'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[Irish'15]

Loy says that if ND misses on Dante Moore, he believes we'll get Avery Johnson. Also added that ND leads for both Sayin and Carr. He's close to joining Wiltfong with an ND CB in for Carr, but believes that Sayin may be ready to commit before Carr is.

Johnson is committing this month and he hasn’t mentioned ND since 2021. IDK where these people get their info. He is being recruited by schools like Oregon without exclusivity recruiting clauses. I highly doubt he’s coming to ND. But, I concede that Loy knows more than me so perhaps he’s right and there’s stuff not public.

 

[Irish4life]

Neither Vizzina nor Arnold have a bigger arm or better arm talent than Moore. I don't know why this keeps getting stated on here.

Vizzina definitely does, Arnold is probably about equal. But at the end of the day it's the least important factor, unless we're talking about a Drew Pyne situation lol (we're not). DJ Uiagalelei has a significantly stronger arm that CJ Stroud, but I know which one I'd rather have, and it's not DJ lol.

 

[Irish'15]

Vizzina definitely does, Arnold is probably about equal. But at the end of the day it's the least important factor, unless we're talking about a Drew Pyne situation lol (we're not). DJ Uiagalelei has a significantly stronger arm that CJ Stroud, but I know which one I'd rather have, and it's not DJ lol.

Accuracy matters for sure. QB recruiting is a crap shoot. Only former 5 stars I can think of that start in the NFL are Matthew Stafford and Trevor Lawrence. Honestly, though based on history, one of Vizzina, Arnold, or Johnson are far more likely to be an All Pro. Good luck figuring out which one. Which 3 star in this class is Patrick Mahomes? He’s on the sites, but nobody knows which one he is yet. This is why I preach depth, competition. Take the 5 star kids if you can, but more than anything, don’t miss.

 

[DONTH8]

Accuracy matters for sure. QB recruiting is a crap shoot. Only former 5 stars I can think of that start in the NFL are Matthew Stafford amd Trevor Lawrence. Honestly, based on history, one of Vizzina, Arnold, or Johnson are far more likely to be an All Pro. Good luck figuring out which one.

Ignore. I noticed that you are talking in present tense and not past. Justin Fields should be on your list though.

 

[Dale]

Accuracy matters for sure. QB recruiting is a crap shoot. Only former 5 stars I can think of that start in the NFL are Matthew Stafford amd Trevor Lawrence. Honestly, though based on history, one of Vizzina, Arnold, or Johnson are far more likely to be an All Pro. Good luck figuring out which one. Which 3 star in this class is Patrick Mahomes? He’s on the sites, but nobody knows which one he is yet.

i think measuring who will be a All Pro NFL QB really doesn’t matter at all, but to say those 3 are “far more likely” is very untrue, particularly with regards to Arnold and Johnson.

 

[TorontoGold]

Accuracy matters for sure. QB recruiting is a crap shoot. Only former 5 stars I can think of that start in the NFL are Matthew Stafford and Trevor Lawrence. Honestly, though based on history, one of Vizzina, Arnold, or Johnson are far more likely to be an All Pro. Good luck figuring out which one. Which 3 star in this class is Patrick Mahomes? He’s on the sites, but nobody knows which one he is yet.

This line of thinking is straight up wrong, just because there are flops in the 5 star range it's undeniable that the hit rate for college and NFL success is higher on a progressive rate as you get further down the rankings.

You want Mahomes? Great you can take the rest of the QB's they have gotten at the mid/high 3 star range and see how that works out.

 

[Irish'15]

This line of thinking is straight up wrong, just because there are flops in the 5 star range it's undeniable that the hit rate for college and NFL success is higher on a progressive rate as you get further down the rankings.

You want Mahomes? Great you can take the rest of the QB's they have gotten at the mid/high 3 star range and see how that works out.

My main point is that depth matters. It’s not a shoot for the moon and land amongst the star situation. But you need solid kids to compete. I’m happy with 1 4 star every year. Going all in on a 5 and settling for a 3 is worse than going all in on a 5 and a 4 and getting at least a 4 if that kid wants you more. I don’t believe you go all in and dig your way back up to a 4. The opp cost of all in on a 5 is a 4 star miss. A 3 star QB is a waste to me.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I've been busy today so just checking in. Seems like we expect Angeli to win us our first natty in the 21st century?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I've been busy today so just checking in. Seems like we expect Angeli to win us our first natty in the 21st century?

Powlus is the consensus.

 

[Dale]

Cross Miami off the list

 

[ulukinatme]

Damn, all this traffic today, I was expecting to see that Moore just committed to A&M or something. At least people are starting to see the writing on the wall

Or we could get stuck with Pyne transferring, Buchner not being that good, Angeli not being power 5 quality. Way too many unknowns which is what makes Moore's recruitment so important.

What I took away from this is Pyne is legit, and Buchner and Angeli are the ones most likely to not pan out.

