'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[stlnd01]

It just doesn't make any sense. Dante is going to be on campus a full year before CJ. Additionally, if it takes ND out then why doesn't it take A&M or LSU out? A&M signed a 5* QB in the 2022 class and they're the favorite for a 5* QB in the 2024 class. LSU just signed Walker Howard.

No it doesn't make any sense. They should keep on Moore as much as possible, unless they feel burned enough by him dragging this out that the relationship is effectively over and they'll just snag the best available three star who actually wants to be here.

Or perhaps the real worry is that taking Moore precludes Carr. Not right now but a year from now when he flips late or something.

 

[IrishLion]

I think the staff saw what we all saw with the TAMU comments and visit. That Dante wants the highest bidder and his college choice has less to do with academics, teammates, or his future draft stock and has everything to do with pay me right now. CJ literally stated he wanted to commit early to help his team recruit. Those are very different character kids right there. I don't know Dante so I won't judge his character, but visiting only big NIL schools with 0 connection to the state of Texas says a lot, lol.

C'mon man. You're doing it without doing it.

There are only so many Tier 1/2/3 schools for QB dominoes to fall, and he's explored those schools that other top QB's are also considering.

scUM: home state school
Miami: OC is scUM's old OC, who Dante had a good relationship with
LSU: BK
Oregon: NIL?
TAMU: NIL

Who cares if two of his visits were to NIL-heavy schools? Outside of that, Dante has handled this recruitment exactly as he has always said he would publicly. He would take his OV's, would like to commit before his senior season, but could take it into the fall to see how his prospective schools do this Fall.

And that last part wasn't even a recent update! He said that way back in March when the fire really started to heat up, but I think a lot of people just glossed over it. There was a recent uproar when he mentioned that possibility again... but it has always been a possibility, from his own mouth.

I understand being frustrated, but a lot of people out there have turned on him with torches and pitchforks just because he isn't following an arbitrary timeline they've made up in their minds, considering his OFFICIAL timeline still hasn't even expired.

 

[Irish'15]

C'mon man. You're doing it without doing it.

There are only so many Tier 1/2/3 schools for QB dominoes to fall, and he's explored those schools that other top QB's are also considering.

scUM: home state school
Miami: OC is scUM's old OC, who Dante had a good relationship with
LSU: BK
Oregon: NIL?
TAMU: NIL

Who cares if two of his visits were to NIL-heavy schools? Outside of that, Dante has handled this recruitment exactly as he has always said he would publicly. He would take his OV's, would like to commit before his senior season, but could take it into the fall to see how his prospective schools do this Fall.

And that last part wasn't even a recent update! He said that way back in March when the fire really started to heat up, but I think a lot of people just glossed over it. There was a recent uproar when he mentioned that possibility again... but it has always been a possibility, from his own mouth.

I understand being frustrated, but a lot of people out there have turned on him with torches and pitchforks just because he isn't following an arbitrary timeline they've made up in their minds, considering his OFFICIAL timeline still hasn't even expired.

Nah, I support a kid doing what he wants. I can't say I blame him. If I was him I might do the same. As a ND guy, I just prefer high caliber kids like CJ that have the team first mindset, want to recruit for their school, and have the big picture in mind. It's nothing against Dante. Some kids just want to get paid. We all grow up with different environments, experiences, values. TAMU is the right fit for some kids. Unfortunately for many of them, it's going to mean quick cash and transfer portal. I never once blamed Dante and never will. I have blamed the staff for putting all their eggs in one basket, but I said it would be a good learning opp. for them when they missed. Hopefully it is.

 

[CoachB]

I still maintain that Dante is a good kid and he isn't just in it for the NIL. I think the only reason Loy would be correct in saying that if Carr commits, we wouldn't keep pursing Dante is this scenario..

CJ: Coach, I love this place. I am ready to commit to Notre Dame.
Coach: That's awesome! Welcome! We are super excited to have you. Let us know when you want to make it public.

