Bowl Game - Anyone else sitting out?

[Wild Bill]

Sorry but I dont agree with any of this. These persons have developed mental and physical abilities and skill sets that are in demand and can generate personal wealth. They leverage their abilities and skills to earn income just like anyone else would in any other professional setting. Its no different from a real estate tycoon being savy and snapping up properties and buying and selling properties or flipping properties to amass wealth or a person who creates companies and creates jobs then sells them to venture capitalist's for a nice pay day. They have a skill set and abilities that have value in this market and yet we congratulate the American capitalist living the American dream but demonize these kids for doing EXACTLY what society has told them to do and shown them how to do it. Their path is conscripted through the ranks of college football for at least three years after HS. There is no other currently valid and promising pathway to their desired profession. No different than some wall street trading wannabe having to fight and claw their ways into top tier internships at Morgan Stanley just to get their foot into Wall Street.

The real problem is that CFB has been romanticized and the ugly reality of recruiting and non-payment for their skills is being uprooted. It doesn't hurt me whatsoever that these individuals did their time and have their goal in sight and make a selfish choice to ensure that becomes a reality. We all have done it and will do it more in our own lives.

Nobody is DEMONIZING these guys for making money. Well, maybe someone is but it's not me. I'm not sure I would compare them to venture capitalists but if that's the comparison you want to make, it only drives my point home further. I think it's safe to assume that neither you nor the masses are out here celebrating a venture caplitalist lining his pockets.

They're not conscripted. These guys have access to the best facilities, best coaches, best trainers, get a free education and live like God's on campus in exchange for their service. If that's not suitable, they can piss off and play in canada, sue the nfl or spend three years training for the combine. This was always the good reason given for "change" but now that change is here we can stop acting like these players are suffering through the process.

This really doesn't impact me on an individual level either but it's going to negatively impact CFP. That's just one man's opinion.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Nobody is DEMONIZING these guys for making money.

There is plenty of demonization and judgment here and elsewhere by a great many people.

I'm not sure I would compare them to venture capitalists but if that's the comparison you want to make, it only drives my point home further. I think it's safe to assume that neither you nor the masses are out here celebrating a venture capitalist lining his pockets.

I guess shows like Shark Tank are watched because people hate to see the drama associated with pitching an idea and selling it off for a but load of money ( or not). They are engaging in the "free" market economy and right or wrong people act like they are doing something contrary to that... its crazy to me. Your point you are making is basted in an appeal to emotion. Im not worried about how other people feel about these individuals self directed decisions.

They're not conscripted. These guys have access to the best facilities, best coaches, best trainers, get a free education and live like God's on campus in exchange for their service. If that's not suitable, they can piss off and play in canada, sue the nfl or spend three years training for the combine. This was always a good reason given for "change" but now that change is here we can stop acting like these players are suffering through the process.

I have not once implied they are suffering and Im certainly not ACTING like it but the reality is that if you want to play professionally in the NFL, the primary and absolute best and most prepared way to achieve that is to do you MANDATED 3 years after HS in the collegiate circuit. Sure I could have taught myself all the mathematics and science need to do my engineering job but it the primary and most societally approved way for me to achieve that goal was to get an ABET accredited degree from a proper learning institution.

This really doesn't impact me on an individual level either but it's going to negatively impact CFP. That's just one man's opinion.

Again, CFB is romantic. It has been romanticized and this new paradigm is challenging that but lets not act like it all of a sudden occurred. It hasnt. Big time tv contracts, billions of dollars a year in merchandising and booster money flow through the institutions for decades. Again its emotional for people and I get it but Im not going demonize or judge a kid for taking an opportunity because it hurts my fee fees.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Wipe out the transfer portal and put some type of ground rules on NIL and everything will be fine.

People judging player's character for skipping an exhibition game is silly. You can not like it, but moralizing it is ludicrous.

The transfer portal is legit making things unreasonable for assembling a football team. We can't have unrestricted money and unrestricted free agency at the same time. Thats untenable.

