'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
What is a law without any punishment? Its a suggestion.

That is the state of the NIL rules. There is no punishment for going against the intent of the law. John Ruiz is flaunting his rule-breaking and lawyers are salivating over the opportunity to sue the NCAA if they ever try to punish anyone. But we continue to follow the suggestion instead of living in reality.
Yes. If you're inclined to criticize ND's admin for anything, the undue levels of deference they're continuing to show to the NCAA would be at the top of my list. The NCAA is a corrupt and morally bankrupt institution, so we're not maintaining some sort of moral high ground by acting this way.
 

Veritate Duce Progredi

A man gotta have a code
Messages
9,358
Reaction score
5,352
That was ND during the Vinnie Cerrato era. Our rivals had to get the NCAA to change the rules just to stop us.

At some point this has to stop being what others are doing and start being about what ND is failing to do in order to compete. A million bucks is life-changing money for a family like the Keeleys. Our boosters could easily match whatever he's being offered. If we lose him based on our refusal to do so, that's an entirely self-inflicted wound.
I don't disagree, it just gets painful watching this year after year.
When Freeman has a recruit on a visit, he should have the ability to pull out a presentation with a list of companies a mile long that have shown the willingness to work with current and former players involving NIL. I don’t buy into the upfront P4P argument. Coaches have everything they need in order to show a recruit what they can expect to make under NIL and are free to make those deals themselves. ND should be leading the pack with this and if they aren’t, then they better adjust or risk falling further behind. No way Bama or 99% of other schools could keep up.
As far as Bama, they will eventually go through another 20+ years of purgatory soon enough. Enjoy the ride while you can and realize it doesn’t last forever.

This is 20+ yrs of fandom and frustration without a natty. I don't buy there aren't any upfront P4P going on. Saban called out TAMU for it, then he was basically soliciting the Alabama boosters afterwards telling them how much it costs to be in the game. But I don't care, ND has to adapt or die.
 

WaveDomer

Well-known member
Messages
1,356
Reaction score
307
Do people here actually think NIL is going to be policed more in the future? Where in college athletics have you seen this precedence? I wouldn't count on congress, the NCAA, or any other entity enforcing any sort of rules around NIL.
I think NIL will be policed in terms of return on investment. How happy are people going to be giving recruits money to ride the bench or to transfer? Myles Brennan just retired at LSU and he gets to keep the NIL deals he made. I think he made 5. One is an auto dealer. I don't even think he took a snap after making those deals. That's bad ROI for any business. There are going to be 5 stars that flame out, it happens. Even if they don't bust, is that money worth going to the Alamo Bowl? Not for me to answer, but I would bet on people chilling out on NIL payments in the coming years.
 

ndfanatic78

I have unconditional love for every one of you.
Messages
1,561
Reaction score
1,788
So you're saying that businesses that offer these kids NIL contracts aren't offering guarantees, or that it's impossible to have that language in said contract?

I really haven't been following closely to the wording of these P4P contracts or NIL deals. I really don't know the ins and outs.
I am saying they are guaranteeing some of the money. That’s the whole reason the kids are signing the contracts.
 

IrishSteelhead

All Flair, No Substance
Messages
11,114
Reaction score
4,686
The uncomfortable reality of things is:

You cant get many guys like this unless you win games like the one coming up, and you cant win games like the one coming up without guys like this.

It becomes tiresome to see news like this, but the news itself isnt shocking.

MF is doing serious work, and if his coaching chops are legit, he will get some of these guys to stick.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

dublinirish

Everestt Gholstonson
Messages
27,329
Reaction score
13,092
-He was told by multiple commits that Keeley had blocked off communication with the commits for weeks.
-Keeley was really influenced by people around him to look around/go elsewhere.
it was said before wasn't it all his HS coaches were heavily pro-Florida right?
 

StPaul_Irish

Resident Smart Ass
Messages
2,906
Reaction score
3,119
Echoes ISD’s article and actually calls out that Bama backdoor’d their way to get Keon to decommit by using influences around him. Bama wanted him to decommit on his visit, after his visit, etc and he didn’t want to.

That was a great rant from Shaun.

So you saying Keon still wants ND, but his Uncle said no?
 

Dale

Well-known member
Messages
16,120
Reaction score
27,375
it was said before wasn't it all his HS coaches were heavily pro-Florida right?

Probably has some sort of Florida school lean but the most recent mention I’ve seen on his HS coach is he was on our side somewhat. Didn’t like decommits or the visiting as a commit I thought. Maybe doesn’t want bridges burned for future prospects?
 

BleedBlueGold

Well-known member
Messages
6,271
Reaction score
2,495
When Freeman has a recruit on a visit, he should have the ability to pull out a presentation with a list of companies a mile long that have shown the willingness to work with current and former players involving NIL. I don’t buy into the upfront P4P argument. Coaches have everything they need in order to show a recruit what they can expect to make under NIL and are free to make those deals themselves. ND should be leading the pack with this and if they aren’t, then they better adjust or risk falling further behind. No way Bama or 99% of other schools could keep up.
As far as Bama, they will eventually go through another 20+ years of purgatory soon enough. Enjoy the ride while you can and realize it doesn’t last forever.

