COVID-19

[PerthDomer]

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Those are hamsters. Covid causes systemic inflammation which can also cause lung damage. This seems to evade some aspects of innate immunity as well. As I said it's probably less deadly than delta, just the reduction is less than the paper estimates. Additionally delta is between 2 and 2.5 times more deadly than the initial Wuhan strain. So this is still in all likelihood worse than OG covid and perhaps alpha.

 

[ulukinatme]

Those are hamsters. Covid causes systemic inflammation which can also cause lung damage. This seems to evade some aspects of innate immunity as well. As I said it's probably less deadly than delta, just the reduction is less than the paper estimates. Additionally delta is between 2 and 2.5 times more deadly than the initial Wuhan strain. So this is still in all likelihood worse than OG covid and perhaps alpha.

FWIW I'm basically over Omicron now. Never had shortness of breath at any point, no lung issues at all, so I'd believe it if testing shows this variant is less likely to infect lung cells. Symptoms overall were pretty light.

 

[PerthDomer]

FWIW I'm basically over Omicron now. Never had shortness of breath at any point, no lung issues at all, so I'd believe it if testing shows this variant is less likely to infect lung cells. Symptoms overall were pretty light.

The real issue with omicron is it's going to do its damage and find every unvaccinated person quickly. The issue isn't individual if you're vaccinated, but systemic hospital strain. If half the cases happen in a quarter of the time it's rough. Ditto when it knocks out a large portion of the Healthcare force. After mid Feb it will burn out and the pandemic will be over, short of a doomsday variant.

 

[irishff1014]

The real issue with omicron is it's going to do its damage and find every unvaccinated person quickly. The issue isn't individual if you're vaccinated, but systemic hospital strain. If half the cases happen in a quarter of the time it's rough. Ditto when it knocks out a large portion of the Healthcare force. After mid Feb it will burn out and the pandemic will be over, short of a doomsday variant.

This is the dumbest comment I have read on the board in a while. I am dispatching ems units and riding the ambulance and people that have fully vaccinated and had their boosters are testing positive as much if not more than than unvaccinated in our area.

 

[PerthDomer]

This is the dumbest comment I have read on the board in a while. I am dispatching ems units and riding the ambulance and people that have fully vaccinated and had their boosters are testing positive as much if not more than than unvaccinated in our area.

Testing positive and needing the hospital for covid? The icu's are full of unvaccinated people with covid and organ transplants with covid whose vaccines didn't take. Numbers from NY UK and Denmark bear out this is an issue for unvaccinated people.

 

[Irishize]

Testing positive and needing the hospital for covid? The icu's are full of unvaccinated people with covid and organ transplants with covid whose vaccines didn't take. Numbers from NY UK and Denmark bear out this is an issue for unvaccinated people.

Sounds like Biden should’ve purchased more Evusheld for the organ transplants if they’re filling up the ICUs. That drug was specifically granted EUA for immunosuppressed patients but they purchased only 10% of the actual amount needed.

 

[ulukinatme]

The real issue with omicron is it's going to do its damage and find every unvaccinated person quickly. The issue isn't individual if you're vaccinated, but systemic hospital strain. If half the cases happen in a quarter of the time it's rough. Ditto when it knocks out a large portion of the Healthcare force. After mid Feb it will burn out and the pandemic will be over, short of a doomsday variant.

I'm unvaccinated though, and certainly higher risk given that I'm overweight, although I'm relatively young at 39. I never felt like my life was in danger and that I needed to go to the hospital. Granted it's one case and everyone gets affected differently, but from what we've seen and heard this variant just doesn't seem to come with the serious complications past strains have had. It's spreading like wildfire for sure, but with a lower threat level. If future strains are similar I think we'll see less panic and things might settle back down. The bigger problem right now are idiots like the ones in Vermont who are vaccinated and asymptomatic, yet they're clogging up ERs for no apparent reason. That boggles the mind.

 

[PerthDomer]

I'm unvaccinated though, and certainly higher risk given that I'm overweight, although I'm relatively young at 39. I never felt like my life was in danger and that I needed to go to the hospital. Granted it's one case and everyone gets affected differently, but from what we've seen and heard this variant just doesn't seem to come with the serious complications past strains have had. It's spreading like wildfire for sure, but with a lower threat level. If future strains are similar I think we'll see less panic and things might settle back down. The bigger problem right now are idiots like the ones in Vermont who are vaccinated and asymptomatic, yet they're clogging up ERs for no apparent reason. That boggles the mind.

