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[Jiggafini19Deux]

I’m sincerely not trying to be a jerk when I say this. I swear. But I’d be willing to bet you a crisp $1 bill that this pushes Notre Dame more in the other direction.

I think this is a big step in the direction of ND choosing not to play the big time CFB game anymore.

I think you're incorrect. Few deep breaths and a walk around the block might do the trick to get back to center.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think its going to result in region being harder to recruit in. We had the Marcus Freeman bump in 2023 and they probably arent going to end up with a top 10 class.

Oh I agree. The Irish have like six recruits from the B1G current footprint. But yeah... I think moving forward it's going to be tough.

 

[ColinKSU]

I think you're incorrect. Few deep breaths and a walk around the block might do the trick to get back to center.

I could be! We’re going to find out very quickly either way because recruiting is only going to get crazier.

 

[Henges24]

Is Freeman allowed to make contact? If so....what's that Lee Corso catch phrase??

I'd imagine so. Don't be a chaser MF. They'll come crawling back if they want you.

 

[drewsj]

You’d hope so, but I suspect Notre Dame doesn’t have the nerve to play this game.

I think they value the perception of their academic reputation too much to play the portal game. And I suspect they’re willing to gamble that the program doesn’t need to win big to still print money for the university.

To people who think the opposite, do you see a Notre Dame that’s willing to roll up its sleeves and get dirty when you envision the future?

They have a Ohio St guy running the program. I think Jack is on the way out too. Depends who the next AD is obviously too.

 

[ColinKSU]

They have an Ohio St guy running the program. I think Jack is on the way out too. Depends who the next AD is obviously too.

Oh, Marcus isn’t the problem. I love Marcus and I know he sees the problem, but he isn’t in charge of making the decisions that need to be made.

 

[NDMatt91]

I hope his mom is whoopin" that ass so hard he will personally hand deliver his NLI to South Bend.

Would be funny if this turned into a Cyrus Kouandjio situation. However, Bowen looked happy making his decision and Cyrus looked like a hostage reading a prepared statement.

 

[drewsj]

Oh, Marcus isn’t the problem. I love Marcus and I know he sees the problem, but he isn’t in charge of making the decisions that need to be made.

Marcus wants to win, he's going to try recruit the best players to come to ND. If the school doesn't want to back him up its not going to be a long lasting tenure if he had zero influence.

 

[ND03]

Notre Dame has always had a red line where they were willing to get out of the game, but the line moves and only a few people actually know where it is. Freshman year Econ seminar featured a 2 week debate about the value of the football program to the university, with the point being to make it clear that there is more money in being like Harvard than in being like IMG.

ND has increased commitment to Football, probably in no small part because the $ equation changed a bit too, but there is still a red line. Harvard/Yale/Army/Navy; they used to be among the big dogs of College Football. There is a world where ND takes that path, but I don’t think it’s the current world… Employment ruling though…

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They have a Ohio St guy running the program. I think Jack is on the way out too. Depends who the next AD is obviously too.

Jack is likely done soon, and there are so many ND alums who are already Division I Power Five athletic directors that people will be tripping over each other just to interview for the job would be my guess.

 

[luckofirish8]

Is Freeman allowed to make contact? If so....what's that Lee Corso catch phrase??

My guess is the ship has sailed regardless at this point. For better or worse.

 

[Free Manera]

LOL it would be a perfect ending for this recruitment for him to tweet "I am decommitting from Oregon. Please respect my decision. My top 5 are Alabama, LSU, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan."

 

[Irishcop]

My guess is the ship has sailed regardless at this point. For better or worse.

Agreed. The kid is very talented, but after the bullshit he pulled today, would you want him on the team?

 

[ColinKSU]

Jack is likely done soon, and there are so many ND alums who are already Division I Power Five athletic directors that people will be tripping over each other just to interview for the job would be my guess.

I genuinely don’t know the line of “AD makes this call” and “Administration makes this call” as it relates to the decisions ND needs to make if it wants to stay competitive.

I don’t know that the best AD in the world can force one of ND’s colleges to take undergrad transfers.

 

[Free Manera]

To me the transfer portal is a bigger problem for ND than NIL. Every top 10 team will get better through the portal every single year. That is where ND can get left in the dust. They have to find a way to fill roster holes with upgrades.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Notre Dame has always had a red line where they were willing to get out of the game, but the line moves and only a few people actually know where it is. Freshman year Econ seminar featured a 2 week debate about the value of the football program to the university, with the point being to make it clear that there is more money in being like Harvard than in being like IMG.

ND has increased commitment to Football, probably in no small part because the $ equation changed a bit too, but there is still a red line. Harvard/Yale/Army/Navy; they used to be among the big dogs of College Football. There is a world where ND takes that path, but I don’t think it’s the current world… Employment ruling though…

All of the colleges ranked above us are secular, with quite a few of those being formerly religiously affiliated. And even if the administration was willing to give up the religious affiliation, we still probably wouldn't go much higher considering everyone above us is either in the Ivy League (with all the marketing that comes with that), in a big city, or in a place with nice weather. So while it might be nice to be Harvard, I don't think we're ever going to get there. Going through the rankings, I can't even find the next highest ranked religious school not near a major city and in a cold weather environment.

