ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[FDNYIrish1]

For all the talk of different media members not having sources, I'll share an interesting tidbit about ISD tomorrow and how they worked harder to get the scoop on Luke. Some people assumed this info filtered through Brice but it actually didn't. I'll also share why Luke did not take the job.

IMO, what you'll see eventually is guys like those at ISD and Loy, who is also a hard worker, will continue to develop sources/information after some time because they're professionals. Professional reporting is not easy and it doesn't come from being a fan.

Others likely won't and will get stuck recycling information. I doubt the level of symbiosis that some had before with the old regime will return, but all media operates on a system of trust and two-way value. So there will certainly be new bridges built over time and many still exist.

Ahhh the old “how do you keep a message board full of assholes in suspense” trick! Looking forward to the insight Lax. Thanks in advance.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Oh I definitely want to know the specifics on Matt Luke pushing away. What did Swarbrick do this time??

 

[PANDFAN]

i listened to the goolsby, singer and some other dude podcast yesterday for the 1st time....I thought people said they like Goolsby or however you spell it....the podcast in my opinion was terrible...wouldn't recommend

1. II and not even close
2. ISD if freeman isn't on so i don't have to hear him breathe the whole time and act like he hates being there.

 

[sfk324]

i listened to the goolsby, singer and some other dude podcast yesterday for the 1st time....I thought people said they like Goolsby or however you spell it....the podcast in my opinion was terrible...wouldn't recommend

1. II and not even close
2. ISD if freeman isn't on so i don't have to hear him breathe the whole time and act like he hates being there.

People seem to like Goolsby because he's a former player and he has no filter. That's not just here, it's on other boards, too. I tend to agree though, there's not a lot there. But whatever, to each their own.

 

[dublinirish]

Athletic is cutting beat writers


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[sixstar]

Maybe he can coach our OL

 

[NDQuebec]

Are you talking about Driskell defending his Intel that Swarbrick initially was told the buyout was like $450K based on Ludwig's old contract and when he heard his current contract was $2.8MM he balked at the buyout. That ND tried to "Negotiate with Utah" and were stymied and then Ludwig decided to stay at Utah and pull out consideration based on Swarbrick and Admin balking....

I actually believe this intel because Swarbrick's letter to the boosters seems to reflect this being possible. The only more weird letter I have read recently was the Jonetbene Ramsey's ransom letter....

I am talking about Driskel and his staff constantly, and not in a very nice way, calling JS a liar when he wrote that he did not refuse to pay the buyout. MF repeated the same thing several times. By extension, if he is accusing JS of lying about this, he is also indirectly accusing MF of lying.

I would hazard to say that MF must not be very happy, to say the least, about what Irish Breakdown is accusing JS about. If you believe his intel, then you also believe MF lied. JS surely tried to negotiate the buyout to a lower level. Any decent AD would do the same. In the end however, I believe JS and MF when the claim ND accepted the full buyout and that Ludwig had a change of heart. That is, in essence, what both Freeman and Swarbick say and what IB claims is an outright lie. And I would bet that Freeman is not very happy with IB and their accusation. Give it some time and at some point, Ludwig will say the same (that after thinking this over with his family and friends, he decided to stay in Utah). Notre Dame just witnessed the same thing with Luke. He had to be very interested in the job to come visit and interview, but when all is said and done, he decided to stay in Georgia for family reasons.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

You don't honestly think JS and Vinny's dad would come out and say, "we suck at this" or We got caught with our pants down" do you?

1000% HCMF is towing the company line, and rightfully so. Doesn't mean it's the truth.

 

[IrishLax]

Ahhh the old “how do you keep a message board full of assholes in suspense” trick! Looking forward to the insight Lax. Thanks in advance.

So here's the summary, now that I'm allowed to share:

ISD got information here by going outside the normal ND staff connections to develop sources close to the interview process with Matt Luke. You can read between the lines on who those might be. These sources indicated that it was a family decision so he and his wife looked at the schools, where they might live, etc. Ultimately Luke's wife wasn't comfortable moving to South Bend, but Freeman did everything he could to get him to consider the job.

 

[NDQuebec]

Oh I definitely want to know the specifics on Matt Luke pushing away. What did Swarbrick do this time??

Nothing. Both Luke and Ludwig were very interested in the positions ND offered but in the end, uprooting your family is tougher than it seems and both decided to stay where they were. JS, although he handled the Ludwig thingy in an awful way, is not the reason that either of them has refused the ND offers.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

So here's the summary, now that I'm allowed to share:

ISD got information here by going outside the normal ND staff connections to develop sources close to the interview process with Matt Luke. These sources indicated that it was a family decision so he and his wife looked at the schools, where they might live, etc. Ultimately Luke's wife wasn't comfortable moving to South Bend, but Freeman did everything he could to get him to consider the job.

