2022-2023 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

[notredomer23]

Honest question, as.I am surely no college basketball expert…… but, is ND F***ED for the foreseeable future ???

Probably but it doesn’t have to be if that makes sense. We will see based on the new coach and what they are able to do in the portal. Multi-year rebuild is likely.

 

[NDty9]

Probably but it doesn’t have to be if that makes sense. We will see based on the new coach and what they are able to do in the portal. Multi-year rebuild is likely.

Makes sense .. need a Home run hire. No way Swarbrick will screw that up , right…………………

 

[Irish14]

Campbell in portal


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[arrowryan]

Honestly, Brey’s departure is worse than BK’s. At least Brian gave Freeman a roster good enough to have some immediate success. Brey leaves the basketball program in shambles and we’re supposed to expect this university to take full advantage of the portal? Lol

 

[anarin]

Honestly, Brey’s departure is worse than BK’s. At least Brian gave Freeman a roster good enough to have some immediate success. Brey leaves the basketball program in shambles and we’re supposed to expect this university to take full advantage of the portal? Lol

This is what has blown my mind about his departure. I kept seeing all of these celebration posts about what he has done here, and all this love thrown at him.

But when you think about it, he literally just left the program in absolute shambles. I mean the next coach they hire will have a LARGE task ahead of him to try to get them even slightly competitive.

 

[Irish14]

This is what has blown my mind about his departure. I kept seeing all of these celebration posts about what he has done here, and all this love thrown at him.

But when you think about it, he literally just left the program in absolute shambles. I mean the next coach they hire will have a LARGE task ahead of him to try to get them even slightly competitive.

Makes you wonder if any of the guys that have been linked to the job even want to come to this absolute dumpster fire.


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[arrowryan]

This is what has blown my mind about his departure. I kept seeing all of these celebration posts about what he has done here, and all this love thrown at him.

But when you think about it, he literally just left the program in absolute shambles. I mean the next coach they hire will have a LARGE task ahead of him to try to get them even slightly competitive.

The next head coach probably has a better than 50% chance at failing. All thanks to Brey.

 

[Rack Em]

Are we sure this is all on Brey? How much of this was Swarbrick telling him "It's time to retire"?

If Swarbrick said, "Hey, I don't want to have to fire you" then Swarbrick shares some of the blame even if pushing Brey out was the right move.

 

[NDPhilly]

Auto transfer rule will decimate teams that lose established coaches. See LSU last year with Will Wade.

 

[sfk324]

Auto transfer rule will decimate teams that lose established coaches. See LSU last year with Will Wade.

Yep. Nothing to do with Brey, who told guys on the roster and in the recruiting class to stay and see who the coach is going to be. But the fact of the matter is a lot of the kids on the team are there because Brey was going to be their coach. That's a lot of uncertainty to put yourself through when you don't know who the next guy is going to be and you don't want to be stuck without another good option. It would be an objectively bad move not to enter the portal.

 

[irishfan]

Are we sure this is all on Brey? How much of this was Swarbrick telling him "It's time to retire"?

If Swarbrick said, "Hey, I don't want to have to fire you" then Swarbrick shares some of the blame even if pushing Brey out was the right move.

Brey needed to go and IMO he needed to be fired when he did while also deserving to coach out the rest of this season after 20+ years with us. We had a good freshman class this season and another good one coming in next year, so I don’t think Brey fully mailed it in these last couple years. With the current roster turnover, I think there’s an unfortunate perfect storm for our program right now with the new portal-era, NIL, and a rudderless program that has had a poor few years.

 

[dang227]

This is what has blown my mind about his departure. I kept seeing all of these celebration posts about what he has done here, and all this love thrown at him.

But when you think about it, he literally just left the program in absolute shambles. I mean the next coach they hire will have a LARGE task ahead of him to try to get them even slightly competitive.

Completely agree. He buried the program


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[dublinirish]

 

[irishff1014]

Yep. Nothing to do with Brey, who told guys on the roster and in the recruiting class to stay and see who the coach is going to be. But the fact of the matter is a lot of the kids on the team are there because Brey was going to be their coach. That's a lot of uncertainty to put yourself through when you don't know who the next guy is going to be and you don't want to be stuck without another good option. It would be an objectively bad move not to enter the portal.

When things change quitting isn’t the answer. But that’s what the NCAA is teaching these kids.

 

[sfk324]

When things change quitting isn’t the answer. But that’s what the NCAA is teaching these kids.

If coaches can leave for greener pastures at the drops of a hat, then players should be able to, as well. Like it or not, most high-level D1 players have aspirations of playing professionally, whether in the NBA or overseas. Staying in a dead-end situation when you have a finite amount of eligibility is foolish.

 

[FWIrish4]

If coaches can leave for greener pastures at the drops of a hat, then players should be able to, as well. Like it or not, most high-level D1 players have aspirations of playing professionally, whether in the NBA or overseas. Staying in a dead-end situation when you have a finite amount of eligibility is foolish.