It's roughly as deadly as the Wuhan strain at the lower ends of estimates. In South Africa those admitted with delta and omicron in this wave were equally likely to need the icu or die. The difference is everyone had been either vaccinated or infected previously.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I'm unvaccinated though, and certainly higher risk given that I'm overweight, although I'm relatively young at 39. I never felt like my life was in danger and that I needed to go to the hospital. Granted it's one case and everyone gets affected differently, but from what we've seen and heard this variant just doesn't seem to come with the serious complications past strains have had. It's spreading like wildfire for sure, but with a lower threat level. If future strains are similar I think we'll see less panic and things might settle back down. The bigger problem right now are idiots like the ones in Vermont who are vaccinated and asymptomatic, yet they're clogging up ERs for no apparent reason. That boggles the mind.

Not knocking you but why is everyone so quick to take a months worth of data onOmicron seriously and dispel more than a years worth of vaccine data?

 

[PerthDomer]

Not knocking you but why is everyone so quick to take a months worth of data onOmicron seriously and dispel more than a years worth of vaccine data?

What concerns me about this is many in society still don't get how pandemics work. The Wuhan strain had a roughly 0.6% mortality rate (higher when hospitals overwhelmed, before we knew how to treat it). Delta was 1.4%. The hospital admissions had about a 10% mortality rate, so even for delta only 10% of infected needed the hospital. For many the infection was mild. If we got hit by delta initially we'd be turning elderly people away from the hospital because it spreads faster (higher peak) and puts twice the people in the hospital. But the average unvaccinated person probably does fine and feels like they have a mild flu

If we had a coronavirus twice as deadly as delta, the average person not going to the hospital could feel the same way about it because they'd still be likely to be fine.

We got hit by a category 2 pandemic. I shudder to think how society would deal with a category 4 pandemic. We saw the exact same anti public health stuff crop up in the Spanish Flu. Pandemics confuse the hell out of people.

 

[ulukinatme]

Not knocking you but why is everyone so quick to take a months worth of data onOmicron seriously and dispel more than a years worth of vaccine data?

I think the vaccine is still a good course of action, especially if you're high risk. I didn't get it for personal reasons, I just got spooked with all the blot clot stuff given how I've been feeling since this pandemic began. Every day I'm reading some rare case where someone died days after getting their shot due to unforeseen cardiovascular issues, it's like a red flag for a guy like me with borderline high blood pressure and some mild chest pains over the last two years. They're rare cases when you consider the overall majority being fine, but it sticks in your craw after awhile and it's hard to shake. I was kinda hoping I could continue to dodge an infection until the newly approved anti-viral medication his pharmacies, only to pickup Omicron. It honestly wasn't bad at all, so I do kinda hope for the population as a whole this is a weaker variant as some studies have suggested.

 

[PerthDomer]

I think the vaccine is still a good course of action, especially if you're high risk. I didn't get it for personal reasons, I just got spooked with all the blot clot stuff given how I've been feeling since this pandemic began. Every day I'm reading some rare case where someone died days after getting their shot due to unforeseen cardiovascular issues, it's like a red flag for a guy like me with borderline high blood pressure and some mild chest pains over the last two years. They're rare cases when you consider the overall majority being fine, but it sticks in your craw after awhile and it's hard to shake. I was kinda hoping I could continue to dodge an infection until the newly approved anti-viral medication his pharmacies, only to pickup Omicron. It honestly wasn't bad at all, so I do kinda hope for the population as a whole this is a weaker variant as some studies have suggested.

MRNA vaccines aren't linked to blood clots... and the ones that are are primarily related to women. Your chance of myocarditis with covid is much higher than with the vaccine as well.

 

[irishff1014]

Testing positive and needing the hospital for covid? The icu's are full of unvaccinated people with covid and organ transplants with covid whose vaccines didn't take. Numbers from NY UK and Denmark bear out this is an issue for unvaccinated people.

I don't know where you live but in our area we have a lot of vaccinated people in admitted to the hospital too. And yes they are in the ICU as well. The problem is there is a stomach bug going around right now as well. So the older population thinks they need to go to the hospital and they don't.

One thing i see in our area and happened to me is the Primary care doctors are dropping the ball. They won't see you if you have covid symptoms so you either go to the er or walk ins. I had bronchitis early November. I have had it severe times before and i know how it feels when it's coming on. My primary sid they couldn't see me due to having covid like symptoms. So i go to the local walk in wait wasn't to bad because i registered on line nad told them my doc wouldn't see me because of the symptoms and they laughed. She said we are hearing that a lot any more.