Skipping a bowl game to protect your future? lolz.

 

[ab2cmiller]

It would be more like getting a promotion that takes affect in 4-6 months and then telling your co-workers that you can't help them with the projects that your team is working on because you have to prepare for your new position coming up and you can't afford to make a crucial mistake that might affect said position.

Well it would be one project. It all comes down to interpretation on how important the bowl game (hypothetical "project") is viewed. If you view the bowl game as equally important as the regular season or if you view it as an "exhibition".

A person who views it as an exhibition would then insert that into your hypothetical and say it's like someone getting a promotion that takes effect in 4-6 months and then telling their co-workers you can't help them with one "practice" project that your team is working on. If it's a practice project, nobody would give a crap.

The truth of how people view the bowl games is probably somewhere in between.

 

[phork]

These players have everything to lose and nothing to gain from playing in meaningless bowl games. Do you think Picketts team mates are going to pay his multimillion dollar salary if he blows his arm or leg out? Nope. When players start sitting out of the playoffs is when I'll be concerned. Until then it doesnt matter. Non-playoff bowls died the year the BCS was created, everyone knew it was headed this way in order to crown a true national champion. The genie is out of the bottle.

 

[Free Manera]

I feel like I’m watching boomers argue politics in Facebook comments.

You aren’t gonna convince the other side to change their mind bros.

Truth is in the middle as always. Everyone acts in self interest.

For some that interest is being committed to a cause and being a team player. That’s what makes them tick and feel good.

For others the interest is financial. That’s what makes them tick and feel good.

Neither one is right or wrong. Both are just human.

 

[Greenore]

I think I understand both sides of the issue. I rarely watch NFL because it has been monopolized by money and greed... just my opinion.

I've loved college football. Quit watching the NHL and MLB many years ago.

College football is changing and honestly, they are going to lose guys like me as viewers. I get it... it generates big revenue and the players deserve a piece, I thought scholarships were pretty sweet compensation. Seems like College football is heading towards "NFL Lite". Great for about 300 athletes a year but shitty for the rest of the players and supporters.

Any thoughts?

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[dublinirish]

I think I understand both sides of the issue. I rarely watch NFL because it has been monopolized by money and greed... just my opinion.

I've loved college football. Quit watching the NHL and MLB many years ago.

College football is changing and honestly, they are going to lose guys like me as viewers. I get it... it generates big revenue and the players deserve a piece, I thought scholarships were pretty sweet compensation. Seems like College football is heading towards "NFL Lite". Great for about 300 athletes a year but shitty for the rest of the players and supporters.

Any thoughts?

Cheers and Go Irish!!

lol and you watch CFB?

 

[TorontoGold]

I think I understand both sides of the issue. I rarely watch NFL because it has been monopolized by money and greed... just my opinion.

I've loved college football. Quit watching the NHL and MLB many years ago.

College football is changing and honestly, they are going to lose guys like me as viewers. I get it... it generates big revenue and the players deserve a piece, I thought scholarships were pretty sweet compensation. Seems like College football is heading towards "NFL Lite". Great for about 300 athletes a year but shitty for the rest of the players and supporters.

Any thoughts?

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Surely has nothing to do with Kipper and Iggy leaving CGY?

 

[IrishRazor82]

The inequity here is that you can get a full ride, free food and lodge, and now NIL money guaranteed and in return, you play for said team. But it's not week by week one side honors the contract regardless and another can opt out at the end while still getting full benefits.

It's not perfectly fair and there's nothing unethical about player's opting out on their end, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. I know no one cares about that anymore but it's true. For as much as people bellyache about the NCAA, they really do take care of these players with little commitment back.

 

[Greenore]

lol and you watch CFB?

I am delusional and an altruist!

Also, I'm realizing, I'm an idiot.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Greenore]

Surely has nothing to do with Kipper and Iggy leaving CGY?

