'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[irish2104]

totally true!!!

Like they did over the spring/summer? Or they have recently because if they have recently then that is insane in a good way. I mean we are probably has desperate for a QB has any in the country and he could walk in and start I'm guessing.

 

[NDdomer2]

Recruit over Moore. Never just settle for one guy. Alabama recruits constantly over.

ok - then when the recruited over play leaves and the other gets a better offer to Oregon and he leaves then what?

One single school is recruiting the way you want right now. They have multiple starting qbs in the league, have won multiple national championships in recent history. The thought that ND can operate in the same fashion comes from......what exactly?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

ok - then when the recruited over play leaves and the other gets a better offer to Oregon and he leaves then what?

So you are cool with the eggs in one basket model? That is stupid. You need back up plans. Focus hard on your guy, but make sure that he is not the only one. We really got screwed.

 

[NDdomer2]

So you are cool with the eggs in one basket model? That is stupid. You need back up plans. Focus hard on your guy, but make sure that he is not the only one. We really got screwed.

im just saying your model allows us to get screwed as well.

And i can point that out and also not be ok with getting screwed.

There is no easy solution to current recruiting landscape.

Personally, I think in hindsight, the better option would have been to put our eggs in the Vizzina basket. However, that still could have went against us. He picks clemson regardless, we stopped prioritizing Moore or insert other QB so they moved on (Moore clearly wasnt gonna end up at ND anyways).

I definitely think they should have had a bit of a wider second tier net. Could always play what ifs on if Novosad had been prioritized in that top group or secondary group to start.

QB dominoes move fast one the first one drops. An expectation of two 4 stars in a class is not realistic.

Eggs in one basket or recruiting over both come with faults.

 

[dublinirish]

Did ND "get screwed" when Will Shipley committed to Clemson?

 

[NDdomer2]

Did ND "get screwed" when Will Shipley committed to Clemson?

in the end no because they flipped some guys late. but it certainly was a bad strategy. RB recruiting and QB recruiting are not the same.

 

[Nostradumbass]

There are only 2 teams in the top 15 in recruing that do not have a QB. Obviously 1 is ND. I'm not too worried for that other team considering they are last years National Champions. Miami and Bama both have 2 commits.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Did ND "get screwed" when Will Shipley committed to Clemson?

I do think QB recruiting is different from everything else and it's harder to pivot when Plan A falls apart. I think basically everybody fundamentally recruits the position the way ND did.

The problem was that ND didn't read the situation correctly. Maybe it's a one-time anomaly due to the weirdness of NIL mutating the landscape during the recruiting season and Iamaleava getting the dumptruck of cash.

The fact that they have CJ Carr on board for 2024 is enough to convince me that they aren't simply bad at recruiting.

 

[SoIll]

Like they did over the spring/summer? Or they have recently because if they have recently then that is insane in a good way. I mean we are probably has desperate for a QB has any in the country and he could walk in and start I'm guessing.

Don't be so naive my friend.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Did ND "get screwed" when Will Shipley committed to Clemson?

That was an unusual situation.

By most accounts, ND was in very good position to land Shipley, and had a very crucial OV with him set up. Then the pandemic shut everything down and all visits were cancelled.

 

[FWIrish4]

Recruit over Moore. Never just settle for one guy. Alabama recruits constantly over.

You guys are insane. This isn’t NCAA ‘14 on Xbox. We would be absolutely livid if Dante Moore committed to the staff but the staff said cool, but we’re still going to try to get Vizzina (not a done deal either). Then you still lose out of on both because you simply didn’t accept a commitment from your top QB on the board.

We aren’t Alabama and also, they have 2 commits because one is a 1st round MLB guy. Completely different and you know that.

 

[GATTACA!]

If that's true, then why this result?

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[ndfanatic78]

But he had given them a commitment. Waiting to go public isn't uncommon. They didn't have reason to believe he wouldn't hold up his end and once Vizzina committed to Clemson (fairly quickly after Dante's silent) they didn't have many other great options but to ride with him and hope that he would stick.

He's a 17 year old kid. That right there is reason enough to question if he is going to hold up his end. Every year kids don't hold up their end of a commitment. This isnt any thing new. The coaches should have anticipated it. No one is truly committed until they sign their letter of intent and are actually on campus. Every coach should plan accordingly and never be surprised when a 17 year old kid changes his mind.

 

[ndfanatic78]

still havent seen one person say how ND staff should have played QB recruiting

They should have told Dante that until he goes public they are actively recruiting other QBs and even after he publicly commits they are going to keep in touch with other recruits in case something happens and once he signs his letter of intent they will stop. Its pretty easy to be upfront, straight forward, and honest. Until he is at least publicly committed you keep recruiting other players period. If you are truly 100% committed why would you not be public about it?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

You guys are insane. This isn’t NCAA ‘14 on Xbox. We would be absolutely livid if Dante Moore committed to the staff but the staff said cool, but we’re still going to try to get Vizzina (not a done deal either). Then you still lose out of on both because you simply didn’t accept a commitment from your top QB on the board.

We aren’t Alabama and also, they have 2 commits because one is a 1st round MLB guy. Completely different and you know that.

Insane? Yeah, I am the insane one who likes to have a plan when a 17 year old proves time and time again that he wasn't committed to ND. He showed who he was and the staff blindly trusted. We should always , and I mean always be prepared, and we weren't and it shows.

One more thing, do we know he was silent for sure?

 

[FWIrish4]

Insane? Yeah, I am the insane one who likes to have a plan when a 17 year old proves time and time again that he wasn't committed to ND. He showed who he was and the staff blindly trusted. We should always , and I mean always be prepared, and we weren't and it shows.

