Russia Invades Ukraine

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Lol. So on point. That’s not all I got and I don’t care to convince you of anything as it won’t happen. I could tell you that Ukraine has been having corruption issues truly because Russia kept interfering and installing puppet leaders but you won’t care that that is who Biden rooted out as you put it. You won’t care that Ukraine has significant geopolitical importance that Russia has been undermining ever since they agreed to let Ukraine go but you won’t care. I’m not going to go into with you.You won’t care that Trump stopped the aid to Ukraine for extortion and Zelensky didn’t play along. Now he is standing up to Putin which makes me think that is why it was in Putins interest along with disparaging NaTO and weakening Zelensky and Ukraine. Pointless. Believe me or not I don’t care. If you want to disagree with my point that there is a fringe minority of Americans that support Putin and Russian aims and the way they do business. Cool. IDC. Good for you I guess. I’ll take my assessment from people like the former US ambassador to UKraine, Fiona Hill and Vindman.

I’ll just leave this here

TL;DR i don't read block paragraphs. From personal experience its generally conspitorial stuff.

Congrats on being the lamest broken dude ever. Homeboy can't even spell the Ukraine leader name right. Lol
 
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Anyone aware of the situation with Russias seat on the UNSC? Seeing a lot about how after the USSR dissolved Russia just took its seat. I don’t think it was ever formally codified, at least what I’m seeing but IDK.
Lol this was confirmed over 20 years ago, it's solid. However! It is an interesting bit of history/mechanisms of the UN to see how it was "decided" that Russia would inherit the Soviet Union's seat on the council. I just read this excellent thread on r/AskHistorians this past weekend:
 

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Don’t think she is left though lol Democrat maybe. She did just speak at CPaC this week

Said it once and I'll say it a thousand times, Gabbard is a snake in the grass. Her dad switched from Republican to Democrat because he was tired of losing races. What an embarrassment.
 

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This article analyzes Putin's state of mind including some intelligence on his recent interpersonal behavior with his inner circle.

On the one hand I'm skeptical that this info would get out to the media, but the Pentagon has been using transparency as a weapon in this conflict. Anyway, an interesting read: Frustrated Putin may order escalation of violence in Ukraine, U.S. officials say
My thoughts on how this plays out:

Russia is going to go old school and run a siege. They're going to force Ukraine to bend the knee. A Russian slaughter would guarantee Putin pariah status. A semi-peaceful overthrow gives Russia a way to reestablish its connection to the West. This is business, not personal.
 

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Lol this was confirmed over 20 years ago, it's solid. However! It is an interesting bit of history/mechanisms of the UN to see how it was "decided" that Russia would inherit the Soviet Union's seat on the council. I just read this excellent thread on r/AskHistorians this past weekend:

Thanks. Just learned today that Russia currently occupies the rotating chair on Security Council. I’m guessing the timing of this and the invasion are purely coincidental.
 
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Likewise. I’m not seeing that at all. I’m seeing damn near unanimous condemnation of Russia. It’s as unified as I have ever seen this country since 9/11 - more, really, even, which is another topic…. 😐
I've seen quite a bit of state support for Ukraine in Indiana being mentioned on the news. South Bend has an area lit in the Ukraine's colors, Carmel is doing something similar. IU students held a rally and there was one in Indy over the weekend. There were other symbolic gestures. Those are just the ones that I remember off the top of my head.
 

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NBC article talks about Putin and how he does not appear to be the same guy he was a few years ago. He's now arguing regularly with his staff since things aren't going as easy as he thought. U.S. officials expect an increase in the violence. Maybe he is going through some organic change? I still wouldn't shed a tear if someone took him out. If that happened, you might see Russia leave Ukraine in record time.

What has impressed me most is how all of countries, companies and individuals have responded quickly to show Putin he is wrong. Liquor stores not selling Russian vodka, Facebook and Twitter removing propaganda accounts, Google Pay & Apple Pay stop working in Russia, soccer preventing Russia from participating, etc..
 

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NBC article talks about Putin and how he does not appear to be the same guy he was a few years ago. He's now arguing regularly with his staff since things aren't going as easy as he thought. U.S. officials expect an increase in the violence. Maybe he is going through some organic change? I still wouldn't shed a tear if someone took him out. If that happened, you might see Russia leave Ukraine in record time.

What has impressed me most is how all of countries, companies and individuals have responded quickly to show Putin he is wrong. Liquor stores not selling Russian vodka, Facebook and Twitter removing propaganda accounts, Google Pay & Apple Pay stop working in Russia, soccer preventing Russia from participating, etc..

21st century geopolitical cancel culture actually doing some good for a change. Haha.

I've read, over the last two Covid-filled years, Putin isolated himself so much that he's become more unhinged, paranoid, and psychotic. Lots of reports claiming he's just not the same guy. Which should be terrifying. He's essentially allowed himself to get into a lose-lose situation.

Regarding someone taking him out; I wouldn't be shocked. The Russian oligarchs are getting hit hard where it counts the most; their bank accounts. There are already a couple speaking out against this invasion in a public manner. There is also a massive protest from Russian civilians. Could these people ultimately revolt? Is there a special op plan to get them weapons that help ignite a war within Russian that takes down Putin? (kidding here...sorry Rackem haha)

I'm hopeful that other countries don't deploy actual military tactics and instead use aid that essentially has the same result without potentially triggering a world war.

I'm not well educated on geopolitics, so this is my superficial drive by response.
 
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Agrees on how awesome it is how quickly the world has denounced these actions in every day ways.

