? LOL. Didn't know you can inherit a player from the portal. No Kelly turned that program around quickly.

You continue to astonish me with how dense and ignorant your arguments are:

1. I never said that. You are making up an argument that was never presented. You did argue that we wouldn't lose to Marshall or Stanford with Kelly. There is a list of examples that prove you wrong, and even at his peak, he came dangerously close to losing to the Marshall/Stanfords of the schedule in 2021. The only reason those games didn't become losses was due to having a veteran, experienced QB.

2. Once again. Who are they getting that is an upgrade over Buchner? Caleb Williams isn't coming to ND. And don't say Slovis or Daniels. There's a reason why they both have transferred twice already. They proved that they weren't good enough. Would they be better than Pyne? Perhaps, but ND can't rock the boat over a modest upgrade over their backup. This year, ND landed a far better QB than anything that was realistically available to them last season. That is the difference.

3. Laughable that I'm being accused of drunk posting from a dude named Irish Drunk. Kelly had the ability to go after Jayden Daniels and despite the lack of numbers, LSU always has talent, and took advantage of a really bad SEC West. Who was good in the west this year? Alabama was down, as previously mentioned. Arkansas, Ole Miss and Mississippi State were mediocre at best. Auburn and A&M were complete dumpster fires, and LSU somehow managed to lose to one of them and honestly should have lost to the other. So excuse me that I'm not as impressed with him winning a crap west division as you are, especially since again, in typical Kelly fashion, he imploded when it mattered most.

 

[NDQuebec]

You continue to astonish me with how dense and ignorant your arguments are:

1. I never said that. You are making up an argument that was never presented. You did argue that we wouldn't lose to Marshall or Stanford with Kelly. There is a list of examples that prove you wrong, and even at his peak, he came dangerously close to losing to the Marshall/Stanfords of the schedule in 2021. The only reason those games didn't become losses was due to having a veteran, experienced QB.

2. Once again. Who are they getting that is an upgrade over Buchner? Caleb Williams isn't coming to ND. And don't say Slovis or Daniels. There's a reason why they both have transferred twice already. They proved that they weren't good enough. Would they be better than Pyne? Perhaps, but ND can't rock the boat over a modest upgrade over their backup. This year, ND landed a far better QB than anything that was realistically available to them last season. That is the difference.

3. Laughable that I'm being accused of drunk posting from a dude named Irish Drunk. Kelly had the ability to go after Jayden Daniels and despite the lack of numbers, LSU always has talent, and took advantage of a really bad SEC West. Who was good in the west this year? Alabama was down, as previously mentioned. Arkansas, Ole Miss and Mississippi State were mediocre at best. Auburn and A&M were complete dumpster fires, and LSU somehow managed to lose to one of them and honestly should have lost to the other. So excuse me that I'm not as impressed with him winning a crap west division as you are, especially since again, in typical Kelly fashion, he imploded when it mattered most.

Blaming last season's 8-4 record on Kelly is, uhm, a reach to be polite. Will he also be responsible for this year's record? Kelly went 11-1 and 10-2 for years, yet it's his fault that Freeman went 8-4. Geez.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Blaming last season's 8-4 record on Kelly is, uhm, a reach to be polite. Will he also be responsible for this year's record? Kelly went 11-1 and 10-2 for years, yet it's his fault that Freeman went 8-4. Geez.

Yep, in 2021 Kelly made Rees change the offense due to our oline being not great and jack struggling with longer reads and pocket presence. Freeman isn’t capable of that yet.

Shockingly freeman hasn’t been able to help red zone D or lb play to this point when defense is supposed to be his expertise.

Kelly also built a culture of winning and beating all the teams you should even when you aren’t playing well. We didn’t have that last year.

No clue if we could have got a good transfer qb because we didn’t try. Dart, Ewers, rattler, ward…. Could we have gotten one of them?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Blaming last season's 8-4 record on Kelly is, uhm, a reach to be polite. Will he also be responsible for this year's record? Kelly went 11-1 and 10-2 for years, yet it's his fault that Freeman went 8-4. Geez.

Really?

Blaming the guy who recruited pretty much the entirety of the roster that comprised the 2022 team is a "reach to be polite".

Forgive me if I say that is complete and utter bullshit.

Like seriously, did you even read any of my prior comments?

I went into detail on this already. The reason ND didn't lose to Toledo or FSU or Virginia Tech is because ND had Jack Coan and Kyle Hamilton. Period. No debate.