One more thing, do we know he was silent for sure?

I completely agree ND should have moved on more quickly after it was getting dragged on. I think we all agree with this and there are posters who said this while it was happening.

But you don’t recruit over him immediately when he’s committed.

Those are two very different arguments. And yes, saying ND should recruit over a 5-star QB right when they commit (privately or publicly) is insane.

 

[ndfanatic78]

You guys are insane. This isn’t NCAA ‘14 on Xbox. We would be absolutely livid if Dante Moore committed to the staff but the staff said cool, but we’re still going to try to get Vizzina (not a done deal either). Then you still lose out of on both because you simply didn’t accept a commitment from your top QB on the board.

We aren’t Alabama and also, they have 2 commits because one is a 1st round MLB guy. Completely different and you know that.

I wouldn't be livid in any way and you dont say you are still going to try to get Vizzina. You tell Moore you are our first choice but until you commit publicly we are going to keep recruiting other QBs and if one of them wants to commit publicly we might take them. You then tell Vizzina that you want him and if he wants to commit publicly you will take him. The first one to commit publicly is in. This isnt rocket science.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I completely agree ND should have moved on more quickly after it was getting dragged on. I think we all agree with this and there are posters who said this while it was happening.

But you don’t recruit over him immediately when he’s committed.

Those are two very different arguments. And yes, saying ND should recruit over a 5-star QB right when they commit (privately or publicly) is insane.

Do we know for sure he was silent? I really don't know and all I see is people proclaiming it. Many times those "silents" were actually never silent. It is not about recruiting over, it is protecting the team. The player should not hold so much power we're hostage to him. That is insanity.

 

[Nostradumbass]

I wouldn't be livid in any way and you dont say you are still going to try to get Vizzina. You tell Moore you are our first choice but until you commit publicly we are going to keep recruiting other QBs and one of them wants to commit publicly we might take them. You then tell Vizzina that you want him and if he wants to commit publicly you will take him. The first one to commit publicly is in. This isnt rocket science.

At the end of the day, you don't have to completely shut down relationships with other recruits simply because a kid gives you a silent commit. Do you take someone over him while silently committed? No, but you don't have to shut the door. Some teams take TWO QB's. Miami has two. ND has taken two before in the past. I read one article that quoted Avery Johnson as stating he hadn't had any communication with ND in several months. It doesn't sound like they were all that interested in anyone besides Dante even before he gave a silent "commitment" and doesn't sound like they were trying at all to maintain even the slightest relationship with kids after the silent. It also seems they literally chased the kid until the literal moment he committed to Oregon while half the people that follow recruiting were screaming for a backup plan. There's a reason this happened to ND and basically nobody else. The only other top 15 program in recruiting without a QB is Georgia.

 

[Free Manera]

To me, a dude isn't committed if he is a "silent" and still treating his recruitment like it is open. There are valid reasons for recruits to be "silent," but having a program hold your place while you look for better offers is not one of them.

 

[NDdomer2]

They should have told Deonte that until he goes public they are actively recruiting other QBs and even after he publicly commits they are going to keep in touch with other recruits in case something happens and once he signs his letter of intent they will stop. Its pretty easy to be upfront, straight forward, and honest. Until he is at least publicly committed you keep recruiting other players period. If you are truly 100% committed why would you not be public about it?

we could still lose him even after all this though, (and in hindsight we def would have) and then the QB domninoes would have already fell and wed be in the same spot. Ultimately, this doesnt really solve anything.

The only 2 things that I truly see as an errors in how they played it this is likely Vizz vs Moore and having a larger # in the initial group.

Questioning if he was a silent or not is just a convenient out for the arguments being had.

 

[ndfanatic78]

we could still lose him even after all this though, (and in hindsight we def would have) and then the QB domninoes would have already fell and wed be in the same spot. Ultimately, this doesnt really solve anything.

The only 2 things that I truly see as an errors in how they played it this is likely Vizz vs Moore and having a larger # in the initial group.

Questioning if he was a silent or not is just a convenient out for the arguments being had.

You can always lose recruits. You can even lose them once they are here, Jurkovich. The thing you want to do is minimize the chance so you aren't stuck with no one or someone who really has no business playing QB at ND. They did not do this. If Dante had given his public verbal and then de-comitted at the end of the process you would not see people complaining about recruiting other prospects. They would be complaining about how could the Irish let a player get away that they had committed for almost an entire year. Yes there would still be bitching but for totally different reasons. Also in my scenario you could always go back to Vizzina and see if he has any interest because in my scenario you never stop talking to him and you never make him feel like he was the second choice. You just make him feel that you took Moore because he was the first to commit publicly and you couldn't take the chance of being caught with your pants down by telling him he couldn't commit while waiting on Vizzina. Again not rocket science. Just make sure the kids always feel wanted even if the coaches cant take them.

 

[PigtownIrish]

Swarbrick should have gotten Dante's family jobs at the Peacock.

 

[NDohio]

Did somebody lose a bet on how many pages this thread would end up being?

 

[Nostradumbass]

Did somebody lose a bet on how many pages this thread would end up being?

The more amusing part will be when the thread resurfaces three years from now if he's a backup or FCS transfer.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

The more amusing part will be when the thread resurfaces three years from now if he's a backup or FCS transfer.

Imagine the comments then "Damn Tommy was horrible at evaluating talent!".

 

[T-Boone]

If he was silently committed does that mean he de-committed at some point or did ND punt a committed 5 star QB?

 

[NDohio]

This thread sucks.

Did you not try any of the hot sauce recipes?

 

[Irish#1]

Why do you guys keep torturing yourselves with this thread?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Why do you guys keep torturing yourselves with this thread?

Just looking for good recipes.