Well 99% of college players will not be playing professionally so graduating is kinda important. Hard to do with any degree of value when you go to 3 schools over your college career.

 

[irishff1014]

If coaches can leave for greener pastures at the drops of a hat, then players should be able to, as well. Like it or not, most high-level D1 players have aspirations of playing professionally, whether in the NBA or overseas. Staying in a dead-end situation when you have a finite amount of eligibility is foolish.

College sports are turning into families that have another family member die and there’s money involved. It turns into a terrible situation.

And second ND is different then other colleges. You get hurt as some places the pull your scholarship and we all know that isn’t happening at ND.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

When things change quitting isn’t the answer. But that’s what the NCAA is teaching these kids.

I disagree I think the lesson to be learned is one we are all taught or discover in the business world is to always seek out better opportunities for success. Loyalty in a bad situation leaves money on the table. Always maximize your opportunities.

 

[notredomer23]

I disagree I think the lesson to be learned is one we are all taught or discover in the business world is to always seek out better opportunities for success. Loyalty in a bad situation leaves money on the table. Always maximize your opportunities.

Yep. Every player should at minimum enter the portal. They should also give the new coach a chance. A good coach/recruiter can show players like Starling and Campbell what an opportunity they have ahead of them if they stay at ND.

 

[sfk324]

Well 99% of college players will not be playing professionally so graduating is kinda important. Hard to do with any degree of value when you go to 3 schools over your college career.

This misses the point. The 1% stat is only for the NBA in terms of basketball and for all conferences and divisions. So granting that, it misses those who play overseas, in the G-league, etc. It also covers all of the levels and conferences. For P5 players, it's closer to 80% who play professionally somewhere in their first year out.

Men's Basketball: Probability of competing beyond high school

Men's Basketball: Probability of competing beyond high school

www.ncaa.org

But beyond that, the guys leaving the current team are highly recruited freshmen (other than Carmody, who has his degree already), and telling them they aren't going to make it and are throwing their futures away seems a bit early. Regardless, it's still their decision to make. I hope ND gets the hire right and that they all ultimately decide to stay (although I frankly expect Starling will go to Cuse given his relationship with Autry from his original recruitment), but entering the portal at this point is objectively the right decision to make for guys who likely committed to ND largely to play for Brey (for Lubin and Dom, they likely also committed to learn from Hump, too, and he's also gone) until they get a better idea of what the future of ND basketball is going to look like.

 

[irishff1014]

Yep. Every player should at minimum enter the portal. They should also give the new coach a chance. A good coach/recruiter can show players like Starling and Campbell what an opportunity they have ahead of them if they stay at ND.

If you enter the portal your ass ain’t welcome back. There’s the door don’t let it hit you.

 

[irishff1014]

I disagree I think the lesson to be learned is one we are all taught or discover in the business world is to always seek out better opportunities for success. Loyalty in a bad situation leaves money on the table. Always maximize your opportunities.

You’ll never be happy just chasing a dollar.

 

[irishfan]

If you enter the portal your ass ain’t welcome back. There’s the door don’t let it hit you.

Not welcoming back Starling would be quite the move

 

[Irish14]

If you enter the portal your ass ain’t welcome back. There’s the door don’t let it hit you.

I imagine ur one of the people at football games that complain to ushers if someone stands and cheers


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[notredomer23]

If you enter the portal your ass ain’t welcome back. There’s the door don’t let it hit you.

There are plenty of examples within Notre Dame sports programs of athletes entering the portal and returning, baseball and football included. This is the smart choice. Depending on the coach, their abilities may not be maximized with the new coach and therefore their futures impacted. Idk why you wouldn't want athletes to choose what they feel is best for them when you can literally get up and leave your job at the snap of the finger if you wanted to.

 

[irishff1014]

There are plenty of examples within Notre Dame sports programs of athletes entering the portal and returning, baseball and football included. This is the smart choice. Depending on the coach, their abilities may not be maximized with the new coach and therefore their futures impacted. Idk why you wouldn't want athletes to choose what they feel is best for them when you can literally get up and leave your job at the snap of the finger if you wanted to.

Your right I can but there is repercussions for my actions. I lose seniority, I start at the bottom of the ladder in Accruing time off, and so forth.

 

[irishff1014]

I imagine ur one of the people at football games that complain to ushers if someone stands and cheers


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Negative

 

[notredomer23]

Your right I can but there is repercussions for my actions. I lose seniority, I start at the bottom of the ladder in Accruing time off, and so forth.

On the contrary, in most private sector jobs if you think about leaving and have an offer, if your current company values you, you usually get a raise and other benefits for staying. You don't have to like it, but that's essentially what the transfer portal is now. Starling in particular is going to get a big pay day whether he leaves or is convinced to stay.

 

[Irish14]

Crystal ball for Starling to Syracuse


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[Cackalacky2.0]

You’ll never be happy just chasing a dollar.

I didn’t say to just chase the dollar. I said maximize your opportunities which affects your potential earnings.