This isn't a thing. Jimmy Clausen didn't look at ND in 2006 and think, "Man, the Irish haven't produced a decent draft pick at QB since Rick Mirer. Better try to extract all the value I can from them because I'm holding all the cards. If they don't promise me the world, I'll just go to Tennessee or USC instead."

ND is the bluest of the blue bloods. All it takes is a new coach who can credibly sell the Return to Glory™, which we presently have going for us, and a 5-star QB who wants to cement his place in CFB history. They're not mortgage lenders looking over our paperwork stating, "I really like your trajectory, but the underwriter (my dad) is gonna have to see at least two consecutive years with a QB drafted in the 3rd round or better before I can consider investing in your program."

Clausen was a long time ago, kids today are too young to remember him. We're almost talking the pre-Saban era of college football dominance now. We've gotten back to the big stage, but I would very much believe that the other big time programs are in our recruit's ears. They're likely pointing out it's been 30 years since we've developed even a moderately successful QB at the next level (Mirer is even a stretch, it was 3 decent years and that's about it). If you're a 5 star talent and almost certainly looking at the league that's got to be a hard pill to swallow.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Clausen was a long time ago, kids today are too young to remember him. We're almost talking the pre-Saban era of college football dominance now.

I'm not suggesting that kids will remember Jimmy. My point was that ND's reputation for putting talent in the League was worse when Clausen committed than it is today. It didn't stop Weis then, and it won't stop Freeman now.

We've gotten back to the big stage, but I would very much believe that the other big time programs are in our recruit's ears. They're likely pointing out it's been 30 years since we've developed even a moderately successful QB at the next level (Mirer is even a stretch, it was 3 decent years and that's about it). If you're a 5 star talent and almost certainly looking at the league that's got to be a hard pill to swallow.

Don't agree. This is purely a message board poster neurosis. Take a look at where the current starting QBs graduated from. The top 3 aren't producing successful arm talent at nearly the rate they are for other positions. Of the top 15 QBs in the League, only Stafford graduated from one of the powerhouses that's currently got a better roster than ours; and before he moved to the Rams, he wasn't exactly an asset for the Dawgs on the recruiting trail.

The only thing that might stop us from landing an elite QB in the near future is NIL. That's it.

 

[Irishnuke]

Every time I click on this thread

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So in the case of Moore, NIL is the only holdover? All the blustering about seeing the product on the field is only as sincere as it relates to raising that NIL?

If Freeman falls on his face or Rees' offense looks like hot garbage, then yeah, that'll surely have an effect. But your "on the field" performance always does.

However, if we're talking about intangibles like NIL v. successful record of putting QBs in the League, then i'm confident the former might be real, but the latter isn't. No one has the secret sauce for producing NFL QBs.

 

[GATTACA!]

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[arahop]

Why is the player’s cut only 10%?

Just coming up with a hypothetical situation.
I think elite players will have more value to their name than most of the arbitrary numbers I see people throwing out there.
Read an article today about what value Ryan Day thinks it would cost to keep his team.



This article came up with 13Mil in OSUs case.
2 mil for Elite QBs and 1 mil for Elite edge rushers

Ryan Day puts an NIL price tag on what he thinks it will take to keep Buckeyes roster together

Meeting with local business leaders, Ryan Day predicts the magic figure he thinks Ohio State is going to need in the coffers to keep their roster together.

footballscoop.com

 

[stlnd01]

My main point is that depth matters. It’s not a shoot for the moon and land amongst the star situation. But you need solid kids to compete. I’m happy with 1 4 star every year. Going all in on a 5 and settling for a 3 is worse than going all in on a 5 and a 4 and getting at least a 4 if that kid wants you more. I don’t believe you go all in and dig your way back up to a 4. The opp cost of all in on a 5 is a 4 star miss. A 3 star QB is a waste to me.

Book was a three-star QB. Rees was a three-star QB. Those were two of the most successful Notre Dame quarterbacks of the last 15 years. Jack Coan was also a three-star QB when he committed to Wisconsin. He won a Rose Bowl and nearly led us to the playoffs.
I agree there's a ceiling to where a three-star can take this program. But three-stars are not "a waste." Much depends on the player involved.

I think it's fine to rotate high-star elite QB recruits with three-stars who'll stick around. Sometimes they even turn out to be the better football player.

 

[arahop]

Book was a three-star QB. Rees was a three-star QB. Those were two of the most successful Notre Dame quarterbacks of the last 15 years. Jack Coan was also a three-star QB when he committed to Wisconsin. He won a Rose Bowl and nearly led us to the playoffs.
I agree there's a ceiling to where a three-star can take this program. But three-stars are not "a waste." Much depends on the player involved.

I think it's fine to rotate high-star elite QB recruits with three-stars who'll stick around. Sometimes they even turn out to be the better football playe

Book was a three-star QB. Rees was a three-star QB. Those were two of the most successful Notre Dame quarterbacks of the last 15 years. Jack Coan was also a three-star QB when he committed to Wisconsin. He won a Rose Bowl and nearly led us to the playoffs.
I agree there's a ceiling to where a three-star can take this program. But three-stars are not "a waste." Much depends on the player involved.

