Chicago Bears address

[Jiggafini19Deux]

must be personal for ya.

I think when you see fields running for his life the entire game and Allen only doing it here and there it def. changes the perception and likelihood.

You certainly dont have to choose, its a hypothetical. Ya know to provoke thought on a message board.

It isn't. Not at all. It's football. I don't know why it would be or why anyone would insinuate it would be personal. I don't know Justin Fields. Just talking football.

Probably fair to assume then that Allen is a bit more polished and playing on a better team while also three years older than Fields. That might explain what could be seen as slanted takes by the NFL pundits.

As always, the discourse on this message board is much appreciated. Thanks again.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Just my $0.02, there is no comparison between Justin Fields and Josh Allen. Not yet, at least. I see the ceiling with Fields but...Allen is likely to win the MVP this year. Fields is not even sniffing a pro bowl yet.

Domer made a good point though about the style of their running. Fields not only gets more designed runs but he's running for his life a whole lot more, vs. Josh Allen who's really only running once a play breaks down and he's already gone through a few of his progression options (for the most part). I just don't think now's the time to compare the two? I don't think it's anything to do with pundit bias.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Does the NFL public seem concerned about Josh Allen runs around in comparison to how no one thinks Josh Fields can run around forever?

Josh Allen doesn't get the same concerns about his mobility and some of the massive hits that dude has taken over the years he's been in The League. I really do find that curious.

This wasn't a comparison. I don't even know how it can be read as a comparison.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Just my $0.02, there is no comparison between Justin Fields and Josh Allen. Not yet, at least. I see the ceiling with Fields but...Allen is likely to win the MVP this year. Fields is not even sniffing a pro bowl yet.

Domer made a good point though about the style of their running. Fields not only gets more designed runs but he's running for his life a whole lot more, vs. Josh Allen who's really only running once a play breaks down and he's already gone through a few of his progression options (for the most part). I just don't think now's the time to compare the two? I don't think it's anything to do with pundit bias.

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I'm not debating between the two, but if you are going to compare them, compare them by their second season:

Allen - 2019
271-461 (58.8%), 3,089 yards, 20 TDs, 9 INTs, 49.4 QBR
109 Rushing attempts, 510 yards, 9 TDs, 7 fumbles

Fields - 2022
170-274 (62%), 2,048 yards, 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 56.2 QBR
143 Rushing attempts, 1,000 yards, 8 TDs, 9 fumbles

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

This isn't a comp between two players.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

This wasn't a comparison. I don't even know how it can be read as a comparison.

I'm not debating between the two, but if you are going to compare them, compare them by their second season:

Allen - 2019
271-461 (58.8%), 3,089 yards, 20 TDs, 9 INTs, 49.4 QBR
109 Rushing attempts, 510 yards, 9 TDs, 7 fumbles

Fields - 2022
170-274 (62%), 2,048 yards, 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 56.2 QBR
143 Rushing attempts, 1,000 yards, 8 TDs, 9 fumbles

Fair, maybe I misread the intent of Jig's posts.

To be clear I really think Fields is a promising young QB. It's hard to judge him with the lack of talent surrounding him. They've got plenty of cap room and a top 5 pick upcoming to kickstart that rebuild. It's harder to find a promising QB than it is surrounding talent, so they've got that going for them.

 

[RDU Irish]

What in the actual F are these people smoking to see this guy as SOOO much more of a franchise lock QB than Kizer, Watson or Mahomes to give up so much is just completely beyond any realm of adult behavior that I can't get over it, ever. Slept on it and might be more pissed today after reflection than I was last night in the moment.

I was prepared to be irritated with a QB (any of them) picked at #3, even if two were taken ahead of them and they passed on Garrett to get the #3 QB. I was hopeful they would take the OPPORTUNITY to build a team by trading down and bankrolling more top 40-60 picks in a VERY deep draft and taking a "best available" approach b/c (let's be honest) its not like almost every position shouldn't be on the table for improvement and this should be a two year target, not a one year fix.

But to give up so many quality bodies for one swing at a project is beyond irresponsible. NEXT year if they killed this draft is when you take a swing OR see who drops and waste your 2nd round pick on Kizer AND pick another up next year in a deeper draft to put more eggs in the basket. Trading down they would have been had the extra swing to take without compromising their laundry list of other needs.

