'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[fightingirish26]

man, this clown ..someone on twitter wrote he is solid right now to ND but don't be surprised if he ended up elsewhere w/ quoted UTenn offer to which he LIKED it...listen not into oh well this is what it is like w/ the big dogs etc...but the man just committed what a month or 2 ago and then liking this stuff...just saying these don't usually end up turning out for us

He probably likes every tweet he's mentioned in, no sure that warrants calling a 17 yo a clown.

 

[Free Manera]

There is no way to discern whether a recruit's tweets mean nothing or something. I would say 95% are nothing more than trying to drive up their followers and social media presence which can be huge for NIL purposes.

 

[TP81989]

man, this clown ..someone on twitter wrote he is solid right now to ND but don't be surprised if he ended up elsewhere w/ quoted UTenn offer to which he LIKED it...listen not into oh well this is what it is like w/ the big dogs etc...but the man just committed what a month or 2 ago and then liking this stuff...just saying these don't usually end up turning out for us

The only clown is someone who keeps track of what a teenager likes on Twitter and is on a message board whining about it.

You should take a second and think about how embarrassing that is.

 

[PANDFAN]

Not whining...just comical hence I used the word CLOWN...obviously there could be many reasons as to why he liked it and that's fine....HOWEVER as a message board you know, things get discussed...it happened to catch my eye as i follow a bunch of ND stuff and i don't even follow him....not embarrassing at all..... just saying buckle up because recruiting battles are now going to go to the very end instead of the last couple of years of minimal drama

 

[T-Boone]

The only clown is someone who keeps track of what a teenager likes on Twitter and is on a message board whining about it.

You should take a second and think about how embarrassing that is.

That’s just someone who is passionate about college football and wants to win a natty and knows how it’s done. Following recruiting is half the fun/frustration. What’s your deal?

 

[IrishBoognish]

That’s just someone who is passionate about college football and wants to win a natty and knows how it’s done. Following recruiting is half the fun/frustration. What’s your deal?

Whether you like it or not, calling someone a clown is a value/character judgment.

Making a value/character judgement after you tracked a 16/17 year olds likes on twitter dot com is silly.

Pandafan is a good poster. But the critique is warranted.

Don't level insults at a child for silly reasons. That's not controversial.

 

[T-Boone]

Whether you like it or not, calling someone a clown is a value/character judgment.

Making a value/character judgement after you tracked a 16/17 year olds likes on twitter dot com is silly.

Pandafan is a good poster. But the critique is warranted.

Don't level insults at a child for silly reasons. That's not controversial.

Yeah the clown comment is a bit rough.
But the post I responded to was saying it is embarrassing to follow a recruits twitter comments. I totally disagree with that.
Fans are hanging on whether the 5 star player is committed or not because it is important as to whether we could win a title over the next few years. I'd def check out Keeley tweets if I could get the goss on whether he is locked in or not. It saves listening to 15 minutes podcasts of rumors from men who make money off following players tweets.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Yeah the clown comment is a bit rough.
But the post I responded to was saying it is embarrassing to follow a recruits twitter comments. I totally disagree with that.
Fans are hanging on whether the 5 star player is committed or not because it is important as to whether we could win a title over the next few years. I'd def check out Keeley tweets if I could get the goss on whether he is locked in or not. It saves listening to 15 minutes podcasts of rumors from men who make money off following players tweets.

Oh absolutely!!!

Its free info!

Now... Engaging with a minor on social media, I think, is way over the line. The amount of full grown men yelling their school preferences and arguing bullshit on a kid's TL is weird.

Lobbing insults at a minor for very passive things such as "liking" a comment theyre mentioned in... also not good.

I know social media makes all this a little hard... but its really not that hard.

 

[TP81989]

Yeah the clown comment is a bit rough.
But the post I responded to was saying it is embarrassing to follow a recruits twitter comments. I totally disagree with that.
Fans are hanging on whether the 5 star player is committed or not because it is important as to whether we could win a title over the next few years. I'd def check out Keeley tweets if I could get the goss on whether he is locked in or not. It saves listening to 15 minutes podcasts of rumors from men who make money off following players tweets.

Following a recruit's twitter isn't an issue.

Calling the kid a clown because of a like is definitely embarrassing though.

 

[benneboy]

I'm sure there are other examples of this but openly recruiting, making graphics, and coming hard after one of our commits feels blatantly disrespectful and a taking off of the gloves.

 

[benneboy]

I'm sure there are other examples of this but openly recruiting, making graphics, and coming hard after one of our commits feels blatantly disrespectful and a taking off of the gloves.

I'd say we should retaliate but I don't want anyone in their class.

 

[ndfi78]

I'm sure there are other examples of this but openly recruiting, making graphics, and coming hard after one of our commits feels blatantly disrespectful and a taking off of the gloves.

wut. This is standard stuff in recruiting...

 

[Luckylucci]

 

[DONTH8]

My parents live in Prosper. I will have my dad head over with the bag of founding fathers.

 

[T-Boone]

Is that silver at his school event ? Or is it state or some such?

 

[BobbyMac]

Can we draw the line somewhere?

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Apparently he has visited OU a few additional times than what’s been widely reported.

 

[Reaper97]

It’s funny that ND fans said things are going to change with Freeman and how he was so much better than BK.
Half the ND class had taken visits elsewhere since committing to Freeman. That didn’t happen under BK.

