COVID-19

[RDU Irish]

Sorry - you lost me on the Dan Rather full quote. What a fucking loser he is, so amazed he has any following whatsoever. So humble to think he can speak for the nation too.

Such hyperbole, people need to chill out and try minding their own damn business. Move to Australia.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Sorry - you lost me on the Dan Rather full quote. What a fucking loser he is, so amazed he has any following whatsoever. So humble to think he can speak for the nation too.

Such hyperbole, people need to chill out and try minding their own damn business. Move to Australia.

Ah, the syndrome presents itself!!

The true hallmark of emotional intelligence is to recognize that

people we like and enjoy and are sympatico with

can say and do dumb, dangerous stupid things.

and, as a corollary

People we dislike and despise and with whom we would never be sympatico

can say and do smart, incisive helpful things


that can help us and our families

And emotional midgets never get it.
\
but occasionally they self-identify and self label
thankfully.

 

[RDU Irish]

Boobby, this has all been debunked in the prior 15 pages.

The "get early treatment" for those with at least one wrinkle on their brain is getting vaccinated, to suggest otherwise is *insert ban-able name calling*

Wrong - Step one is don't be fat. If you are not abiding by this then you deserve to be denied treatment - your rules not mine. You have had 18 months, no excuses fatty.

Bobby is 100% correct that early treatment is pitiful, why are so many so quick to discount anything in between vaccine and ventilators? The "vax or bust" tripe is tiresome virtue signaling - I know this b/c natural immunity gets no respect.

 

[NDdomer2]

Wrong - Step one is don't be fat. If you are not abiding by this then you deserve to be denied treatment - your rules not mine. You have had 18 months, no excuses fatty.

Bobby is 100% correct that early treatment is pitiful, why are so many so quick to discount anything in between vaccine and ventilators? The "vax or bust" tripe is tiresome virtue signaling - I know this b/c natural immunity gets no respect.

wouldnt early treatment also equate to working out regularly and eating a healthy diet? America don't care about early treatment only individuals do.

 

[RDU Irish]

Ah, the syndrome presents itself!!

The true hallmark of emotional intelligence is to recognize that

people we like and enjoy and are sympatico with

can say and do dumb, dangerous stupid things.

and, as a corollary

People we dislike and despise and with whom we would never be sympatico

can say and do smart, incisive helpful things


that can help us and our families

And emotional midgets never get it.
\
but occasionally they self-identify and self label
thankfully.

This thing all things devours;

Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;

Gnaws iron, bites steel;

Grinds hard stones to meal;

Slays king, ruins town,

And beats mountain down.

Precious!!!!!

 

[Trait Expectations]

This is a total straw-man. Just because some people decided to do something stupid and take horse level dosages of Ivermectin, which is toxic/overdoses, has nothing to do with the safety and efficacy of FDA approved Ivermectin used for humans prescribed by doctors at safe and effective dosage levels.

Do you think doctors have been giving patients horse level dosages of Ivermectin for decades as an anti-parasitic drug? Or could it be that they have been prescribing Ivermectin safely and effectively?

Never mind the studies (many Peer-Reviewed,), like below, on the efficacy of Ivermectin as both a Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19, especially in early treatment applications where people rarely end up in the hospital or ICU on a ventilator. To suggest Ivermectin, along with a solid number of other therapeutics, are not at least as effective, if not more effective than a vaccine, is simply not accurate. (Other therapeutics include inhaled steroids Budesonide/Albuterol, Regeneron, HCQ, etc.). My soapbox for over a year now has been "Where is the "GET EARLY TREATMENT" promotion campaign on the national, state and local level from the medical community and governments? BEFORE you can't breath 1-3 weeks after infection.

"Conclusions: Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified."

IVERMECTIN
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34375047/ (same info on NIH.GOV site, National Library of Medicine)

REGENERON
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/healt...ion/index.html
https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events...s/default.aspx
"Supported by pivotal Phase 3 data showing 81% reduced risk of symptomatic infections in close contacts of SARS-CoV-2 infected individuals."

INHALED STERIODS
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8040526/
"Early administration of inhaled budesonide reduced the likelihood of needing urgent medical care and reduced time to recovery after early COVID-19."

HCQ
https://c19hcq.com/
​​​​​​"Database of all HCQ COVID-19 studies. 341 studies, 249 peer reviewed, 278 comparing treatment and control groups. HCQ is not effective when used very late with high dosages over a long period (RECOVERY/SOLIDARITY), effectiveness improves with earlier usage and improved dosing. Early treatment consistently shows positive effects."

Lol. Ok Bobby. Go back to lambasting those people in your camp. You fuckin people keep touting these drugs as "wonder drugs". First it was hydrochloroquinone, now it's Ivermectin. The people with too small of an IQ to think critically, (spoiler alert: the majority of which reside in your camp), are dumb enough to buy and consume equine doses of a medication touted by your compatriots. You think these geniuses woke up one day and figured out Ivermectin was the best prophylactic drug out there? Or did they hear how it's "the safest drug ever" and "the best prophylactic secret covered up by big pharma in the history of history".