I also don't see the offense as that talented. White is all potential - no proven #1 by any stretch of the imagination. Miller is good but I could see all three of the 1st round TEs being better - and nobody says we can't run 2 TEs! Royal and Meredeth are decent - not dominant or proven, plenty of room to add a weapon there. #15 OL play is the closest thing they have to a "good" unit - maybe you go for great there and build around. I see the offense as more duct tape and bailing wire than I see on track for a move up the rankings - or ready to plug in a QB in a couple years.

3rd pick of the 3rd round this year and probably the first pick of the third round next year (definitely top five) plus the 4th pick of the 4th round this year. VERY valuable this year - like others say, playoff contenders are built on 3rd and 4th round picks. ESPECIALLY this year's talent and how well it matches up with the Bears needs (sans QB) it is the perfect draft to load up on those picks and fill the roster with some actual freaking talent. Good teams don't fight over weak position groups - they sit back and scoop up value that falls to them and GTFO the way of the jizz their pants spazzes that fall in love with someone and overpay to get them.

JFC - I still can't get over the lunacy of the 2017 draft. Reverse that trade and say the Bears get an extra 3rd and 4th round pick for dropping a few spots and they have four more picks plus their top QB target who might have a few more weapons to not suck. There was no clear front runner out of that group at the time, all had high ceilings with plenty of question marks to merit no clear #1 and no reason to bid up top 5 picks. Raw hubris to make that move.

Oh and that 2018 class, had they deferred on QB they would have had plenty of draft capital with a #8 pick to chose from this lot.
#1 Baker Mayfield
#3 Sam Darnold
#7 Josh Allen
#10 Josh Rosen
#32 Lamar Jackson

Glad they finally have a guy who looks the part in Fields, hope they can get him some help before he gets broken in half trying to carry the entire offense.

 

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[anarin]

Soooooo, there is a very high possibility that the Bears lock down the #1 pick.

Bears vs the Lions/Vikings
Texans vs the Jaguars/Colts

Wouldn't it just be lovely if Lovie gifted his old team the top pick that they can trade off for a MASSIVE haul

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm just really really glad Fields is in Chicago and Russell Wilson is in Denver.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm just really really glad Fields is in Chicago and Russell Wilson is in Denver.

It really is a giant bullet dodged


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[Jiggafini19Deux]

The ransom given up for Jared Goff should be the bar here. Minimum. If not, pick Will Anderson or Jalen Carter.

First pick, $119M in cap space and you've found your 23 year old QB that the previous regime traded up for. Great position to be in.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Soooooo, there is a very high possibility that the Bears lock down the #1 pick.

Bears vs the Lions/Vikings
Texans vs the Jaguars/Colts

Wouldn't it just be lovely if Lovie gifted his old team the top pick that they can trade off for a MASSIVE haul

This aged pretty well. Good call.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Tannabaum from ESPN tweeted that it's going to be discussed on if they want to move Fields and draft a QB. If they do that I am officially done with the bears franchise. We have a million problems on the roster currently and the QB position as it sits isn't even on the list as one of them IMO.

Perfect world, get a king's ransom for the #1 pick, draft the best available along the front seven, use cap space to build the OL and WR positions with proven NFL talent. I like Carter better personally, but I think the pick is Anderson if we have to stay at #1. Anderson can play all 4 downs just like a Micah Parsons type, where Carter I think is only getting us 30-40 snaps a game tops.

 

[Southside Sully]

Tannabaum from ESPN tweeted that it's going to be discussed on if they want to move Fields and draft a QB. If they do that I am officially done with the bears franchise. We have a million problems on the roster currently and the QB position as it sits isn't even on the list as one of them IMO.

Perfect world, get a king's ransom for the #1 pick, draft the best available along the front seven, use cap space to build the OL and WR positions with proven NFL talent. I like Carter better personally, but I think the pick is Anderson if we have to stay at #1. Anderson can play all 4 downs just like a Micah Parsons type, where Carter I think is only getting us 30-40 snaps a game tops.

