'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[greyhammer90]

ND putting all the time and effort into recruiting a kid from inner city Detroit, a high school with probably zero admissions to ND in the last 20 years, a shady family around him, in the heart of enemy territory (SCUM)...c'mon now ND knew what they getting into

Your post is framed like an argument when its just agreeing with me. ND playing this stupidly does not mean that Dante isn't also to blame.These are not mutually exclusive things.

 

[Dale]

I think we sometime take out the human element of recruiting. It’s pretty freaking hard to just bold face lie, but be in innocent, to someone for months. Same thing with the Vizzina thing. As soon as Freeman/Rees thought they had Moore, I’m sure the convo was something like hey Chris we got a QB so you do what you think is best from here on out. It’s a human interaction.

 

[dublinirish]

Your post is framed like an argument when its just agreeing with me. ND playing this stupidly does not mean that Dante isn't also to blame.These are not mutually exclusive things.

Moore might be a dumb kid though but ND staff are professionals and should have known better. Moore gets 1 recruitment process in his life but the ND staff has decades of experience. Fool me once and all that.

 

[greyhammer90]

Moore might be a dumb kid though but ND staff are professionals and should have known better. Moore gets 1 recruitment process in his life but the ND staff has decades of experience. Fool me once and all that.

... So you agree.

 

[Dale]

Moore might be a dumb kid though but ND staff are professionals and should have known better. Moore gets 1 recruitment process in his life but the ND staff has decades of experience. Fool me once and all that.

Doesn’t greyhammer’s same response still apply here? Just because ND was the dumber party in this doesn’t mean Moore is without blame. It’s not one or the other

 

[dublinirish]

... So you agree.

that the ND staff are more to blame than Moore?

 

[mcbri014]

ThInD aNd LeMmInG aRe LiArS! tOmMy BoY iS sO sMaRt AnD wOuLd NeVeR dO tHaT!

The criticism is warranted but did Tommy crop dust you during the player walk or something?

 

[NDdomer2]

how should they have played it?

.....

 

[BeauBenken]

ND putting all the time and effort into recruiting a kid from inner city Detroit, a high school with probably zero admissions to ND in the last 20 years, a shady family around him, in the heart of enemy territory (SCUM)...c'mon now ND knew what they getting into

I've got to be honest that I always hate these takes.

Kid would be set at ND. Clearly was going to get through admissions at ND. Why would him being from Detroit matter?

Shady family? Clearly the family was saying the right things to the coaches.

Heart of enemy territory? Should we not recruit kids who have big state schools around them? Good luck fielding a team.

 

[dublinirish]

I've got to be honest that I always hate these takes.

Kid would be set at ND. Clearly was going to get through admissions at ND. Why would him being from Detroit matter?

Shady family? Clearly the family was saying the right things to the coaches.

Heart of enemy territory? Should we not recruit kids who have big state schools around them? Good luck fielding a team.

the point is the odds were heavily stacked against ND in this case, you don't put all your eggs in a basket when the basket is flimsy AF

 

[BeauBenken]

the point is the odds were heavily stacked against ND in this case, you don't put all your eggs in a basket when the basket is flimsy AF

But he had given them a commitment. Waiting to go public isn't uncommon. They didn't have reason to believe he wouldn't hold up his end and once Vizzina committed to Clemson (fairly quickly after Dante's silent) they didn't have many other great options but to ride with him and hope that he would stick.

 

[Nostradumbass]

you recruit like hell until a kid verbals. a silent commit is not a commit. hell, a verbal is a risk. a silent is more than likely a warning.

 

[irishff1014]

I don't know how you avoid kids making a decision to commit and then not keeping with the plan. The same could have happened if he committed publicly.

It was a situation of he was down to come to ND but then "guaranteed money" was a bit more enticing. Not the only kid we had this happen to in this class.

It’s easy. There is not such thing as a silent commit and if you aren’t will go to say publicly I am going to ND and shut it down then neither will we. We want you as our number 1 but we aren’t gonna be left at the alter so until you are ready to make a true commitment we are gonna keep recruiting other high caliber guys. If you don’t like it than we’ll end this right now.