March 27th/28th, 2013. I was heading to Maui with the family and largely minding my own business. Had just heard the news and thought it was good for him (he deserved a cup). As I'm sitting at a news stall in YYC, a bunch of kids come running up to where I's sitting looking for autographs. I'm happy to oblige but didn't realize Jerome was sitting next to me on his way to Pitt. After the masses cleared we had a bit of a conversation for less than 5 minutes. He's one of the good guys.

Toronto has done well by Calgary misfires. Gilmour... if you believe the rumors and Phaneuf. The Freight Train is one of my favorite D's. Controversial but special.

Actually, years ago, I was a fan of the Blackhawks, Flyers, Minnesota North Stars and LA Kings... Marcel Dionee, Luc Robitaille, etc.

I used to hate Calgary like Satan's kiss. They have grown on me. Likely proximity?

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Greenore]

Surely has nothing to do with Kipper and Iggy leaving CGY?

Also, and I'm not going to name names... and you don't have to believe me... I had a couple friends that got drafted early in the first round for the NHL, Good for them because they were among the least educated people I have ever met. I think, collectively, they played 5 or 6 games in the NHL... a crap load in the AHL! One went on to realize his mistakes and attitude problems. In fact. he did a "tell all" in a Vancouver newspaper that should be a cautionary tale to a lot of young athletes. The other? No idea. I was talking to his Dad a couple months ago and apparently.... he is lost but has several AHL records. What now?

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Rudy89]

Do the players who opt out still travel with the team to the bowl? Do they still stay on the sidelines during the game and get the free swag that comes with bowl participation? If their team wins the bowl do they get a ring or watch commemorating the win?

I disagree with players doing this. I understand their position but I’m just the sort of person that feels you owe it to your team to finish the mission of the season so to speak. If you do opt out that’s ok and your call but I really hope you aren’t getting the trip, the extra bowl curricular activities, and definitely not getting a ring if the team does win the game you feel the need to not participate in.

 

[NDRock]

Do the players who opt out still travel with the team to the bowl? Do they still stay on the sidelines during the game and get the free swag that comes with bowl participation? If their team wins the bowl do they get a ring or watch commemorating the win?

I disagree with players doing this. I understand their position but I’m just the sort of person that feels you owe it to your team to finish the mission of the season so to speak. If you do opt out that’s ok and your call but I really hope you aren’t getting the trip, the extra bowl curricular activities, and definitely not getting a ring if the team does win the game you feel the need to not participate in.

They quit the team. Their decision and I understand but don't think they are participating in any team activities. I could be wrong though.

 

[BeatSC]

Go make that money but I will respect the player who sticks by his teammates and plays in that bowl game. Character is a part of the draft prospects resume and I think it says alot about the player as a future teammate to stand by his fellow brothers and slug it out. Hard to dollarize that sort of selfless act but there is something to be said about Picket, Kyren, Hamilton and Walker taking the higher road and playing. Will will route for them as ND players in the pros but won’t cry if they drop in the draft either ……

man it is getting tough to coach college football in todays environment.

 

[ND87]

One angle not really being discussed much...

The coaches often talk about the non-playoff bowl game(s) as "additional practices" etc.

If guys are leaving for the NFL, the team & staff need to work towards next season anyway.

Just as adjustments needed to be made after Kyle went down, we'd need to rejigger for a future w/o Kyren. While I'd love to see him play another game, cuz he's fun to watch, I'm equally jazzed about getting Tyree and Diggs and perhaps some we haven't seen so much but on whom we'll rely next fall some more snaps. Non CFP game is perfect.

 

[Irish#1]

Do the players who opt out still travel with the team to the bowl? Do they still stay on the sidelines during the game and get the free swag that comes with bowl participation? If their team wins the bowl do they get a ring or watch commemorating the win?

I disagree with players doing this. I understand their position but I’m just the sort of person that feels you owe it to your team to finish the mission of the season so to speak. If you do opt out that’s ok and your call but I really hope you aren’t getting the trip, the extra bowl curricular activities, and definitely not getting a ring if the team does win the game you feel the need to not participate in.