This is the bears posturing to other teams to make them think they are interested in a QB to up the picks value in trade return. They are not moving on from fields. If they were it would be a QB in next years draft not this one.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Build around Fields. You have your QB along with assets, cap money and the number one pick.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Who believes that the Bears actually would take a QB though? It's silly. Just make it clear that the #1 pick and Bryce Young is available to the highest bidder. Texans take him at 2 otherwise.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The Bears are incredibly fortunate because they know the Texans want a QB. There are plenty of teams that need a QB and they are one of the rare teams that does not. Simply acquire as much draft capital or roster-building players for that #1 pick. They should also be after the top available OL. They have a lot of pieces offensively but they need to shore up a number of critical positions.

Honestly, they'd be better served trading back at least twice.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Who believes that the Bears actually would take a QB though? It's silly. Just make it clear that the #1 pick and Bryce Young is available to the highest bidder. Texans take him at 2 otherwise.

Trade the first pick to the Colts for a package of picks that includes their fourth overall in 2023. Texans take Levis at 2.

Bears get Carter or Anderson at 4 with the Colts first round pick.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Here is what the bears should do.
Trade the first pick to Houston for the following
#2 Pick First Round 2023
#11 Pick First Round 2023
First Round Pick for 2024 they have two
Trade the #2 Pick then to the Colts for the following
#4 Pick 2023 Draft
Second Round pick #35 overall 2023 Draft
First round pick in 2024 Draft

 

[anarin]

Could be pretty awesome to watch the bears trade down to #2 with the Texans because they are panicking about not getting their guy, and then trade down to #4 with the Colts because they're also panicking they wont get their guy.

And then the Bears still pickup a stud at 4 and have a TON of picks this and next year, with that salary cap looking beautiful.

Definitely like how this is shaping up.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Here is what the bears should do.
Trade the first pick to Houston for the following
#2 Pick First Round 2023
#11 Pick First Round 2023
First Round Pick for 2024 they have two
Trade the #2 Pick then to the Colts for the following
#4 Pick 2023 Draft
Second Round pick #35 overall 2023 Draft
First round pick in 2024 Draft

There is no way any NFL team would agree to this haul; that's way too rich to move up one spot. Dream on

 

[zelezo vlk]

Trade the first pick to the Colts for a package of picks that includes their fourth overall in 2023. Texans take Levis at 2.

Bears get Carter or Anderson at 4 with the Colts first round pick.

Levis over Stroud?


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[luckofirish8]

There is no way any NFL team would agree to this haul; that's way too rich to move up one spot. Dream on

Agreed that is likely way to rich considering what the Bears paid to move from 3 to 2 not that long ago. However, the scenario of dual trades with Houston and Indy isn't out of the realm of possibility and would be a fabulous bit of draftmansship (not a word) if you pull that off and still land one of Carter/Anderson.

 

[luckofirish8]

Trade the first pick to the Colts for a package of picks that includes their fourth overall in 2023. Texans take Levis at 2.

Bears get Carter or Anderson at 4 with the Colts first round pick.

I think this is the most likely scenario of any. Maybe not the Texans taking Levis, but at least for the Bears.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Agreed that is likely way to rich considering what the Bears paid to move from 3 to 2 not that long ago. However, the scenario of dual trades with Houston and Indy isn't out of the realm of possibility and would be a fabulous bit of draftmansship (not a word) if you pull that off and still land one of Carter/Anderson.

No argument there, I actually really like that idea for the Bears to trade down twice. If there's not a player available at the top that really fills an instant need, best to go quantity over quantity and they could certainly trade back a few spots to get more capital.

 

[NDFAN2008]

There is no way any NFL team would agree to this haul; that's way too rich to move up one spot. Dream on

Did you read what I said it isn't one trade its the bears trading down twice. and neither of those are rich, San Fran Traded 3 first round picks last year to move up from 10-3

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Did you read what I said it isn't one trade its the bears trading down twice. and neither of those are rich, San Fran Traded 3 first round picks last year to move up from 10-3

I did read what you said that's why I bolded specifically your first proposed trade between Houston and Chicago. There is no way in hell you are getting three first rounds picks to move up one spot. 10 to 3 is a significant leap; going from 2 to 1 is not apples to apples.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Hopefully, one or two of the QB's in this class separates themselves in the pre-draft process so that a team in the top 10 falls in love with them and overpays for the top pick.