'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[Irishdrunk]

Never had the feeling Parker and Freeman were as enamored with Buchner as Rees. I was never a big fan of Buchner’s “skill set” as others either.

That may be true and I would agree with Parker and Freeman on the assessment. However, losing a game experienced Backup at this point is not good.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Buchner going to Bama makes zero sense. Why would he go there and have to compete for a job not knowing if he will get to be the starter or not then he is in the same boat. There isn't many Power 5 teams going to promise him a job.

 

[brewdog_14527]

That may be true and I would agree with Parker and Freeman on the assessment. However, losing a game experienced Backup at this point is not good.

But in this day and age, aren't most backups going to be inexperienced? Walker Howard went to TCU. He is inexperienced. The experienced guys are going to look for starting spots elsewhere. Pyne left because he wanted to be a starter. I am not sure what happens with Tyler, and I will wish him the best, but it appears that the days of waiting for someone to get hurt so you can play or trying to beat out the incumbent are over. I think it is up to the coaches to get Steve and Kenny ready. Tyler was a Rees guy, as was Steve. Kenny was the first guy to be recruited by a Freeman led staff, so the concern may be that he would be the favored one of the staff and he is young. But he EE'd, so maybe Gino can get him moving.

 

[forkbeard3777]

The timing of this just doesn't make sense to me. Why do you believe Buchner is just now announcing that he's entering into the transfer portal? I believe Hartman announced the he'd be transferring to Notre Dame in January. From that very moment, it was made clear to everyone that Hartman, barring injury, was going to be the starter for the 2023 season. In what world are we living in if we didn't know that Hartman, a four-year starter with approximately 50 games under his belt, and the ACC all-time leader in touchdowns and number 2 in the ACC in all-time passing yards, would beat out a guy with 3 starts (one of which was abysmal), 1-2 record, less than 1,000 passing yards, and more interceptions than touchdowns? Any discussion that this was an "open competition" and a "quarterback battle" is nothing more than mere window dressing.

Do you think MF did it to appease Buchner? Buchner had to know that he wasn't beating out Hartman. Hartman didn't transfer to Notre Dame to sit the bench; thus, wouldn't it make sense for Buchner to immediately jump ship and get on a team and undergo a full spring practice. Is something else there that I'm not aware of - e.g., is Buchner set to graduate this spring and earn a Notre Dame degree (which would, obviously, warrant staying through the spring semester)?

Lastly, do you think MF is making a mistake by "leaving the door open" for Buchner to test the transfer-portal waters? I understand MF wants the depth at, arguably, the most important position, but truthfully, I despise it. And, it also does set a precedent. Other players are going to want to be afforded the same opportunity - i.e., flirt with teams, see what else is out there, and still have the opportunity to come back. I don't blame them. If not, it displays favoritism.

Just wanting to get your two cents.

 

[stlnd01]

Never had the feeling Parker and Freeman were as enamored with Buchner as Rees. I was never a big fan of Buchner’s “skill set” as others either.

It may also just be that Buchner’s skills don’t mesh that well with the system they intend to run. Having a backup for whom you’d need to redesign the offense on the fly if the starter goes down doesn’t make a ton of sense.
The OC/system change may also explain why Buchner would leave now, instead of in the first portal window (when Rees was still OC).

 

[Mattmags]

'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (Transfer to Alabama)

Argh this is so dumb, for him. Yes, clearly Hartman is the better QB right now but Buchner has tons of time left on the clock. He should stick, and learn, and win the job for 24 (or leave then if he can’t). Also what P5 program is going to hand him a starting job when he wasn’t there for spring...

www.irishenvy.com

See the Tyler Buchner thread.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Rees didn't leave until February; two weeks after the transfer portal closed for the winter.

 

[stlnd01]

My guess (as I’ve posted in the Buchner thread): Its not so much about Hartman being the starter - that was obvious in early Jan., and Buchner has plenty of time to wait his turn - as the turnover at OC/QB coach.

Rees was still here in the first portal window, and he’d be comfortable with Buchner and vice versa, but by spring ball maybe it became clear that Parker/Gino wanted to move the offense in a different direction that fits Buchner’s skills less well. So he moves along. And it’s no accident the first school he visits is Bama.

As for coming back, maybe it’s Bama or bust for TB, with returning to ND as a fallback if it doesn’t work there. We’ll see. It is hard to envision him being handed a P5 starting job anyplace where the OC hasn’t known him for years. I would take him back, fwiw. He seems like a good/tough young man.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Dear God, please let him transfer to Alabama!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!

 

[forkbeard3777]

'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (Transfer to Alabama)

Argh this is so dumb, for him. Yes, clearly Hartman is the better QB right now but Buchner has tons of time left on the clock. He should stick, and learn, and win the job for 24 (or leave then if he can’t). Also what P5 program is going to hand him a starting job when he wasn’t there for spring...

www.irishenvy.com

See the Tyler Buchner thread.

Ty.

 

[NorthDakota]

Dear God, please let him transfer to Alabama!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!

Neither team in the picture is Alabama.

 

[Giddyup]

Think Freeman got his qb in Hartman and one of the qb’s was gonna transfer from the start.

 

[TorontoGold]

Dear God, please let him transfer to Alabama!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!

Classless, you're a clown.