Freeman didn't have an option to go after a Jack Coan in 2022. There wasn't one. Our inebriated friend may argue there was, but he's yet to provide a name. Coan bailed Kelly out of what appeared to be sure-fire losses to Toledo and Virginia Tech. Kyle Hamilton had several key plays that kept ND from collapsing on opening day against FSU. That was the different between 11-1 and 8-4, not Kelly's brilliant coaching. It was also a FAR easier schedule in 2021 than 2022. Again, no debate. ND's best wins that year were Wisconsin, Purdue and Toledo. So two middling Big Ten west teams and a middle of the pack MAC squad they should've lost to had Toledo just sat on the ball.

Why is it a reach to blame the guy who failed to adequately recruit the LB corp to the point where we had limited options given how horrible the LB play was early on in '22? Why is it a reach to blame him for how shoddy the safety group was? Why is it a reach to blame him for us having, what? 4 scholarship receivers to start the year in '22? Why is it a reach to blame him for us having no option other than Drew Pyne to start behind Buchner? He and Long could've gone after several other more talented and higher potential QB's, but chose to stick with Pyne. Not Freeman. Kelly.

So yeah. I'm gonna say it's NOT a reach.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Yep, in 2021 Kelly made Rees change the offense due to our oline being not great and jack struggling with longer reads and pocket presence. Freeman isn’t capable of that yet.

Shockingly freeman hasn’t been able to help red zone D or lb play to this point when defense is supposed to be his expertise.

Kelly also built a culture of winning and beating all the teams you should even when you aren’t playing well. We didn’t have that last year.

No clue if we could have got a good transfer qb because we didn’t try. Dart, Ewers, rattler, ward…. Could we have gotten one of them?

Once again, an unsubstantiated claim based on nothing.

And you accuse me of drinking?

Dart? Had proved nothing up to that point and was coming off an injury and proved he was mediocre. Not even close to an upgrade over Buchner. Hell, I'd argue he was hardly an upgrade over Pyne.

Ewers? Wasn't going somewhere to compete. Again moot.

Rattler? Good lord man, you can't be sober.

Ward? The dude from INCARNATE WORD!? What the fuck are you on?

You have to be trolling. These are not valid names that substantiate your claim, at all.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Really?

Blaming the guy who recruited pretty much the entirety of the roster that comprised the 2022 team is a "reach to be polite".

Forgive me if I say that is complete and utter bullshit.

Like seriously, did you even read any of my prior comments?

I went into detail on this already. The reason ND didn't lose to Toledo or FSU or Virginia Tech is because ND had Jack Coan and Kyle Hamilton. Period. No debate.

Freeman didn't have an option to go after a Jack Coan in 2022. There wasn't one. Our inebriated friend may argue there was, but he's yet to provide a name. Coan bailed Kelly out of what appeared to be sure-fire losses to Toledo and Virginia Tech. Kyle Hamilton had several key plays that kept ND from collapsing on opening day against FSU. That was the different between 11-1 and 8-4, not Kelly's brilliant coaching. It was also a FAR easier schedule in 2021 than 2022. Again, no debate. ND's best wins that year were Wisconsin, Purdue and Toledo. So two middling Big Ten west teams and a middle of the pack MAC squad they should've lost to had Toledo just sat on the ball.

Why is it a reach to blame the guy who failed to adequately recruit the LB corp to the point where we had limited options given how horrible the LB play was early on in '22? Why is it a reach to blame him for how shoddy the safety group was? Why is it a reach to blame him for us having, what? 4 scholarship receivers to start the year in '22? Why is it a reach to blame him for us having no option other than Drew Pyne to start behind Buchner? He and Long could've gone after several other more talented and higher potential QB's, but chose to stick with Pyne. Not Freeman. Kelly.

So yeah. I'm gonna say it's NOT a reach.

There's definitely not a QB you can go after when you don't try. I never accused you of drinking. Maybe you are since you keep bringing it up.

What in gods name makes you think buchner is good? He's worse than Pyne. He was horrible last year, he was horrible in practice leading up to last year. Just because he's bigger and more athletic doesn't mean he's better. It's just potential, and he clearly has no clue how to play the QB position. Maybe saban fixes that.

The fact you keep stating our roster was the reason to blame for our record last year when our Roster curb stomped Clemson, but yet lost to Marshall and an absolutely terrible stanford team. How can both happen? Coaching maybe?

ND prior to 2022 season - "We're not going to look at a transfer QB"

ND prior to 2023 season - "We let all our qbs know we will be looking at the portal to strengthen our QB room". Guess what happened, a QB not in the portal, entered the portal, and ended up coming to ND, and is the main reason ND should be really good this year. He's so good, it forced your stud QB to leave because he realized he couldn't compete with him. I was higher on buchner than anyone 4 years ago, I was wrong. I admit that.

 

[Crazy Balki]

There's definitely not a QB you can go after when you don't try. I never accused you of drinking. Maybe you are since you keep bringing it up.