Separate conversation:

Julian: Coach, I love this place. I am ready to commit to Notre Dame.
Coach: That's awesome! Welcome! We are super excited to have you. Let us know when you want to make it public.

Another separate conversation:

Dante: Coach, I still love ND. Still number one to me. I am going to enjoy this ride, though. I am going to be visiting other schools. I know I told you that I was all in in March, and that hasn't changed.

Coach: Awesome! We still believe you at your word, Dante. However, things happen in recruiting and we have to keep recruiting just in case things happen. You could blow out your knee playing shuffleboard tomorrow. We recruit 24/7 here at ND. I would hope you would understand. We really want you and think you are great, but we are going to protect ourselves from the unthinkable.

Dante: Of course, I understand coach. I hope you understand what I am doing as well.

Next conversation:

Coach to CJ and Julian: We love you both for our '24 QB. Whoever wants the spot, the race is on. Unless you both want to commit, of couse.

Julian: I would love to be your '24 QB if CJ is not in the same class as me. Not that I am afraid of competition, but we are the top 2 QB's in the country.

CJ: Hey coach. What do you think about me reclassifying to '23? My academics are in order and my family and I have talked about it.

Coach: We would love that if that's what you want to do.

CJ: Thing is, I would only want to reclassify if you don't have another elite QB in the class.

Coach: OK, I will let you know.

Next conversation:

Coach: Hey Dante. I know you said you would make your decision likely before summer, and now we totally understand you wanting to see the product on the field. Here's the thing. We still would love to have you. However, CJ is talking about reclassifying to '23. We still love you, but we think having two 5*s ready to commit in the next two years is better than having you LIKELY to commit to us. CJ is committing on the 9th. He is going to classify to '23 and Julian is committing to the '24 class. You are still more than welcome to join if you don't mind the competition, but it will have to be before the 9th because we told CJ if he takes that spot we aren't going to sign another 5* in the '23 class. The ball is in your court son. If he commits on the 9th, we are going to go ahead and roll with CJ and Julian. Think about it and let us know.

Dante: OK, I understand. Thanks, coach. I will let you know soon.

 

[House16]

I still maintain that Dante is a good kid and he isn't just in it for the NIL. I think the only reason Loy would be correct in saying that if Carr commits, we wouldn't keep pursing Dante is this scenario..

CJ: Coach, I love this place. I am ready to commit to Notre Dame.
Coach: That's awesome! Welcome! We are super excited to have you. Let us know when you want to make it public.

Separate conversation:

Julian: Coach, I love this place. I am ready to commit to Notre Dame.
Coach: That's awesome! Welcome! We are super excited to have you. Let us know when you want to make it public.

Another separate conversation:

Dante: Coach, I still love ND. Still number one to me. I am going to enjoy this ride, though. I am going to be visiting other schools. I know I told you that I was all in in March, and that hasn't changed.

Coach: Awesome! We still believe you at your word, Dante. However, things happen in recruiting and we have to keep recruiting just in case things happen. You could blow out your knee playing shuffleboard tomorrow. We recruit 24/7 here at ND. I would hope you would understand. We really want you and think you are great, but we are going to protect ourselves from the unthinkable.

Dante: Of course, I understand coach. I hope you understand what I am doing as well.

Next conversation:

Coach to CJ and Julian: We love you both for our '24 QB. Whoever wants the spot, the race is on. Unless you both want to commit, of couse.

Julian: I would love to be your '24 QB if CJ is not in the same class as me. Not that I am afraid of competition, but we are the top 2 QB's in the country.

CJ: Hey coach. What do you think about me reclassifying to '23? My academics are in order and my family and I have talked about it.

Coach: We would love that if that's what you want to do.

CJ: Thing is, I would only want to reclassify if you don't have another elite QB in the class.

Coach: OK, I will let you know.