It's amazing how these sensationalized podcasts and media figures tout this shit over and over and over and then act like it's on the consumer afterward. "Caveat emptor" is all you hear while poisonings are surging due to this stupid-ass advice.

Bobby, what's the longest prophylactic dose someone can take ivermectin before side effects? Are we suggesting people should take Ivermectin for the next year to reduce COVID chances? 2 years? 6 months? Just during the surges? All of the rest of your findings have been debunked countless times.

I've read a lot of what has been posted from "your side" of the discussion. I wonder how much you've read from mine? I'm guessing I know the answer.

 

[tussin]

1. Get the vaccine if you want the best protection from COVID.
2. Dan Rather is a self-important boob.

 

[RDU Irish]

repost

 

[Rogue219]

Dude - I haven't made it through one of your posts since you joined. When did they give the sandwich board guys on the street corner internet?

This is saying something.

 

[Rogue219]

Sorry - you lost me on the Dan Rather full quote. What a fucking loser he is, so amazed he has any following whatsoever. So humble to think he can speak for the nation too.

Such hyperbole, people need to chill out and try minding their own damn business. Move to Australia.

So you're chilling out by telling others you don't agree with to move to another country. Makes complete and total sense.

Austrailia. Christ, don't threaten me with a good time.

 

[tussin]

So you're chilling out by telling others you don't agree with to move to another country. Makes complete and total sense.

Austrailia. Christ, don't threaten me with a good time.

Rogue, you have no idea how many of my first-responder friends have called me today to tell me how much more appreciated they feel now that Dan Rather, the old guy who hosted the news in the early-2000s, wrote an apology to the healthcare system on behalf of America.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

My wife has to quarantine at home because of exposure to someone with Covid at work.

 

[Rogue219]

Rogue, you have no idea how many of my first-responder friends have called me today to tell me how much more appreciated they feel now that Dan Rather, the old guy who hosted the news in the early-2000s, wrote an apology to the healthcare system on behalf of America.

Thank you for letting me me. So where are you telling me to move, New Zealand?

Are first responder friends like black friends in terms of post pandemic credibility currency?

 

[IrishLax]

Cleaned up posts from Browner, Toronto, and Bobby that were overly political or argumentative. Again, as of a few weeks ago we are emphasizing conduct in this thread. Fine to post in good faith whatever you want, not fine to roll around in the mud like angry piglets when you have a different opinion. If you want to do that, have it out in the Politics section. Post whatever you want there. Godspeed.

 

[RDU Irish]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/8246386002

G’day mates.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Interesting article that talks about declining efficacy of the vaccines over time. For me the most interesting part was the conclusion that by around the 4 month mark (post fully vaccinated), the AstraZeneca (and presumably the Johnson & Johnson) vaccine will be outperforming the Pfizer vaccine because of the AstraZeneca vaccine is not loosing efficacy at a very rapid rate.

Tomas Hanke, professor of vaccine immunology at Oxford’s Jenner Institute, speculated that the AstraZeneca shot generates longer-lasting immunity because its spike protein sticks around for more time, promoting a bigger immune response.

“When you deliver RNA, like the Pfizer vaccine, you deliver a finite number of mRNA molecules which are eventually cleared from the system,” he said. “But when you deliver the adenovirus, as AstraZeneca does, you deliver a template which then keeps producing these mRNAs that then produce the spike protein, so there’s no ceiling.”

I'm assuming that this study along with other studies and what is happening in Israel is the reason the government made plans for the 8 month booster for Pfizer and Moderna but declined to include Johnson and Johnson at the time. I'm assuming that at some point it gets rolled in as well, but that wasn't the immediate concern.

As the experts have continued to point out, even though there is a decline in efficacy, all of the vaccines seem to be doing well in preventing hospitalization and death.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/thomas_m_wilson/status/1428283393553354754[/TWEET]

 

[Irish#1]

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul promised more government transparency on her first day in office and by day’s end her administration had quietly delivered it by acknowledging nearly 12,000 more deaths in the state from COVID-19 than had been publicized by her predecessor, Andrew Cuomo.

New York now reports nearly 55,400 people have died of COVID-19 in New York based on death certificate data submitted to the CDC, up from about 43,400 that Gov. Cuomo had reported to the public as of Monday, his last day in office.

"We’re now releasing more data than had been released before publicly, so people know the nursing home deaths and the hospital deaths are consistent with what’s being displayed by the CDC," Hochul said Wednesday on MSNBC. "There’s a lot of things that weren’t happening and I’m going to make them happen. Transparency will be the hallmark of my administration."

 

[Irishize]

Haven’t heard from many of the Cuomo defenders in a long while.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Regarding the vaccines and long term efficacy. Robert Gallo has noted that the difficulty in generating long term immunity from HIV seems to be related to the HIV spike protein being glycosylated (Sugars attached to the protein). They have generated many vaccines that promote a robust immunologic response but the response does not seem to be lasting. COVID has a glycosylated protein spike. It is well documented that covid survivors can be reinfected. So it is not surprising the vaccines efficacy wanes with time. I suspect this will be true of all COVID vaccines. There are currently no alternatives.