They’re not practicing, but Freeman already said they are welcome to travel with the team.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

One angle not really being discussed much...

The coaches often talk about the non-playoff bowl game(s) as "additional practices" etc.

If guys are leaving for the NFL, the team & staff need to work towards next season anyway.

Just as adjustments needed to be made after Kyle went down, we'd need to rejigger for a future w/o Kyren. While I'd love to see him play another game, cuz he's fun to watch, I'm equally jazzed about getting Tyree and Diggs and perhaps some we haven't seen so much but on whom we'll rely next fall some more snaps. Non CFP game is perfect.

It’s been talked about plenty and many people just don’t care. Non playoff bowl games are simply just extra practices, gift bags, swag and a minimal payout. If people leave for the league want to sit out then use these practices to get extra experience and snaps to guys who will be their next year.

The romanticized part of it is pretty much confined to the fans and whatever they do to enjoy bowl season during the holidays. I imagine it is quite different for the coaches and players who have to actually play the game. I’d bet it’s a bit more functional and much less romantic

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They’re not practicing, but Freeman already said they are welcome to travel with the team.

Yeah they are still on the team lol. People act like they quit and just walk away. Smh

 

[NDRock]

Yeah they are still on the team lol. People act like they quit and just walk away. Smh

I don’t know, seems like when you say you’re done practicing and playing, you’ve quit.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don’t know, seems like when you say you’re done practicing and playing, you’ve quit.

You should probably check with the team before making this determination. I’d bet the team would disagree with you. Would be interesting to find that out though.

I for one will put my personal disappointment away and let those who know these guys much better than I ever will to judge whether or not they quit on the team.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Nobody's demonizing these guys for sitting out but you don't get your cake and eat it too. No way they should be practicing with the team and taking reps from underclassmen who'll actually be playing and need the experience. Let them warm up, lift, all of that with the team. But when it comes to reps and position work, no way Kyren or Kyle should be taking a snap from anyone.

Really don't know how this is even controversial.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Nobody's demonizing these guys for sitting out but you don't get your cake and eat it too. No way they should be practicing with the team and taking reps from underclassmen who'll actually be playing and need the experience. Let them warm up, lift, all of that with the team. But when it comes to reps and position work, no way Kyren or Kyle should be taking a snap from anyone.

Really don't know how this is even controversial.

It’s my understanding they arent practicing but can travel with the team and by all accounts are still a part of the team? Who said they were taking snaps and practicing?

 

[Rudy89]

They’re not practicing, but Freeman already said they are welcome to travel with the team.

Freeman is a better man than me in that case.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I don’t know, seems like when you say you’re done practicing and playing, you’ve quit.

Does anyone have any info if they have hired an agent? Is that not like the 'end-all' ? Or is it just the declaring for the draft?

Still wish it was like NCAA Baseball rules.....

 

[BeatSC]

Are they going to be in the locker room? Will someone else be given their captain status for the game?

Well I say no swag bag for them. They will have to go buy their gameboy with their own money now…..

 

[bumpdaddy]

It’s my understanding they arent practicing but can travel with the team and by all accounts are still a part of the team? Who said they were taking snaps and practicing?

They are not practicing. MF doesn't consider them part of the team. He is calling them "former players." Not as a dig but just stating it as fact. He said they will be welcome on the sideline for the Fiesta Bowl and that the team loves those guys.

 

[dublinirish]

as far as i know neither of them are allowed around the team/practice but can travel to the bowl game

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They are not practicing. MF doesn't consider them part of the team. He is calling them "former players." Not as a dig but just stating it as fact. He said they will be welcome on the sideline for the Fiesta Bowl and that the team loves those guys.

I havent seen that quote from MF so I'll take your word for it. My point was that these guys are in good standing with the team and its not like they said " fuck yall I'm out" and its all acrimonious and shit.