 

[BeauBenken]

you recruit like hell until a kid verbals. a silent commit is not a commit. hell, a verbal is a risk. a silent is more than likely a warning.

It’s easy. There is not such thing as a silent commit and if you aren’t will go to say publicly I am going to ND and shut it down then neither will we. We want you as our number 1 but we aren’t gonna be left at the alter so until you are ready to make a true commitment we are gonna keep recruiting other high caliber guys. If you don’t like it than we’ll end this right now.

Again, most kids like to set up their commitments in advance which means notifying staff but not going public for a while, in other words, a silent. You're going to tell 95% of kids to kick rocks?

Dante's silent was simply dragged out much longer than it was supposed to be and eventually the staff dropped him like you suggested but the damage was already done.

 

[IrishSpartan]

The mindset where we stopped after he decommitted is where we screwed up. Don’t stop till signing day same thing with Keon we shouldn’t just say well we did enough it’s on them to want to come back

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

It’s easy. There is not such thing as a silent commit and if you aren’t will go to say publicly I am going to ND and shut it down then neither will we. We want you as our number 1 but we aren’t gonna be left at the alter so until you are ready to make a true commitment we are gonna keep recruiting other high caliber guys. If you don’t like it than we’ll end this right now.

Yep, this whole silent thing rarely works out. We get duped yearly by a supposed silent it seems.

 

[Dale]

Yep, this whole silent thing rarely works out. We get duped yearly by a supposed silent it seems.

It actually almost always works out. Most kids are silent for days - weeks.

 

[SoIll]

Just had someone pretty in the know tell me that ND offered him the same package as Oregon did and Father Jenkins offered Dad a job!!

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Just had someone pretty in the know tell me that ND offered him the same package as Oregon did and UA offered Dad a job.

If that's true, then why this result?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

It actually almost always works out. Most kids are silent for days - weeks.

No, I am talking about these big recruits that have been silent. I have watched, been duped on this board for 14 years. Don't tell me it almost always works out. That is a bunch of crap. Sure a kid will give a verbal and be silent till they announce.

 

[SoIll]

If that's true, then why this result?

totally true!!!

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

If that's true, then why this result?

Because the person in the know doesn't know.

 

[Dale]

No, I am talking about these big recruits that have been silent. I have watched, been duped on this board for 14 years. Don't tell me it almost always works out. That is a bunch of crap. Sure a kid will give a verbal and be silent to they announce.

Vernon was a silent. Sneed was for a few week. Limar. Raridon and Staes. There’s endless examples

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Most kids are silents first and hold off on making it public. Look at most after committment interviews. "I committed when I was there X weeks ago (or at this game, or this function)" etc.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Vernon was a silent.

Great, but like I said I have been on this board for years and it happens every year. More than once usually and we get hired. People thought Shilpley was a silent, people thought Hood was a silent. The list is longggg

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Most kids are silents first and hold off on making it public. Look at most after committment interviews. "I committed when I was there X weeks ago (or at this game, or this function)" etc.

Again, usually it is a short amount of time. We have been bitten in the past by this.

 

[Dale]

Great, but like I said I have been on this board for years and it happens every year. More than once usually and we get hired. People thought Shilpley was a silent, people thought Hood was a silent. The list is longggg

So it happens every year silent commits end up committing and every year they don’t. It also happens every year kids you’re not calling silents stay committed, and every year some decommit. So kids do one or the other regardless?

 

[NDdomer2]

still havent seen one person say how ND staff should have played QB recruiting

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

So it happens every year silent commits end up committing and every year they don’t. It also happens every year kids you’re not calling silents stay committed, and every year some decommit. So kids do one or the other regardless?

The fact is if they aren't public, they ain't committed. The staff should recruit until they know they are in for sure. It is a two way street. The staff really screwed up on this one.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

still havent seen one person say how ND staff should have played QB recruiting

Recruit over Moore. Never just settle for one guy. Alabama recruits constantly over.