Next conversation:

Coach: Hey Dante. I know you said you would make your decision likely before summer, and now we totally understand you wanting to see the product on the field. Here's the thing. We still would love to have you. However, CJ is talking about reclassifying to '23. We still love you, but we think having two 5*s ready to commit in the next two years is better than having you LIKELY to commit to us. CJ is committing on the 9th. He is going to classify to '23 and Julian is committing to the '24 class. You are still more than welcome to join if you don't mind the competition, but it will have to be before the 9th because we told CJ if he takes that spot we aren't going to sign another 5* in the '23 class. The ball is in your court son. If he commits on the 9th, we are going to go ahead and roll with CJ and Julian. Think about it and let us know.

Dante: OK, I understand. Thanks, coach. I will let you know soon.

There's about a 0.0000001% chance all this is true but it would be so awesome that my brain is telling me it all adds up lol

 

[Irish'15]

I still maintain that Dante is a good kid and he isn't just in it for the NIL. I think the only reason Loy would be correct in saying that if Carr commits, we wouldn't keep pursing Dante is this scenario..

CJ: Coach, I love this place. I am ready to commit to Notre Dame.
Coach: That's awesome! Welcome! We are super excited to have you. Let us know when you want to make it public.

Separate conversation:

Julian: Coach, I love this place. I am ready to commit to Notre Dame.
Coach: That's awesome! Welcome! We are super excited to have you. Let us know when you want to make it public.

Another separate conversation:

Dante: Coach, I still love ND. Still number one to me. I am going to enjoy this ride, though. I am going to be visiting other schools. I know I told you that I was all in in March, and that hasn't changed.

Coach: Awesome! We still believe you at your word, Dante. However, things happen in recruiting and we have to keep recruiting just in case things happen. You could blow out your knee playing shuffleboard tomorrow. We recruit 24/7 here at ND. I would hope you would understand. We really want you and think you are great, but we are going to protect ourselves from the unthinkable.

Dante: Of course, I understand coach. I hope you understand what I am doing as well.

Next conversation:

Coach to CJ and Julian: We love you both for our '24 QB. Whoever wants the spot, the race is on. Unless you both want to commit, of couse.

Julian: I would love to be your '24 QB if CJ is not in the same class as me. Not that I am afraid of competition, but we are the top 2 QB's in the country.

CJ: Hey coach. What do you think about me reclassifying to '23? My academics are in order and my family and I have talked about it.

Coach: We would love that if that's what you want to do.

CJ: Thing is, I would only want to reclassify if you don't have another elite QB in the class.

Coach: OK, I will let you know.

Next conversation:

Coach: Hey Dante. I know you said you would make your decision likely before summer, and now we totally understand you wanting to see the product on the field. Here's the thing. We still would love to have you. However, CJ is talking about reclassifying to '23. We still love you, but we think having two 5*s ready to commit in the next two years is better than having you LIKELY to commit to us. CJ is committing on the 9th. He is going to classify to '23 and Julian is committing to the '24 class. You are still more than welcome to join if you don't mind the competition, but it will have to be before the 9th because we told CJ if he takes that spot we aren't going to sign another 5* in the '23 class. The ball is in your court son. If he commits on the 9th, we are going to go ahead and roll with CJ and Julian. Think about it and let us know.

Dante: OK, I understand. Thanks, coach. I will let you know soon.

This is similar to what my line of thinking was. Why drop your recruitment of Dante unless you plan on reclassifying Carr.

 

[MacIrish75]

Nah, I support a kid doing what he wants. I can't say I blame him. If I was him I might do the same. As a ND guy, I just prefer high caliber kids like CJ that have the team first mindset, want to recruit for their school, and have the big picture in mind. It's nothing against Dante. Some kids just want to get paid. We all grow up with different environments, experiences, values. TAMU is the right fit for some kids. Unfortunately for many of them, it's going to mean quick cash and transfer portal. I never once blamed Dante and never will. I have blamed the staff for putting all their eggs in one basket, but I said it would be a good learning opp. for them when they missed. Hopefully it is.