I think what still kind of bothers me though is we have the opportunity to cut the head off the snake and we are not doing it. Stopping the import of Russian oil both here and abroad would be an immediate game changer. I am sure under the circumstances if the US and other oil producing nations ramped up production we could bridge the gap until this tumbles down on Putins head and he is removed from power by whatever means necessary. At the end of the day, when it comes to climate change etc, does it really matter of the oil is drilled in Russia, Camada, the Us or wherever else? Especially when it is all making its way into our cars and other fuel consuming mechanisms anyhow. If it stopped the killing of innocent people immmediately, in my opinion it is worth revising policy decisions and making adjustments even if only in the short term to get things under control over there.

I know for me, I figure gas is going to keep going up in the short term either way so I’d rather it not be financing Russias war in the meantime.

If China wants to prop Russia’s failing economy up, I say we make then extend the resources to do it in a BIG way, and I dont think Putin would be able to justify a country saying “we dont want your oil anymore” as a declaration of war. I mean he would probably try, but I dont think he would find much support from other countries on that either.
 

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Is there a special op plan to get them weapons that help ignite a war within Russian that takes down Putin?

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Cack, you're off in SO many ways here, conflating completely different issues. Criticizing Ukraine's political corruption in the past is in no way support for Putin invading them. Finding a very, very, small number of vocal nutjobs does not a national movement make. Saying something positive about somebody doesn't mean you support all their behaviors.

You REALLY have a tendency to stretch, exaggerate, shoehorn, and fudge minor, inconsequential acts into something they're not if it supports your agenda or paints someone you don't like in a poor light, regardless of whether it's accurate at all. Please stop. You don't have to like Trump or the GOP or anyone else, but enough of the intellectually dishonest baloney.
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NBC article talks about Putin and how he does not appear to be the same guy he was a few years ago. He's now arguing regularly with his staff since things aren't going as easy as he thought. U.S. officials expect an increase in the violence. Maybe he is going through some organic change? I still wouldn't shed a tear if someone took him out. If that happened, you might see Russia leave Ukraine in record time.

What has impressed me most is how all of countries, companies and individuals have responded quickly to show Putin he is wrong. Liquor stores not selling Russian vodka, Facebook and Twitter removing propaganda accounts, Google Pay & Apple Pay stop working in Russia, soccer preventing Russia from participating, etc..

Agreed. Something is going to change permanently coming out of this…. Not sure what yet. Not sure good or bad yet, but we won’t be going back to the same same world on the other side of this…
 

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Their propaganda is shockingly bad. Like literally no one with half a brain believes this to be true. "We're committing war crimes against civilians to stop genocide."
 

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Seems like game over.


maybe round 1 is over, but those people aren’t giving up. youre right this probably means the Russian occupation of Kyiv and the major cities now, but the quagmire hasn’t even begun yet. Western allies will be overtly and covertly funneling weapons into the resistance to fight a proxy war and Russia will perpetually be fighting the same guerilla war we always get ourselves into… Nothing is over, really.
 
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Either:
1. All of Europe/US leaders are spineless and short sighted.
2. There is back channeling that they want to declare a "successful" military operation and then GTFO.

I wouldn't trust #2, and I think it's probably #1. Boris Johnson saying "we can't establish a no fly zone because that'll bring us into direct conflict with Russia." ....OK? Kennedy could've said the same thing when he put a blockade in front of Cuba. But he didn't. He knew you show strength not weakness if you want results.
 

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maybe phase 1 over, but those people aren’t giving up. youre right this probably means the Russian occupation of Kyiv and the major cities now, but the quagmire hasn’t even begun yet. Western allies will be overtly and covertly funneling weapons into the resistance to fight a proxy war and Russia will perpetually be fighting the same guerilla war we always get outselves into… Nothing is over, really.

Sadly rolling over and showing fear to the world's bully just devastated a whole country of 41 million. People just lost everything they had and will have for absolutely nothing. Anyone thinking Putin stops with Ukraine is an absolute moron. He wants nothing less than the resurrection of the Soviet Union.
 

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Sadly rolling over and showing fear to the world's bully just devastated a whole country of 41 million. People just lost everything they had and will have for absolutely nothing. Anyone thinking Putin stops with Ukraine is an absolute moron. He wants nothing less than the resurrection of the Soviet Union.

Errr, yeah, ok…. Not sure what that has to do with my comment…. But thanks for quoting me, I guess…
 

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NBC article talks about Putin and how he does not appear to be the same guy he was a few years ago. He's now arguing regularly with his staff since things aren't going as easy as he thought. U.S. officials expect an increase in the violence. Maybe he is going through some organic change? I still wouldn't shed a tear if someone took him out. If that happened, you might see Russia leave Ukraine in record time.

What has impressed me most is how all of countries, companies and individuals have responded quickly to show Putin he is wrong. Liquor stores not selling Russian vodka, Facebook and Twitter removing propaganda accounts, Google Pay & Apple Pay stop working in Russia, soccer preventing Russia from participating, etc..

If/when we have to deal with Chinese aggression in the future, I'm hoping that there can be similar principled response. My gut tells me there probably won't be given the larger financial hit that countries and companies would have to bear.
 

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If/when we have to deal with Chinese aggression in the future, I'm hoping that there can be similar principled response. My gut tells me there probably won't be given the larger financial hit that countries and companies would have to bear.

You are probably right, but a Taiwan economic disruption is probably more significant than what's going on in Ukraine. They make 90% of the global computer chips-- and we know the issues we are already having with supply chain because of that.
 

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You are probably right, but a Taiwan economic disruption is probably more significant than what's going on in Ukraine. They make 90% of the global computer chips-- and we know the issues we are already having with supply chain because of that.
America really needs to get back to making things themselves and not penny pinching for everything.
 

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Their propaganda is shockingly bad. Like literally no one with half a brain believes this to be true. "We're committing war crimes against civilians to stop genocide."


To be fair there are a lot of Americans that really thought we were doing Iraq a favor by invading and occupying them.
 
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