I think it's fine to rotate high-star elite QB recruits with three-stars who'll stick around. Sometimes they even turn out to be the better football player.

Which is why need that first 5 star. Those 3 stars weren't beating the big boys. If we ever have "dreams of ND running out of the tunnel in the sunshine" as a National Champion, We NEED an elite 5 star QB

 

[Irish'15]

Which is why need that first 5 star. Those 3 stars weren't beating the big boys. If we ever have "dreams of ND running out of the tunnel in the sunshine" as a National Champion, We NEED an elite 5 star QB

I think we might already have one. Nobody that I can think of in CFB can run and pass quite like Tyler Buchner.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Also, why are you so high on Avery?

Vizzinia is a better camp/game time QB anyway and likely en route to a possible 5 star soon.
If anything, I would think you'd be going for him based on your own qualifications.

Also, Jackson Arnold wanted to come to ND and was turned down too...also a better QB (arguably) than Avery.

I can tell you for a fact Jackson Arnold did not want to come here and was turned down. ND would have accepted his commitment, we just didnt get him. He committed to OU before ND went all in for Dante.

 

[Irish'15]

I can tell you for a fact Jackson Arnold did not want to come here and was turned down. ND would have accepted his commitment, we just didnt get him. He committed to OU before ND went all in for Dante.

We as ND fans are making some very big and false assumptions about QB's in the '23 class. It's quite strange. Fact is Rees has had a hard time recruiting elite QB's. Dante could change all that, but I personally doubt he lands him. It was the same with Vizzina. Everyone said he was an ND lock if ND wanted him. Not true at all. They say it about Johnson. Not true either. What I can say is that with likely a T5 recruiting class, #7 last year, and likely another T5 or T10 class next year, and promise of early playing time, it's is utterly absurd that we don't have a 5 star QB knocking on Tommy Rees's door. Unbiased, if I were a 5 star QB in the '24 class, I would be all over ND. It's no wonder Carr and Sayin are highly interested.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think Vizzina and Moore are the two highest ceiling and essentially equal in “rank” if I was going to rank national QBs. Arnold it’d have the smallest tier below in talent but he has a natural “It” to him that naturally is attractive in a QB. That brings that all about equal in my book as what I would be happy with @ ND. To me it’s Stroud (Moore) versus Corral (Arnold) versus Jurkovec with actual arm talent (Vizzina). If they all break the right way you can’t go wrong. Vizzina maybe a hair over Moore if we consider the ND offense and possible lack of WR talent but that problem could be addressed by then, hopefully.

This is my line of thinking as well. I really would've been content taking either of them which ever wanted in first. I guess that just shows how much higher the staff views Moore. Hope it don't end up biting us in the ass

 

[Irish'15]

CJ Carr is back at Notre Dame this weekend to throw for Rees. I still don't know if it's wise to go all in on a 5 star QB that lives 50 feet from The Big House, is Jim Harbaugh's and the entire Michigan fan base's most important recruit, with the last name "Carr".

 

[Sea Turtle]

Smooth sailing ahead.

 

[Irish#1]

CJ Carr is back at Notre Dame this weekend to throw for Rees. I still don't know if it's wise to go all in on a 5 star QB that lives 50 feet from The Big House, is Jim Harbaugh's and the entire Michigan fan base's most important recruit, with the last name "Carr".

No better way to "F@ck Michigan" than to take their recruits. Hurts even more with a kid named Carr.

 

[Irish'15]

I like CJ Carr a lot. Don't get me wrong. I just don't want to get burned. Also, I like Sayin better. I heard the staff is weary about height due to Pyne. However, Sayin is NOT Drew Pyne. Any move besides take the first to commit is a bad move without a '23 commit.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Smooth sailing ahead.

I’m probably going to be flamed for this. But….. are you playing for us or are you for real.

 

[NorthDakota]

This line of thinking is straight up wrong, just because there are flops in the 5 star range it's undeniable that the hit rate for college and NFL success is higher on a progressive rate as you get further down the rankings.

You want Mahomes? Great you can take the rest of the QB's they have gotten at the mid/high 3 star range and see how that works out.

Yeah we get what...a handful of 5 star kids max at QB any given year?
Then a bunch of 4 star kids.
Then a ton of 3 star kids.
Then the guys who don't even get there.

NDSU is an anomaly in many ways but pumped out 3 consecutive NFL QBs....2 in the top 3 picks. Should ND have went after Carson Wentz or Trey Lance? Absolutely fucking not. ND and the blue bloods absolutely do the right thing. ND has just happened to have bad luck in recruiting the position since Jimmy. Sooner or later we'll rip off 2-3 great ones.

 

[Blazers46]

96 more posts until 3000!!!

 

[Irish#1]

96 more posts until 3000!!!

I see you're not a math major.