So you want the staff to…shop down a different aisle? BK is that you?

 

[lcaps20]

I haven't seen one insider really give much credibility to the Carr reclassifying rumor. Would be awesome if it happens and Sayin follows in 24

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Not that Tommy/Freeman don't already know this, but...

If Dante truly is gone, circling back to AJ wouldn't be that "hard" in the sense the can say "we loved you all along, but we had a guy who told us already that he was coming and we tried to honor it..."

A built in reason, that isn't a lie (seemingly).

 

[Irish'15]

I haven't seen one insider really give much credibility to the Carr reclassifying rumor. Would be awesome if it happens and Sayin follows in 24

Right. Until I hear something, I wouldn't bet on it. But he will be a 19 year old senior. Reclassifying to red shirt allows him to hit the weights, learn the offense and get ready to start his freshman year. Makes a little bit of sense.

 

[DONTH8]

Where is Tweed/Jerry Rice with the inside scoop?

 

[NDMatt91]

Not that Tommy/Freeman don't already know this, but...

If Dante truly is gone, circling back to AJ wouldn't be that "hard" in the sense the can say "we loved you all along, but we had a guy who told us already that he was coming and we tried to honor it..."

A built in reason, that isn't a lie (seemingly).

I'd hope they reach out to Jackson Arnold. Teammates with Peyton Bowen.

 

[Irish'15]

I'd hope they reach out to Jackson Arnold. Teammates with Peyton Bowen.

Someone on here recently stated that they "know for a fact" Jackson Arnold had 0 interest in ND. Could've been bs, but it was stated.

 

[Dale]

I don’t know why Jackson Arnold would be more interested now than 5 months ago

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Someone on here recently stated that they "know for a fact" Jackson Arnold had 0 interest in ND. Could've been bs, but it was stated.

That's not true period.
The person that said that was wrong.

ND moved past him in favor of Dante and Vizzinia (which Vizzinia was quickly dropped too after).

 

[Irish#1]

Not true.

Not totally true. First, many kids and their families may blow that money. This is common in other cases of quick cash like social media fame, lottery winnings, short NFL stints. I also feel it will end up resulting in a disincentive for a variety of these kids to reach their potential both in their careers and in the NFL, where the real wealth is built. Would I take the highest bidder? Hard to say. I think I have savvy parents and wealthy family members that might level with me and steer me in the direction of long term wealth. Second, when the big picture was laid out for me to understand, I think I'd choose the academic school that offers me a disciplined, structured, and enriching environment, with early PT potential, that was also paying me a good amount and setting me up for success in the NFL or a 50 year career to fall back on/do when I was tired of the NFL. So, IDK. Particularly if my parents were as naive as me. But, if I was offered a decent amount of money at the school I really fit at, I would forgo the extra cash elsewhere. It's not as cut and dry as big NIL at podunk U vs no money and elite degree. It's a 50 year decision. Is there a big difference between a TAMU/LSU degree vs a ND/Stanford degree? Hell yes. Does it make up for an $8 million NIL deal when you factor in that a school like ND/Stanford are also paying kids a good amount? I guarantee it.

While I don't disagree, we really don't know his parents and what they're thinking. If he and his family are the type that would blow through that money, then they probably aren't the type to make the 40 year decision. Maybe they are looking for the highest bidder because they know a lucrative contract in the NFL isn't a guarantee?

 

[Dale]

ND moved past him in favor of Dante and Vizzinia (which Vizzinia was quickly dropped too after).

I don’t think ND dropped Arnold, unless there is an account of the recruitment out there I’m unaware of

 

[IrishLax]

I don’t think ND dropped Arnold, unless there is an account of the recruitment out there I’m unaware of

They didn’t. As far as I’m aware, they wanted his commitment if they could get it but he preferred Oklahoma.