 

[Kingbish01]

I'm a betting man, and if I had to bet....I'd bet he doesn't have the interest he'd have hoped for and will be back at ND. Sure, he could go to Stanford, Cal, UCLA or SDST but that just seems like a tough situation even for a kid that wants to start. I say there is no way he ends up at Bama.

 

[Giddyup]

I wouldn’t even want him back. Once you walk out that door you’re dead to me.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I have been a big fan of Buchner since he committed. I always thought if he could learn to throw the ball he would be a star. But then take a step back and think how dumb that's sounds...if a QB could just figure out how to throw...

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I have been a big fan of Buchner since he committed. I always thought if he could learn to throw the ball he would be a star. But then take a step back and think how dumb that's sounds...if a QB could just figure out how to throw...

Watch some of his Junior film(?), dude was ripping it all over. There is a bunch of video of him training as well. Nice over the top motion, good looking throws ect ect.... Then he went to some QB GURU, and came out looking like Chad Bradford throwing frigging underhand almost. Went to Elite 11 and people were like "umm... what happened?"

I am pretty sure i got that right

 

[stpeteirish]

I'm a betting man, and if I had to bet....I'd bet he doesn't have the interest he'd have hoped for and will be back at ND. Sure, he could go to Stanford, Cal, UCLA or SDST but that just seems like a tough situation even for a kid that wants to start. I say there is no way he ends up at Bama.

Then why the hell is he currently on a visit there? Just to see how Tommy's enjoying marital bliss?

 

[Irish4life]

Watch some of his Junior film(?), dude was ripping it all over. There is a bunch of video of him training as well. Nice over the top motion, good looking throws ect ect.... Then he went to some QB GURU, and came out looking like Chad Bradford throwing frigging underhand almost. Went to Elite 11 and people were like "umm... what happened?"

I am pretty sure i got that right

The motion wasn't and isn't a problem. Hartman throws the ball the exact same way. His biggest issue is lack of game reps at both the HS and college level.

 

[IrishLax]

I think the timing of Rees leaving contributed. Rees likely kept him from jumping in the portal by promising development + a package of plays + the ability to be a multi-year starter. You lose your coach and then you lose the trust and probably look at it like "well let's see how the spring goes but then I need to consider my options."

 

[NDdomer2]

merge please

 

[forkbeard3777]

Classless, you're a clown.

Lighten up, Nancy.

Honest to God, if TB goes to Alabama and starts, he may get Rees fired in year one. With a schedule that consists of Texas, @ South Florida, Ole Miss, @ A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, @ Kentucky, and @ Auburn...I see a few losses there. Alabama fans would lose their shit over that, especially if UGA runs the table, LSU wins the West, you have a tough game and/or loss to Texas and Ole Miss, Auburn and A&M makes improvement, etc.

 

[NorthDakota]

Lighten up, Nancy.

Honest to God, if TB goes to Alabama and starts, he may get Rees fired in year one. With a schedule that consists of Texas, @ South Florida, Ole Miss, @ A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, @ Kentucky, and @ Auburn...I see a few losses there. Alabama fans would lose their shit over that, especially if UGA runs the table, LSU wins the West, you have a tough game and/or loss to Texas and Ole Miss, Auburn and A&M makes improvement, etc.

He put up 45 points in his only game against an SEC team. I'm sure he'd be just fine.

 

[IrishLax]

Lighten up, Nancy.

Honest to God, if TB goes to Alabama and starts, he may get Rees fired in year one. With a schedule that consists of Texas, @ South Florida, Ole Miss, @ A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, @ Kentucky, and @ Auburn...I see a few losses there. Alabama fans would lose their shit over that, especially if UGA runs the table, LSU wins the West, you have a tough game and/or loss to Texas and Ole Miss, Auburn and A&M makes improvement, etc.

I think it's pretty clear that if Buchner were to start at Bama and fail that it would almost certainly cost Rees his job because he's the new guy AND he's the guy that brought in Buchner. So there'd be nowhere to point the finger besides at Tommy.

Now if Buchner went to Bama and dominated that's the better thought experiment. How would people feel about Rees and Buchner then? We really don't know what Buchner has to offer because we saw him get so few starts.

 

[FU BK]

He put up 45 points in his only game against an SEC team. I'm sure he'd be just fine.

But how many of their starters were sitting out to enter the portal or training for nfl or other reasons? If I remember correctly it was 8-10 on both sides of the ball and they still damn near pulled it off. Believe me, I want to see every player that comes to ND succeed, but sadly that's not always the case

 

[GATTACA!]

But how many of their starters were sitting out to enter the portal or training for nfl or other reasons? If I remember correctly it was 8-10 on both sides of the ball and they still damn near pulled it off. Believe me, I want to see every player that comes to ND succeed, but sadly that's not always the case

He also threw two pick 6s

 

[dublinirish]

He also threw two pick 6s

you always want your QB to throw a healthy amount of interceptions

 

[forkbeard3777]

Two pick 6s as well. He also looked crummy against Ohio State and abysmal against Marshall. But maybe, we’ll see…

 

[Reaper97]

Quick couple questions for the Buchner haters in here….

1) What if he really never wanted to leave? Someone else was involved, & he still wants to be at ND.

2) He stays at ND?

 

[forkbeard3777]

Quick couple questions for the Buchner haters in here….

1) What if he really never wanted to leave? Someone else was involved, & he still wants to be at ND.

2) He stays at ND?

1. Great. Stay, and add depth. Learn. He’ll likely be the starter next season.

2. See #1, above.