'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

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Luckylucci said:
Because that's not how it played out in real time. I love Jamie U but that article is the definition of disingenuous. It's Monday Morning QB'ing, literal, years of roster decisions. To which Elston does not presently have the ability to respond too with his version of the depth chart.

Guys were moved, over that time, in and out of those position groups. Ovie is a good example of that. He didn't recruit Ovie to Vyper. But they moved him there. At one point, that factored into his depth chart for numbers he could recruit too. At one point, very recently, Elston's Vyper depth chart was so flush with experience and talent, that Ovie went to Texas. How about Osita Ekwonu? At one point, whoever made those decisions, put 2 or 3 Vypers on his depth chart over 2 cycles. Only one of them did he recruit to the position.

They recruited Ford to be a DE. Tyson Ford would play a stand up DE (ROLB) position in HS. They recruited Mills as a swing DE/DT. His recruiting profile was a SDE. This all matters a great deal when evaluating those decisions, at those times.

Of all BK assistants, Mike Elston is on one of a small group that truly deserve our appreciation for what they meant to this program. And here you are calling his recruiting dog shit but can’t be bothered to get the facts right. Yea, that’s frustrating.
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Yep.

I like Jamie a lot and he's more often than not, on the money with his evals and his 6 thoughts are a treat.

But in this case, he's completely lost the plot on this one. I called him out on it and he's yet to respond or adequately defend it.

He basically said this upcoming group is the equivalent of the 2017 group. And I said "...bruh...no."

That 2017 unit started Trumbetti, Jay Hayes and Jon Bonner. All three wouldn't even be in the two deep on this 2023 unit.

I don't think this upcoming DL is a championship caliber one or anything like it, but....come the f*ck on with this bullsh*t. That 2017 line was PUTRID in terms of creating pressure and generating sacks. And by "putrid", I mean they were in 92nd in the country. It was awful.

That in and of itself was enough for me to completely write off Jamie's comparison between '23's upcoming unit and '17's. I had to look it up, but Rubio had more TFL's in 3/4 of a season than Bonner had in his entire career. Like...how can I make it more obvious?
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Yep.

I like Jamie a lot and he's more often than not, on the money with his evals and his 6 thoughts are a treat.

But in this case, he's completely lost the plot on this one. I called him out on it and he's yet to respond or adequately defend it.

He basically said this upcoming group is the equivalent of the 2017 group. And I said "...bruh...no."

That 2017 unit started Trumbetti, Jay Hayes and Jon Bonner. All three wouldn't even be in the two deep on this 2023 unit.

I don't think this upcoming DL is a championship caliber one or anything like it, but....come the f*ck on with this bullsh*t. That 2017 line was PUTRID in terms of creating pressure and generating sacks. And by "putrid", I mean they were in 92nd in the country. It was awful.

That in and of itself was enough for me to completely write off Jamie's comparison between '23's upcoming unit and '17's. I had to look it up, but Rubio had more TFL's in 3/4 of a season than Bonner had in his entire career. Like...how can I make it more obvious?
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When you put it like that it's amazing 2017 was as good a season as it was. Thank the Good Lord for Jerry Tillery and his 56 tackles that year.

Anyway. I don't always know how to credit the landing of recruits. Usually it's more than one guy involved. I do know Elston developed the hell out of the talent he had on hand and under him a bunch of guys who were not all that highly-rated became multi-year starters on very good teams. Gilmore too was probably the best defensive position coach we had in the BVG era. Hopefully Washington continues in that vein and the defensive line remains a strength of our program.
 
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BobbyMac said:
Should've invited him to IE for a lengthy discussion.

While I agree ND must do better, the Cut Washington Crew needs to chill for a minute. When you have a beef with Dell or Tommy over past results and where the WR/QB rooms were in '22... ya gotta right. Getting on Washington for not currently having a kid from GA's commitment cuz he now lives in Chicagoland and attends an elite academic private school is silly. There's a lot of kids in CHI who don't give af about ND, not saying Scott's a hate but personal preference, NIL & NFL development by current staff might have ND sitting solid in the 8 hole.

Plus, he does know St Ignatius is a Jesuit school... right?
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This is entirely true. They don't GAF about Illinois or Northwestern either. They see Bama, UGA, Ohio State as the beacons right now. They want offers from those guys.

I'm willing to bet Justin Scott doesn't know Ignatius is a Jesuit school. LOL
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
This is entirely true. They don't GAF about Illinois or Northwestern either. They see Bama, UGA, Ohio State as the beacons right now. They want offers from those guys.

I'm willing to bet Justin Scott doesn't know Ignatius is a Jesuit school. LOL
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Huh? Why would you say that? I am sure he knows his school is a Jesuit school. Not a good post.
 
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I only skimmed this debate about Elston, but this is what I remember always thinking about him. He may not be getting in the high star recruits all the time, but our D line will be good. He always managed to make a great d line out of who we had. I never worried about our D line not being good under him. He was the one position coach that I wouldn't sweat it when we brought in lower ranked guys, because I knew he would give us a good D line unit. That being said, nothing against AL, he may give us a great d line, but if we had Elston right now, I would feel comfortable with who we have coming back for sure.
 
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I feel that we are too behind here.

Regardless of where he commits to, Scott is not the type of prospect you stop recruiting. It aint over until he gives out a restraining order.

And even then.....
 
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