 

[choo choo]

Bowen lost 1000 followers on Instagram since his commitment

And a lot of respect

 

[ND03]

All of the colleges ranked above us are secular, with quite a few of those being formerly religiously affiliated. And even if the administration was willing to give up the religious affiliation, we still probably wouldn't go much higher considering everyone above us is either in the Ivy League (with all the marketing that comes with that), in a big city, or in a place with nice weather. So while it might be nice to be Harvard, I don't think we're ever going to get there. Going through the rankings, I can't even find the next highest ranked religious school not near a major city and in a cold weather environment.

The metaphor just means there is more $ in focusing on elite research/academics than elite sports.

I jam this board up enough already. Don’t need to get into a debate about how to drive Degree prestige higher.

 

[MacIrish75]

…if things went sideways I’d still take him…

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

To me the transfer portal is a bigger problem for ND than NIL. Every top 10 team will get better through the portal every single year. That is where ND can get left in the dust. They have to find a way to fill roster holes with upgrades.

I agree. The portal goes deeper than I think most realize, too. The big Power Five programs, and pretty much all of the SEC, are going to go anywhere to get players. There won't be a limit. Case in point is what is going on with an FCS prospect currently.

There is an OT that plays for Rhode Island is taking visits to Nebraska, Tennessee, etc. He's very good. An FCS program can develop a guy into a bonafide NFL prospect just like this situation and then watch him scoot off to a Power Five School for his last year or two. Any diamonds in the rough are going to get gobbled up and the smaller programs won't have their own guys anymore.

 

[NorthDakota]

All of the colleges ranked above us are secular, with quite a few of those being formerly religiously affiliated. And even if the administration was willing to give up the religious affiliation, we still probably wouldn't go much higher considering everyone above us is either in the Ivy League (with all the marketing that comes with that), in a big city, or in a place with nice weather. So while it might be nice to be Harvard, I don't think we're ever going to get there. Going through the rankings, I can't even find the next highest ranked religious school not near a major city and in a cold weather environment.

Wake Forest maybe?

 

[Southside Sully]

Whatever happened to the dude that picked Alabama over Lsu in front of mom. Did he ever do anything great?

Landon Collins.. His almost $50m in career earnings would say yes, he ended up just fine
Landon Collins

 

[NorthDakota]

I agree. The portal goes deeper than I think most realize, too. The big Power Five programs, and pretty much all of the SEC, are going to go anywhere to get players. There won't be a limit. Case in point is what is going on with an FCS prospect currently.

There is an OT that plays for Rhode Island is taking visits to Nebraska, Tennessee, etc. He's very good. An FCS program can develop a guy into a bonafide NFL prospect just like this situation and then watch him scoot off to a Power Five School for his last year or two. Any diamonds in the rough are going to get gobbled up and the smaller programs won't have their own guys anymore.

North Dakota State has started losing guys to P5's the last few years.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

The metaphor just means there is more $ in focusing on elite research/academics than elite sports.

I jam this board up enough already. Don’t need to get into a debate about how to drive Degree prestige higher.

Yeah, but my argument is that we do not have the advantages of the schools that have greater research/academics than. A small, religious school in the middle of nowhere in a cold weather state isn't going to be able to attract the top tier students or researchers without having something unique to stand out against other options. For us, that is football and the national brand it brings.

 

[ND03]

Yeah, but my argument is that we do not have the advantages of the schools that have greater research/academics than. A small, religious school in the middle of nowhere in a cold weather state isn't going to be able to attract the top tier students or researchers without having something unique to stand out against other options. For us, that is football and the national brand it brings.

****Congratulations, you have failed Freshman Econ Seminar ***italics

 

[ColinKSU]

I agree. The portal goes deeper than I think most realize, too. The big Power Five programs, and pretty much all of the SEC, are going to go anywhere to get players. There won't be a limit. Case in point is what is going on with an FCS prospect currently.

There is an OT that plays for Rhode Island is taking visits to Nebraska, Tennessee, etc. He's very good. An FCS program can develop a guy into a bonafide NFL prospect just like this situation and then watch him scoot off to a Power Five School for his last year or two. Any diamonds in the rough are going to get gobbled up and the smaller programs won't have their own guys anymore.

This can’t be stressed enough. The portal has changed *everything* and it’s a game ND can’t even play in as the university is currently structured.

 

[Bluto]

Honestly, this is hilarious.

Every “insider” got this one wrong.

Bunch of fuckin hacks. Lol.

 

[Plankton]

I hope his mom is whoopin" that ass so hard he will personally hand deliver his NLI to South Bend.

I may be in the minority here, but if he wanted to submit it, I wouldn't accept it if I were Marcus Freeman. The kid lied to your face, lied to your assistants, lied to the recruits in the class, and used your hat and team's image as a prop in his announcement. Bowen showed his true colors - it isn't going to really change if he gets hit with mom's rolling pin. Talent be damned, I don't think that you can legitimately trust the kid.

 

[Reaper97]

Honestly, this is hilarious.

Every “insider” got this one wrong.

Bunch of fuckin hacks. Lol.

He lied to them.
He lied to the other commits last night & this morning.
He lied to his own mother.

 

[Bluto]

For NFL yeah. NFL coaches have it much better than college coaches. They get a legit offseason. Recruiting and evaluating is a treadmill that never stops for the college dudes.

I’m thinking this is gonna be a downward spiral for most programs in terms of retaining coaches long term and any sort of team cohesion.

What talented/competent coaches would want to subject themselves and their families to this year in and year out?