 

[IrishRazor82]

It’s funny that ND fans said things are going to change with Freeman and how he was so much better than BK.
Half the ND class had taken visits elsewhere since committing to Freeman. That didn’t happen under BK.

That's because our class is actually great and heavy on early, elite commits. No one would be recruiting who BK would have committed at this point.

We'd be talking about how our 3-star was a diamond in the rough and surprised no one's after him. Then he'd turn out Lawrence Keys.

 

[Dale]

It’s funny that ND fans said things are going to change with Freeman and how he was so much better than BK.
Half the ND class had taken visits elsewhere since committing to Freeman. That didn’t happen under BK.

So you’d rather not have Bowen at all than have him committed but taking visits?

 

[IrishLion]

It’s funny that ND fans said things are going to change with Freeman and how he was so much better than BK.
Half the ND class had taken visits elsewhere since committing to Freeman. That didn’t happen under BK.

That's because our class is actually great and heavy on early, elite commits. No one would be recruiting who BK would have committed at this point.

We'd be talking about how our 3-star was a diamond in the rough and surprised no one's after him. Then he'd turn out Lawrence Keys.

Yeah, you're going to have some drama and some swings-and-misses late in the game that leave you with holes, but ultimately you're still going to have a greater number of elite recruits overall based on the guys you are able to hold on to (or land on NSD).

It's actually pretty similar to how BK recruited between 2011-2013 when ND was flirting with elite classes... but then BK got tired of getting burned, so he changed the operation. And it worked!

But if Freeman can continue to swing for the fences AND use some of those lessons BK learned about fit/projection, it should be a net positive, hopefully in a big way.

 

[IrishRazor82]

But what you do see with what MF has done in his 5 minutes here, is keep offering. I don't know the numbers/names but other than QB, it seems like we've offered plenty of WRs if/when Tate goes to OSU, plenty of DEs if Keon goes to UF, we're all over Caleb Downs who's not a backup plan but would actually be an upgrade over Bowen if we lost him, etc.

This is exactly what you want - elite up front to build momentum but still recruiting other greats. It sucks getting emotionally attached to an elite commit knowing they might not be here but welcome to the big leagues, it's not always smooth.

 

[NDdomer2]

That's because our class is actually great and heavy on early, elite commits. No one would be recruiting who BK would have committed at this point.

We'd be talking about how our 3-star was a diamond in the rough and surprised no one's after him. Then he'd turn out Lawrence Keys.

Didn't all to most of these guys commit when BK was still HC?

I think a lot of schools post implementation of the ESP came up with no visits after committing type "rules".

Then COVID hit and these kids hadn't got to see almost any other schools. That forced some change in tactics on accepting commitments/allowing visits.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Didn't all to most of these guys commit when BK was still HC?

Yeah, and they're all on defense for Marcus Freeman. He was already deploying his strategy on one side of the ball.

 

[NDdomer2]

Yeah, and they're all on defense for Marcus Freeman. He was already deploying his strategy on one side of the ball.

You got me before I added some context.

I'm not saying he isn't a catalyst.

But it's not ALL MF. We've had elite players before him and they were a mix of additional visits or none after committing.

I still think there's some post COVID impact.

These kids missed a whole year of camping and visiting other schools.

BK learned some tough lessons over the years and MF will too. If that's losing early committed kids we'll see how he's able to pivot to other options.

 

[irishog77]

You got me before I added some context.

I'm not saying he isn't a catalyst.

But it's not ALL MF. We've had elite players before him and they were a mix of additional visits or none after committing.

I still think there's some post COVID impact.

These kids missed a whole year of camping and visiting other schools.

BK learned some tough lessons over the years and MF will too. If that's losing early committed kids we'll see how he's able to pivot to other options.

This is all true.

Another thing to consider may also be that the entire staff (coaches, analysts, support, etc.) have all been around college football though. Burnt Ends didn't invent recruiting at the college level or at ND (and I know you're not claiming he did). I think it's relatively safe to assume that the staff, in totality, have developed strategies and contingencies- some perhaps from Burnt Ends himself for getting kids committed, keeping them committed, and having back up plans if some do bow out.

At least I'm really hoping this is all the case. If so, I think ND will still finish the cycle higher and objectively better than a Burnt Ends-led signing class.

 

[Luckylucci]

Texas A&M 247 site confirmed that he's visit the Aggies next weekend.

Top247 S planning to visit

Top247 S planning to visit

247sports.com

 

[NDIrish88]

At what point does the staff start taking commits from others while he and Rhett are still committed?

Do you do that or string others along/flip when you need to?

I'd rather the staff just take 6 DBs now and see what happens.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

At what point does the staff start taking commits from others while he and Rhett are still committed?

Do you do that or string others along/flip when you need to?

I'd rather the staff just take 6 DBs now and see what happens.

There is no perfect solution to this. This is why it's such a precarious position and difficult to manage. There are so many variables at play and I don't offer a solution. I just hope they have contingencies built in and the follow the script consistently.

 

[Luckylucci]

Even though Bowen and Keeley are committed, you have to treat them like BPA’s. They’ll have spots no matter what and it’s just 2 players. Take an extra S and an extra DE, if they want in, we’ll be able to find spots for 2 BPA’s at the end of every cycle. Now, you can’t do that with every position but we won’t need too. Plenty of positions will get worked out earlier than that.