Vizzina getting “dropped” is also a bit over-stated because they opted not to host him after 1) Dante told them he would be committing 2) they thought they trailed Clemson for Vizzina.

 

[CoachB]

There's about a 0.0000001% chance all this is true but it would be so awesome that my brain is telling me it all adds up lol

Right? Lol. I would be 100% OK with this scenario, though!

 

[Dale]

They didn’t. As far as I’m aware, they wanted his commitment if they could get it but he preferred Oklahoma.

Vizzina getting “dropped” is also a bit over-stated because they opted not to host him after 1) Dante told them he would be committing 2) they thought they trailed Clemson for Vizzina.

100%.

Jackson Arnold went to OU something like 3 times in 4 weekends at one point I’m pretty sure.

 

[IrishLax]

ISD reporting that they have more or less confirmed today that ND will be moving on from Dante Moore -- https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/73054.

Now, personally, I would bet that they reached out to Dante yesterday or today after Carr committed and talked things through with him, and this is more of two-way conversation than one-way. Just my personal hunch. But I expect them to open up the board to other candidates this week, and for Dante to ultimately sign with whoever gives him the most up front guaranteed money.

 

[INLaw]

A lot of heavy hitters moved on from Dante Moore. Making friends and influencing people. Ensuring that his final destination is luke warm on him at best

 

[NDFAN2008]

Honestly the way it was playing out I’d much rather move on. If the kid really wanted to be here he woulda made it public by now and got the ball moving on recruiting other kids in this class

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Why is Carr's commitment the time to move on? If Carr hadn't committed would ND still be waiting on Moore?

Or was the real turning point when Moore decided not to visit for the 10th/17th and we're just really learning about it now?

 

[ACamp1900]

ISD reporting that they have more or less confirmed today that ND will be moving on from Dante Moore -- https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/73054.

This is the strangest shit ever... from shutting down guys bc of Moore to shutting down Moore bc another guy from another class... are we just misreading what happened on our end???

I need a drink here,... pass me some Tang.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I'm fixing turtle soup for supper.

 

[Riddickulous]

Sounds to me like it was always going to be one or the other.

 

[stlnd01]

Why is Carr's commitment the time to move on? If Carr hadn't committed would ND still be waiting on Moore?

Or was the real turning point when Moore decided not to visit for the 10th/17th and we're just really learning about it now?

I would suspect the latter, frankly. Carr's visit this weekend probably sealed the deal with him and made moving on from Dante easier, but this didn't all happen in the last 48 hours.

 

[Dale]

Now, personally, I would bet that they reached out to Dante yesterday or today after Carr committed and talked things through with him, and this is more of two-way conversation than one-way.

It’d agree. He won’t do one, but if Moore gave his side I’m sure it wouldn’t be ND dropped me.

I can’t imagine “we want to see how you look in the fall” went over well to Marcus Freeman’s ears. It’s kind of a slap in the face. Carr feels like an out to end a relationship that turned sour after some misleads from Moore.

 

[IrishLax]

This is the strangest shit ever... from shutting down guys bc of Moore to shutting down Moore bc another guy from another class... are we just misreading what happened on our end???

I need a drink here,... pass me some Tang.

My read is that landing Carr probably gave them leverage to have an honest conversation with Moore and that it became clear in that conversation that he's in it for a pay day.

This whole thing reeks of "trust but verify"... Moore liked ND, made a commitment behind the scenes and gave assurances he'd go public after he wrapped up his visits, then when he didn't and made comments about dragging out the process ND probably saw warning signs. But there is asymmetrical downside vs upside to making any moves when you don't have leverage. So they've probably been recruiting '24 hard while sorting out that situation, and now have better leverage in the situation to have tough conversations.

Contrast all of this to, say, Del Alexander blindly trusting a situation for another six months and getting burned at the end.