This is kind of what I was alluding to in an earlier post. Why can't ND get a list of alum-owned businesses to sponsor players, complete with contracts written in a way that guarantees money for signing and money earned over 4 years for being a spokesperson for said company? People are pointing out that you have to be accomplished to get that sort of NIL deal and I'm saying, "maybe not, shouldn't ND at least try it?" You don't HAVE TO be an All American to get a NIL deal, but your contract should be written in a way that if/when you are, you get paid accordingly. Signing Bonus + Base + Incentives.....that's how I see ND getting in the mix.
 

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,608
Reaction score
20,088
Here is an article from IB today. Keeley is still considering ND and Freeman is still recruiting him

When a kid decommits, but says they are still considering that school, it's rare they recommit. I guess we'll see what kind of a salesman MFMF is. ABC baby!
 

T Town Tommy

Alabama Bag Man
Messages
6,278
Reaction score
2,768
This is kind of what I was alluding to in an earlier post. Why can't ND get a list of alum-owned businesses to sponsor players, complete with contracts written in a way that guarantees money for signing and money earned over 4 years for being a spokesperson for said company? People are pointing out that you have to be accomplished to get that sort of NIL deal and I'm saying, "maybe not, shouldn't ND at least try it?" You don't HAVE TO be an All American to get a NIL deal, but your contract should be written in a way that if/when you are, you get paid accordingly. Signing Bonus + Base + Incentives.....that's how I see ND getting in the mix.
I don’t know if I would go as far as guaranteed money just for signing. But I would make it known that I have an endless supply of opportunities available. Then while mom and dad are watching the presentation, you convince them by showing that you have all available resources to assist the player when it comes to navigating NIL deals. Not all deals are good deals so you convince the parents that you got their son’s back. When they leave they should have a very good concept of what potential NIL money is available. ND could kill it simply by doing this. The 40 year plan would be the final selling point. Let the degree and the earnings potential after football sell itself- especially when the NFL lifespan is short. God, ND could cherry pick their class doing this.
 

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,485
Reaction score
14,227
Guys, ND has won a lot of games over the last ten years. The only programs who have won more are UGA, OU, tOSU, Clemson and Alabama.

The key is winning games in January and beating any of the programs that were just mentioned.

They need to develop players into higher draft picks and win the big games that matter to the outside world. They might need to do it without the "gap closers" like Keeley. They can't do it without an elite QB, which makes CJ Carr incredibly important more than any of these other guys.
 

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,608
Reaction score
20,088
That was ND during the Vinnie Cerrato era. Our rivals had to get the NCAA to change the rules just to stop us.

At some point this has to stop being what others are doing and start being about what ND is failing to do in order to compete. A million bucks is life-changing money for a family like the Keeleys. Our boosters could easily match whatever he's being offered. If we lose him based on our refusal to do so, that's an entirely self-inflicted wound.
I'm thinking with your connections, you should be working on this right now instead of posting on IE. ;)
 

ulukinatme

Carr for QB 2026!
Messages
31,521
Reaction score
17,403
When a kid decommits, but says they are still considering that school, it's rare they recommit. I guess we'll see what kind of a salesman MFMF is. ABC baby!
Might need to start flipping these family members, not the kids themselves.
 

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
I'm thinking with your connections, you should be working on this right now instead of posting on IE. ;)
I do know some guys who are super frustrated by Keeley's decommitment, and who also have the means to do something about it. But none of them is willing to risk getting blackballed by the University over a single recruit.
 

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,770
Reaction score
10,153
Guys, ND has won a lot of games over the last ten years. The only programs who have won more are UGA, OU, tOSU, Clemson and Alabama.

The key is winning games in January and beating any of the programs that were just mentioned.

They need to develop players into higher draft picks and win the big games that matter to the outside world. They might need to do it without the "gap closers" like Keeley. They can't do it without an elite QB, which makes CJ Carr incredibly important more than any of these other guys.
I still think ND's best model would basically be a BK 2.0 approach (I'm going to get killed for this but hear me out, please focus on the 2.0, lol). Prioritize fit, development, and experience but push much harder (which Freeman does) to ensure you are not missing on the Burnham, Sneed, Ford's of each class. In reality, I think BK was only 2-4 guys each class and an elite QB away from a legitimately competing for playoff wins. Freeman is knocking on that door. The only problem is see is if we go too far down the path of prioritizing stars over fit which creates significant roster gaps and/or an inexperienced roster/position groups at the wrong time.
 

notredomer23

Staph Member
Messages
17,637
Reaction score
17,563
I do know some guys who are super frustrated by Keeley's decommitment, and who also have the means to do something about it. But none of them is willing to risk getting blackballed by the University over a single recruit.

My venmo is open. Most of it will make it to Keely.
 

GATTACA!

It's about to get gross
Messages
15,113
Reaction score
12,947
I do know some guys who are super frustrated by Keeley's decommitment, and who also have the means to do something about it. But none of them is willing to risk getting blackballed by the University over a single recruit.
Let’s start a shell company. I volunteer to be the face.
 
Top