2023 Transfer QB

[IRISHDODGER]

Without rewatching the game I very well could be wrong, but I disagree with the bolded. To me it looked like he locked onto his first read just about every play, the WR just always seemed to create a step (was it Cam Hart every time lol). Granted there were some plays where he was scrambling and might not have had tunnel vision.
To your main point tho, I would also take him and many other options over Pyne lol

His first drive was deer in the headlights but they let him wing it so they were confident in his arm. There were some catchable drops but could’ve been thrown better. The SU guys I listened to loved his arm compared to Schrader. They have a similar frustration as ND fans in that Schrader locks on to Gadson the same way Pyne locks onto Mayer. Schrader’s first pass of the game was a prime example. He was throwing that ball regardless of who got in the way. Difference is, Schrader has wheels and can move the chains when a D drops 8. Pyne can not.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Would love to get a transfer stud. Just a little confused about all the Pyne hate tbh. Besides the ability to stretch and create plays with the scramble, what does Pyne do that much worse than Ian Book? We've been "a quarterback away" for like a decade. Pyne doesn't seem much worse than any of the rest of the game managers we've had for some time.

 

[arrowryan]

Would love to get a transfer stud. Just a little confused about all the Pyne hate tbh. Besides the ability to stretch and create plays with the scramble, what does Pyne do that much worse than Ian Book? We've been "a quarterback away" for like a decade. Pyne doesn't seem much worse than any of the rest of the game managers we've had for some time.

One is the all time winningest QB in school history, the other is not

 

[NDPhilly]

Drew Pyne is significantly worse than 1st year starter (junior) Ian Book. Go back and watch the games from 2018 if you don't believe it.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Drew Pyne is significantly worse than 1st year starter (junior) Ian Book. Go back and watch the games from 2018 if you don't believe it.

Well I watched Ian violently crap the bed against Miami in 2017, which kinda colored future perceptions.

One is the all time winningest QB in school history, the other is not

Sure, but I think it's clear that Ian's physical toolkit - again aside from the field vision or speed or whatever that let him scramble the way he did - is not wildly above that of Pyne. Book won me over eventually but it's not like he was a huge threat to air it out.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Bachmeier is a fine option. He put up a rather decent junior season, on a rather average BSU team last year.

Not sure why Leary would leave NCSU. They are 6-2, and may only falter in their remaining games because he is injured. And the secondary options so far haven't looked like superstars, so he's place as the incumbent starter won't likely be challenged.

Same thing with Rising. Utah won the PAC-12 last year, and could push for it again this year. Wittingham has been there 18 years, and looks to be content with the job.

You guys need to start looking at legitimate options, or at least those that have already entered the portal.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Well I watched Ian violently crap the bed against Miami in 2017, which kinda colored future perceptions.



Sure, but I think it's clear that Ian's physical toolkit - again aside from the field vision or speed or whatever that let him scramble the way he did - is not wildly above that of Pyne. Book won me over eventually but it's not like he was a huge threat to air it out.

I believe Brandon Wimbush was the QB in 2017 against Miami so it may be his bed that was soiled…….

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

I believe Brandon Wimbush was the QB in 2017 against Miami so it may be his bed that was soiled…….

Nope he got benched in the second quarter and then Ian entered and immediately threw a pick six.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Well I watched Ian violently crap the bed against Miami in 2017, which kinda colored future perceptions.

If you watched that game you would have known Wimbush started. Book threw a pick coming off the bench, which was one of the first times he saw game action. And that Miami defense was buzzing all season.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

If you watched that game you would have known Wimbush started. Book threw a pick coming off the bench, which was one of the first times he saw game action. And that Miami defense was buzzing all season.

I was at that game. And yep like I said he immediately crapped his pants. I don't think it was that the Miami defense was buzzing all season - Clemson hung 38 on them, and they finished the season 0-3 - but rather the classic ND thing of freaking out and starting to cry whenever they're in a hostile road environment. Whenever we eventually get forced into a conference (the SEC, I hope) that will be one big advantage - we'll finally be forced to learn how to show up to big road games.

 

[indianamouse]

I was at that game. And yep like I said he immediately crapped his pants. I don't think it was that the Miami defense was buzzing all season - Clemson hung 38 on them, and they finished the season 0-3 - but rather the classic ND thing of freaking out and starting to cry whenever they're in a hostile road environment. Whenever we eventually get forced into a conference (the SEC, I hope) that will be one big advantage - we'll finally be forced to learn how to show up to big road games.

I think we showed up prepared at OSU this year.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

I think we showed up prepared at OSU this year.

Certainly wasn't as ugly as past road games, I'll give you that. But OSU often starts the season slow. I suspect if we played at the Shoe in November things wouldn't go as well, but who knows!

 

[CanadalovesND]

I was at that game. And yep like I said he immediately crapped his pants. I don't think it was that the Miami defense was buzzing all season - Clemson hung 38 on them, and they finished the season 0-3 - but rather the classic ND thing of freaking out and starting to cry whenever they're in a hostile road environment. Whenever we eventually get forced into a conference (the SEC, I hope) that will be one big advantage - we'll finally be forced to learn how to show up to big road games.

Oof. Sorry you wasted your money.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Oof. Sorry you wasted your money.

Lol it was an amazing weekend aside from the two quarters of football I watched. Seems like a common thread to many "I traveled to a big ND away game!" stories

 

[PANDFAN]

I'd tamper with Cam Rising or Devin Leary if Ruggiero doesn't bring Sam Hartman with him..