What in gods name makes you think buchner is good? He's worse than Pyne. He was horrible last year, he was horrible in practice leading up to last year. Just because he's bigger and more athletic doesn't mean he's better. It's just potential, and he clearly has no clue how to play the QB position. Maybe saban fixes that.

The fact you keep stating our roster was the reason to blame for our record last year when our Roster curb stomped Clemson, but yet lost to Marshall and an absolutely terrible stanford team. How can both happen? Coaching maybe?

ND prior to 2022 season - "We're not going to look at a transfer QB"

ND prior to 2023 season - "We let all our qbs know we will be looking at the portal to strengthen our QB room". Guess what happened, a QB not in the portal, entered the portal, and ended up coming to ND, and is the main reason ND should be really good this year. He's so good, it forced your stud QB to leave because he realized he couldn't compete with him. I was higher on buchner than anyone 4 years ago, I was wrong. I admit that.

So, by your logic, Freeman is absolutely to blame for losing to Marshall/Stanford, but he couldn't be responsible for beating Clemson.

See how your logic falters?

You say that Kelly never lost to the Marshall/Stanfords, despite history clearly showing you wrong.

Then you point out Clemson as a point towards Kelly. Except Kelly had 12 seasons to beat a Clemson type opponent. How many times did he accomplish that? I'd say, generously, there was Oklahoma in 2012, Michigan State in 2013 and Michigan in 2018. So about a win in every 4 seasons. If Freeman fails to beat a Clemson-level opponent by 2025, we can address this.

And once again, you have failed to provide a legitimate name for a QB who would've been a legitimate upgrade over Buchner. Not a SINGLE name you mentioned was. NOT. ONE.

And as for your claim that you never accused me of drinking...ahem:

Quote #1471

3. "Kelly inherited a good QB via the portal...." Have you been drinking??? LOL. Didn't know you can inherit a player from the portal. No Kelly turned that program around quickly.

You lose.

Good day sir.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

On a completely different note from whatever is going on here, if anyone wants to burn an hour at work today, I found a video that might interest you. Its a breakdown of Luke Fickell's defense, but that means its also a breakdown of Freeman's defenses when he was at Cincinnati. Most of the video is history and how the earlier heavy 3-4 defenses adapted to offensive changes, but the end goes into the dollar defense, some of its variations, and potential changes. The last few minutes specifically are interesting from the perspective of what we might see with our defense this season and in the near future.

 

[PutuporShutup]

So, by your logic, Freeman is absolutely to blame for losing to Marshall/Stanford, but he couldn't be responsible for beating Clemson.

See how your logic falters?

You say that Kelly never lost to the Marshall/Stanfords, despite history clearly showing you wrong.

Then you point out Clemson as a point towards Kelly. Except Kelly had 12 seasons to beat a Clemson type opponent. How many times did he accomplish that? I'd say, generously, there was Oklahoma in 2012, Michigan State in 2013 and Michigan in 2018. So about a win in every 4 seasons. If Freeman fails to beat a Clemson-level opponent by 2025, we can address this.

And once again, you have failed to provide a legitimate name for a QB who would've been a legitimate upgrade over Buchner. Not a SINGLE name you mentioned was. NOT. ONE.

And as for your claim that you never accused me of drinking...ahem:

Quote #1471


You lose.

Good day sir.

First....... ummm, IrishDrunk isn't me lol. Not sure if you realized irishdrunk doesn't read putuporshutup? You ok? You drinking? Now I feel like I should ask.

With that said. Freeman gets and I have given him insane credit for how well prepared and ready to play ND was vs Clemson. He also gets a ton of credit for the team being mentally prepared for Ohio State. It's exactly why it's clear he didn't have the team prepared vs marshall and stanford. We flat out got pushed around both games and that just can NOT happen vs them. It's one thing to be in a tight game when you shouldn't be, it's another to get physically whipped.

You ask when did kelly beat a clemson level opponent? Well first off he beat clemson when they were #1, so yeah there's that. 2nd. The clemson team last year was not even close to a great team. I'd say Kelly probably had 10 wins as good as last years clemson team. That doesn't diminish the fact we physically whipped clemson, kelly didn't do that a much vs good teams. Freeman gets credit here for sure.

Every name I mentioned was better than buchner........ Pyne is/was better than buchner. Slovis, Daniels they are better than buchner. There was an epic failure not even attempting to get a transfer QB, then a failure not having buchner prepared to play when by all accounts pyne was playing better in practice. Pyne is not a good QB, but with our talent advantages last year we probably go 10-2 if pyne had started from day 1 with the offense built around him. How you can watch buchner and think he has a clue how to play QB is besides me. His spring game was as bad as it gets. People are hanging their hat on him having some good plays against south carolina's second string defense. Their first string was bad, so that shows how bad their second string was.

No clue why you are falling down the deep end, i hope it's not the bottle.