To quote the great poet Jay-Z

I got 99 problems .... oh wait, Luke has 100 problems apparently

 

[T-Boone]

i listened to the goolsby, singer and some other dude podcast yesterday for the 1st time....I thought people said they like Goolsby or however you spell it....the podcast in my opinion was terrible...wouldn't recommend

1. II and not even close
2. ISD if freeman isn't on so i don't have to hear him breathe the whole time and act like he hates being there.

Goolsby is best on his own show after games on a Sunday. He is entertaining and overall very good in that setting as I see it.
All the topics at the moment are just crap. I couldn’t listen to these shows at the moment.

Did you not at least like the bit where he said of BK: “blah blah blah facilities. Yeah but you were also just a F’d recruiter”.?

That’s how he is on the Goolsby show.

 

[T-Boone]

People seem to like Goolsby because he's a former player and he has no filter. That's not just here, it's on other boards, too. I tend to agree though, there's not a lot there. But whatever, to each their own.

He has interesting takes like being pro Buchner and pretty much anti Hartman. That is at least interesting.

 

[Huntr]

Athletic is cutting beat writers


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They cut Bitter and the Hokies beat today, too.

 

[Giddyup]

ChatGPT strikes again

 

[stpeteirish]

I disagree on the premise Driskell got it wrong. His intel was spot-on. He also had the gumption to run with it. Props to him and I was surprised he went all Genghis Kahn on Savvy Jack and RP the III. I thought he was going to have a heart attack.

Where Driskell is lost is the notion that Freeman would agree with him and thereby openly blame his boss. Freeman knows how to do the Corporate Two-Step like any other big corporation executive.

Driskell I think then realized his vexing problem. He can be an honest beat report and critique management and lose even more access and subscribers or he can go back to his old homerish ways and keep some ability to have access and keep the salty peanuts of the world paying his bills. After slurping down a few Dews and Built Bars he decided on the latter approach and not the former.

 

[dublinirish]

They cut Bitter and the Hokies beat today, too.

Yeah they’ve had guys move to pro beats or leave and then not be replaced. Texas and OU don’t have Athletic beat writers now which is kind of wild


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[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

People seem to like Goolsby because he's a former player and he has no filter. That's not just here, it's on other boards, too. I tend to agree though, there's not a lot there. But whatever, to each their own.

the utter lack of a filter and shit talking current players is pretty hilarious

 

[irishandy]

So here's the summary, now that I'm allowed to share:

ISD got information here by going outside the normal ND staff connections to develop sources close to the interview process with Matt Luke. You can read between the lines on who those might be. These sources indicated that it was a family decision so he and his wife looked at the schools, where they might live, etc. Ultimately Luke's wife wasn't comfortable moving to South Bend, but Freeman did everything he could to get him to consider the job.

Lax- thanks for the information. Based off what you are saying this is not a Jack Swarbrick problem with Luke?

After hearing Freeman talk about the Ludwig situation are you sold on that Ludwig didn't want to come to ND or do you think it is still an admin problem with not wanting to pay his buyout? Ludwig is from Utah, maybe he didn't want to leave or did he use this opportunity for more leverage to get more $$ from Utah?

Some thoughts....thanks for sharing.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

So here's the summary, now that I'm allowed to share:

ISD got information here by going outside the normal ND staff connections to develop sources close to the interview process with Matt Luke. You can read between the lines on who those might be. These sources indicated that it was a family decision so he and his wife looked at the schools, where they might live, etc. Ultimately Luke's wife wasn't comfortable moving to South Bend, but Freeman did everything he could to get him to consider the job.

It doesn’t surprise me that it was his wife that would be the final decision maker in this case and I’m sure part of it was the kids as well. I wouldn’t expect anyone to bring their entire family to a new place unless the family really needed the job or they really liked the change of scenery.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I think prior to this connected economy, people could easily tolerate living in cold climates like northern Indiana. But now with Work From Anywhere and the connected economy, people are more and more migrating to better weather climate locales. This obviously doesn't help ND vs. SEC and Pac 12 competitors for recruits and top coaches.

Unfortunately a coach cannot do Zoom Calls to coach the team. Many people from the South hate cold weather locales. This cannot help ND.