Or better yet... Max Duggan since Garrett Riley's the next OC...

In all seriousness, Hank Bachmeier's already reached out about joining the Irish next year. Well he probably has, right?

That's an easy no thanks from me

 

[BobbyMac]

That's an easy no thanks from me

You don't like any of them or just Bachmeier?

 

[317Irish]

Lol it was an amazing weekend aside from the two quarters of football I watched. Seems like a common thread to many "I traveled to a big ND away game!" stories

So ur judging books career on the one minute of football u watched him play against Miami after he came in off the bench? Sounds par for the course on the takes of yours that I have read.

 

[BobbyMac]

Bachmeier is a fine option. He put up a rather decent junior season, on a rather average BSU team last year.

Not sure why Leary would leave NCSU. They are 6-2, and may only falter in their remaining games because he is injured. And the secondary options so far haven't looked like superstars, so he's place as the incumbent starter won't likely be challenged.

Same thing with Rising. Utah won the PAC-12 last year, and could push for it again this year. Wittingham has been there 18 years, and looks to be content with the job.

You guys need to start looking at legitimate options, or at least those that have already entered the portal.

I agree with you if I have my pre-NIL cap on but when you combine some of these guys being ND fans (like Coan) with the national brand that ND is, NIL makes anything possible.

 

[stpeteirish]

Bachmeier is a fine option. He put up a rather decent junior season, on a rather average BSU team last year.

Not sure why Leary would leave NCSU. They are 6-2, and may only falter in their remaining games because he is injured. And the secondary options so far haven't looked like superstars, so he's place as the incumbent starter won't likely be challenged.

Same thing with Rising. Utah won the PAC-12 last year, and could push for it again this year. Wittingham has been there 18 years, and looks to be content with the job.

You guys need to start looking at legitimate options, or at least those that have already entered the portal.

No one will be able to enter the portal until December, at least officially. So its mostly speculation until then. And they won't have their draft grades until late Dec and most of the good Grad Transfer types will be waiting for that info before looking seriously at schools.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Nope he got benched in the second quarter and then Ian entered and immediately threw a pick six.

I totally forgot about that but that video brought it back……must have blocked it out 😆

 

[NDdomer2]

i see were back to rotating user names

 

[Justin574]

One is the all time winningest QB in school history, the other is not

One hasn't had even remotely enough playing time to become the all time winningest QB (not at all suggesting he will). But he's right, statistically Pyne isn't that much worse than what we've had for far too long at ND

 

[Justin574]

Drew Pyne is significantly worse than 1st year starter (junior) Ian Book. Go back and watch the games from 2018 if you don't believe it.

I mean Book's best year was his first year starting. If we take Book in his last season he was 64%, 15TDs and 3INTs in 12 games compared to Pyne who's at 62% 13TDs and 4INTs through ~6games. It's not exactly a jaw dropping statistical difference between the two depending on what season you look at. Granted, Pyne declined rapidly in a matter of 1 game and at this point doesn't look like he'll rebound but who knows.

 

[notredomer23]

I mean Book's best year was his first year starting. If we take Book in his last season he was 64%, 15TDs and 3INTs in 12 games compared to Pyne who's at 62% 13TDs and 4INTs through ~6games. It's not exactly a jaw dropping statistical difference between the two depending on what season you look at.

2019 Ian Book was better than 2018. 2020 Ian Book was as good considering he lost Chase Claypool and Cole Kmet. People forget how bad ND’s receivers were the first half of 2020 because Davis, McKinley, and Skowronek had nice a nice game against Clemson.

 

[NDPhilly]

My eyes tell me Ian Book got better every year, and even in 2018, could read a defense significantly better than Pyne right now.

 

[Justin574]

2019 Ian Book was better than 2018. 2020 Ian Book was as good considering he lost Chase Claypool and Cole Kmet. People forget how bad ND’s receivers were the first half of 2020 because Davis, McKinley, and Skowronek had nice a nice game against Clemson.

I guess it depends, he had more TDs in 2019 but he had a 60% completion percentage that season vs a 68% completion percentage the year before. But still, taking his last season stats, they weren't clearly better than Pyne's at this point.

 

[Justin574]

2019 Ian Book was better than 2018. 2020 Ian Book was as good considering he lost Chase Claypool and Cole Kmet. People forget how bad ND’s receivers were the first half of 2020 because Davis, McKinley, and Skowronek had nice a nice game against Clemson.

It's not as if Pyne is working with elite veteran talent this season either outside of Mayer. I don't think that highly of Pyne, I just don't think Book was that much better.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

So ur judging books career on the one minute of football u watched him play against Miami after he came in off the bench? Sounds par for the course on the takes of yours that I have read.

I'm saying Book was at best a game manager type who isn't THAT MUCH better than Pyne by any reasonable standard

 

[Dale]

Pyne’s had 3 straight games completing 50% or less with 151, 205 and 116 yards against sub par competition.



Like Philly said, all of our eyes know this is a ridiculous comparison to even entertain.

 

[Justin574]

Pyne’s had 3 straight games completing 50% or less with 151, 205 and 116 yards against sub par competition.



Like Philly said, all of our eyes know this is a ridiculous comparison to even entertain.

Against Michigan in 2019 Book went 8/25 for 73yrds. It was in the rain but he's had his share of games where he shit the bed pretty badly.