People need to understand that ER's are for Emergency's. Not stubbed toes, not because you are just feeling bad and don't want to wait till tomorrow for a walk in or your doc,.

 

[PerthDomer]

I don't know where you live but in our area we have a lot of vaccinated people in admitted to the hospital too. And yes they are in the ICU as well. The problem is there is a stomach bug going around right now as well. So the older population thinks they need to go to the hospital and they don't.

One thing i see in our area and happened to me is the Primary care doctors are dropping the ball. They won't see you if you have covid symptoms so you either go to the er or walk ins. I had bronchitis early November. I have had it severe times before and i know how it feels when it's coming on. My primary sid they couldn't see me due to having covid like symptoms. So i go to the local walk in wait wasn't to bad because i registered on line nad told them my doc wouldn't see me because of the symptoms and they laughed. She said we are hearing that a lot any more.

People need to understand that ER's are for Emergency's. Not stubbed toes, not because you are just feeling bad and don't want to wait till tomorrow for a walk in or your doc,.

Looking at every city that normalizes vaccinated admissions vs unvaccinated it's pretty staggering. Especially when you factor in the average vaccinated person being older and sicker than unvaccinated. I work in PICU and have seen a number of kids admitted for covid. I haven't yet seen a vaccinated one show up in the icu.

 

[Domer Dude]

Got Omicron and nearing the end. Have all three shots with your average cold like symptoms.

The kicker is we have been pretty good at staying away from masses and such. Kid had an event. I was by myself not within 20 feet of people in a near empty 10,000 seat arena when an anti-vaxxer Russian parent came up and started shooting the the $hit. Shortly into the conversation said caught covid a couple of days ago but not feeling the symptoms now (3rd day) so came to event. 3 days later it was my turn. Both of us had masks about 3 feet apart.

Its not if but when folks. Stay safe...

 

[ulukinatme]

Got Omicron and nearing the end. Have all three shots with your average cold like symptoms.

The kicker is we have been pretty good at staying away from masses and such. Kid had an event. I was by myself not within 20 feet of people in a near empty 10,000 seat arena when an anti-vaxxer Russian parent came up and started shooting the the $hit. Shortly into the conversation said caught covid a couple of days ago but not feeling the symptoms now (3rd day) so came to event. 3 days later it was my turn. Both of us had masks about 3 feet apart.

Its not if but when folks. Stay safe...

This shit pisses me off. If you know you're sick, stay the fuck away from the public. I'm pretty sure I got Omicron at my son's wrestling event too. I had been pretty careful up to that point, but I decided to help push a lady's van that was stuck in the mud. There were three other guys helping out, and that's when I decided to go without my mask of course.

Something similar happened to a family friend during football season. She was sitting with another kid's mother and the lady had been coughing up a storm all game. She later admitted, "I probably have COVID." Spoiler: she did. She ended up giving COVID to my friend, and that poor lady is high risk at it is. She's had two strokes, she's a smoker, and a bit overweight. Her doctor at the time was telling her not to get the shot because of her previous medical history. In any case, I ended up picking her up at an Urgent Care after she didn't have a ride back home. She had to get a breathing treatment her case was so bad, and the symptoms were up and down for a month. I was probably lucky I didn't catch it then when she was in the car, but she was in a tight spot and I feel for her and her family. Point is...for fuck's sake, quarantine yourself if you think there's the slightest chance you have COVID until you know otherwise. That's what I did, and no one in my family managed to catch it.

Glad that you're nearing the end, hopefully you'll be back to 100% soon.

 

[irishff1014]

This shit pisses me off. If you know you're sick, stay the fuck away from the public. I'm pretty sure I got Omicron at my son's wrestling event too. I had been pretty careful up to that point, but I decided to help push a lady's van that was stuck in the mud. There were three other guys helping out, and that's when I decided to go without my mask of course.

Something similar happened to a family friend during football season. She was sitting with another kid's mother and the lady had been coughing up a storm all game. She later admitted, "I probably have COVID." Spoiler: she did. She ended up giving COVID to my friend, and that poor lady is high risk at it is. She's had two strokes, she's a smoker, and a bit overweight. Her doctor at the time was telling her not to get the shot because of her previous medical history. In any case, I ended up picking her up at an Urgent Care after she didn't have a ride back home. She had to get a breathing treatment her case was so bad, and the symptoms were up and down for a month. I was probably lucky I didn't catch it then when she was in the car, but she was in a tight spot and I feel for her and her family. Point is...for fuck's sake, quarantine yourself if you think there's the slightest chance you have COVID until you know otherwise. That's what I did, and no one in my family managed to catch it.