 

[NDFAN420]

Nothing. Both Luke and Ludwig were very interested in the positions ND offered but in the end, uprooting your family is tougher than it seems and both decided to stay where they were. JS, although he handled the Ludwig thingy in an awful way, is not the reason that either of them has refused the ND offers.

I think that you're reading some of what you want to be true into it. It was likely a combination of factors and JS's handling of the situation made it easier to stay in Utah. Even Mendoza knows that it wasn't handled the right way. I think that he left South Bend fully intending to be the next OC at ND and so did MF. Now they're circling the wagons and telling their side, their way. Ludwig has been silent, but Utah reporters haven't been and certainly believe that there's more to it than just family.

 

[allenm5333]

Ludwig seems to be a combo of family and ND mishandling things. The mishandling things was the tipping point in favor of staying. Luke seems 100% family

 

[Sea Turtle]

Ludwig seems to be a combo of family and ND mishandling things. The mishandling things was the tipping point in favor of staying. Luke seems 100% family

That's it then. Stop recruiting coaches who have families....

 

[Irishdrunk]

Ludwig seems to be a combo of family and ND mishandling things. The mishandling things was the tipping point in favor of staying. Luke seems 100% family

I think it was mostly how it was mishandled. Swarbrick's letter belies what happened. ND Admin screwed the pooch. A savvy guy like Ludwig could tell if they were squimish on the buyout then other things bad would likely happen if he were to join. He is not an idiot.

 

[irishff1014]

I think prior to this connected economy, people could easily tolerate living in cold climates like northern Indiana. But now with Work From Anywhere and the connected economy, people are more and more migrating to better weather climate locales. This obviously doesn't help ND vs. SEC and Pac 12 competitors for recruits and top coaches.

Unfortunately a coach cannot do Zoom Calls to coach the team. Many people from the South hate cold weather locales. This cannot help ND.

People have been saying in the recruiting threads since I have been on this site if ND was in Texas, California, Florida or anywhere down there it would change the recruiting.

Imo that’s a soft narrative. If you are good enough to go to the NFL what about all the northern teams? Are you to soft for the NFL and Green Bay.

I live in MD and I hate the heat. No way in would I want to live down South years round. Yes we have some humidity but we came up for the Boston College game with the snow last year and I felt right at home. Hell we were out and about every day. But my next game will be a little warmer.

 

[Irishdrunk]

People have been saying in the recruiting threads since I have been on this site if ND was in Texas, California, Florida or anywhere down there it would change the recruiting.

Imo that’s a soft narrative. If you are good enough to go to the NFL what about all the northern teams? Are you to soft for the NFL and Green Bay.

I live in MD and I hate the heat. No way in would I want to live down South years round. Yes we have some humidity but we came up for the Boston College game with the snow last year and I felt right at home. Hell we were out and about every day. But my next game will be a little warmer.

Thats a fair point except you get Drafted in the NFL whereas you can choose where to go to college. And with the NFL you are making serious money so you can always get a condo in Miami or wherever warm.

People moving down from colder climates to warmer climates - not the other way around.

 

[stlnd01]

Personally I would take the weather in South Bend - or pretty much anywhere in the Big Ten - over pretty much anywhere in the SEC, every day of the week. Yeah it can get cold in the winter but you can buy a good coat. You can't dress your way out of the heat. But then I live in New England.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Personally I would take the weather in South Bend - or pretty much anywhere in the Big Ten - over pretty much anywhere in the SEC, every day of the week. Yeah it can get cold in the winter but you can buy a good coat. You can't dress your way out of the heat. But then I live in New England.

I live in PA, but I'm not dying here. Sun does wonders for health, and you don't have to shovel the heat.

 

[BobbyMac]

I live in PA, but I'm not dying here. Sun does wonders for health, and you don't have to shovel the heat.

It also can kill you, trust me.

I'll take the SW over everywhere else because of the lack of dreariness. The sun shines on 330-340 days a year in Scottsdale. My last month in Chicago before moving here had 2-3 sunny days and they were cold af. The gray days of winter are soul suckers. And add to that, 7 months of the year the trees are leafless and everything looks dead.

But the weather in Michiana IS great in September & half of October when it's not raining. A sunny day between 65-70 for a game at ND is HEAVEN. That's my window to come home for games. Besides that, it's too humid / cold / rainy / mosquito / fly / tornado / pothole infested for me.

So the question is... Do you move to the SE to breath soup and dodge hurricanes, move to Phoenix / Vegas and find shade or move to San Diego and complain about nothing but the cost of living?