Glad that you're nearing the end, hopefully you'll be back to 100% soon.

It’s like any other contagious illness stay home. And care if you are vaccinated or not it’s just common respect.

 

[Irish#1]

Got Omicron and nearing the end. Have all three shots with your average cold like symptoms.

The kicker is we have been pretty good at staying away from masses and such. Kid had an event. I was by myself not within 20 feet of people in a near empty 10,000 seat arena when an anti-vaxxer Russian parent came up and started shooting the the $hit. Shortly into the conversation said caught covid a couple of days ago but not feeling the symptoms now (3rd day) so came to event. 3 days later it was my turn. Both of us had masks about 3 feet apart.

Its not if but when folks. Stay safe...

JFC..........If they knew, at a minimum they should have kept to themselves.

I have a dude that works for me and he's a close talker, like less than two feet from my face. I can't tell you how many times I've had to tell him to back off. Some people just don't get it.

 

[IrishLax]

Got Omicron and nearing the end. Have all three shots with your average cold like symptoms.

The kicker is we have been pretty good at staying away from masses and such. Kid had an event. I was by myself not within 20 feet of people in a near empty 10,000 seat arena when an anti-vaxxer Russian parent came up and started shooting the the $hit. Shortly into the conversation said caught covid a couple of days ago but not feeling the symptoms now (3rd day) so came to event. 3 days later it was my turn. Both of us had masks about 3 feet apart.

Its not if but when folks. Stay safe...

That is totally whack. I would be so pissed off.

 

[notredomer23]

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[Domer Dude]

That is totally whack. I would be so pissed off.

This person was a walking tape track for the anti-vax movement on loop. Couldn't talk about Covid without some sort of rhetoric.

Spouse now has it - in the lungs but has had 3 shots. Yes we are pissed.

 

[Irish#1]

This person was a walking tape track for the anti-vax movement on loop. Couldn't talk about Covid without some sort of rhetoric.

Spouse now has it - in the lungs but has had 3 shots. Yes we are pissed.

Hope it doesn't get serious.

 

[NDPhilly]

Austria will now be mandating vaccines for all adults with the penalty being ~$4,000 each time a person is found to have not complied, maxing at about $12,000 per year. These mandates also apply to boosters which must be administered every 6 months..

Italy and Greece have also began mandates on older portions of the population.

https://www.politico.eu/article/aust...om-february-1/

 

[IrishLax]

We've been pretty clear that political shitposting isn't what this thread is for. We understand that it's impossible to detangle politics from some COVID news, for example Philly posting about Austria's law. But there's a clear line between that and posting strictly political polls from a political site or calling one of the two major parties in this country Nazi like or posting a COVID bingo card to mock another group.

As always, free to post that content or whatever else you want in the politics subforum. Go wild.

 

[ulukinatme]

Feel free to move those posts to the Politics thread, my above response included. I tend to open all threads in my notifications and respond one by one, I don't look at what forum I'm in when I reply.

 

[IrishLax]

Feel free to move those posts to the Politics thread, my above response included. I tend to open all threads in my notifications and respond one by one, I don't look at what forum I'm in when I reply.

Yeah it's no biggie. I just soft deleted them for now because I'm on my phone, can relocate them later. It's not like anyone was doing something out of bounds we just try to keep politics off the front page as a rule.

 

[PerthDomer]

New study out from France showing that for teens 1 dose of MRNA vaccines reduces MISC by 90% and 2 doses eliminates it. That plus reduction of severe disease makes the risk benefit clear enough for schools to make the COVID vaccine part of the mandatory vaccine series soon.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787495

 

[TorontoGold]

New study out from France showing that for teens 1 dose of MRNA vaccines reduces MISC by 90% and 2 doses eliminates it. That plus reduction of severe disease makes the risk benefit clear enough for schools to make the COVID vaccine part of the mandatory vaccine series soon.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787495

I'm curious on the studies relating to the Omicron variant, I've read that it's hitting children harder? Is that something you've seen in studies or am I wrong?

 

[yankeehater]

Israel is usually ahead of the game. Here is the reporting on the 4th dose study becoming less effective against Omnicron. Not sure where to find their actual study.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...nds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/

 

[irishog77]

New study out from France showing that for teens 1 dose of MRNA vaccines reduces MISC by 90% and 2 doses eliminates it. That plus reduction of severe disease makes the risk benefit clear enough for schools to make the COVID vaccine part of the mandatory vaccine series soon.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787495

So get the vaccine for kids, but not the booster?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/18/who...children-adolescents-need-covid-boosters.html