 

[PerthDomer]

Regarding the vaccines and long term efficacy. Robert Gallo has noted that the difficulty in generating long term immunity from HIV seems to be related to the HIV spike protein being glycosylated (Sugars attached to the protein). They have generated many vaccines that promote a robust immunologic response but the response does not seem to be lasting. COVID has a glycosylated protein spike. It is well documented that covid survivors can be reinfected. So it is not surprising the vaccines efficacy wanes with time. I suspect this will be true of all COVID vaccines. There are currently no alternatives.

Pneumoccocus is covered in carbohydrate. We have good vaccines for it. HIV is really hard to make a vaccine for in large part because it mutates so quickly. We also have several vaccines that have multiple steps in the series to get to full immunity.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Envelope of pneumococcus has carbohydrate. We have a spleen to recognize it because it is camouflaged. Bottom line people who have had covid can get reinfected. Immunity will not be like polio. That being said, get vaccinated, wear a mask, socially be responsible. This is not going away. I suspect, arguments about vaccination, mask wearing and such will soon be mute as it will be mandated by employers and businesses. Don’t be the last on this train you will feel quite foolish

 

[NDPhilly]

Got banned from r/nfl for “disinformation” after stating that the vaccines wane over time and breakthrough cases would continue regardless of players vaccine status. Very cool.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Regarding the vaccines and long term efficacy. Robert Gallo has noted that the difficulty in generating long term immunity from HIV seems to be related to the HIV spike protein being glycosylated (Sugars attached to the protein). They have generated many vaccines that promote a robust immunologic response but the response does not seem to be lasting. COVID has a glycosylated protein spike. It is well documented that covid survivors can be reinfected. So it is not surprising the vaccines efficacy wanes with time. I suspect this will be true of all COVID vaccines. There are currently no alternatives.

If the cellular topography for Covid is the same or similar as HIV we may never get a true vaccine for Covid. I didn’t know this and that’s concerning to me to know this.

 

[Valpodoc85]

This is Robert Gallos take. Really bright guy but murcurial

 

[tussin]

Envelope of pneumococcus has carbohydrate. We have a spleen to recognize it because it is camouflaged. Bottom line people who have had covid can get reinfected. Immunity will not be like polio. That being said, get vaccinated, wear a mask, socially be responsible. This is not going away. I suspect, arguments about vaccination, mask wearing and such will soon be mute as it will be mandated by employers and businesses. Don’t be the last on this train you will feel quite foolish

Neither businesses nor society writ large will support any extended mask mandates. The science is hardly compelling for mask mandates period, let alone for the vaccinated. No one will “feel foolish” for not wearing a mask when the risk of death for the vaccinated is ~1,500/160M.

Get the vaccine, live your life. It’s incredibly simple.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Businesses nor society writ large will support any extended mask mandates. The science is hardly compelling for mask mandates period, let alone for the vaccinated. No one will “feel foolish” for not wearing a mask when the risk of death for the vaccinated is ~1,500/160M.

Get the vaccine, live your life. It’s incredibly simple.

Regarding masks... im not sure I buy that assessment. The effectiveness of masks is very much determined on many factors such as materials used, how its used, duration and several others things. I'd think, much like in most medical uses, if maskes were made consistently of the right stuff and consistently and properly used as intended the science would be much clearer. But instead, you have poeple wearing gators which (I beleive) have been shown to likely make it worse or the person half wearing any type of mask or donning an uncomfortable heavy piece of thick cloth.... Hard to draw any real conclusions on these variables and applying it writ large to properly used and properly constructed masks specifcally designed to stop the spreade of a flu type virus.

 

[tussin]

Regarding masks... im not sure I buy that assessment. The effectiveness of masks is very much determined on many factors such as materials used, how its used, duration and several others things. I'd think, much like in most medical uses, if maskes were made consistently of the right stuff and consistently and properly used as intended the science would be much clearer. But instead, you have poeple wearing gators which (I beleive) have been shown to likely make it worse or the person half wearing any type of mask or donning an uncomfortable heavy piece of thick cloth.... Hard to draw any real conclusions on these variables and applying it writ large to properly used and properly constructed masks specifcally designed to stop the spreade of a flu type virus.

I do agree, but reality on the ground is that there likely isn't a feasible way to implement a mandate while ensuring adherence with proper PPE. This is why there hasn't been a mask mandate globally that has had a statistically significant effect on the trajectory of the disease (to my knowledge). Any individual who wants to take it upon themselves to religiously wear a KN95 all day, more power to them IMO.

This is why the policy on masking is so frustrating to me. Infeasibility of adherence, lack of overall effectiveness of masking policies, public availability of vaccines, and mortality rates to the vaccinated make masking mandates illogical (anywhere, but especially in schools).

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I do agree, but reality on the ground is that there likely isn't a feasible way to implement a mandate while ensuring adherence with proper PPE. This is why there hasn't been a mask mandate globally that has had a statistically significant effect on the trajectory of the disease (to my knowledge). Any individual who wants to take it upon themselves to religiously wear a KN95 all day, more power to them IMO.

This is why the policy on masking is so frustrating to me. Infeasibility of adherence, lack of overall effectiveness of masking policies, public availability of vaccines, and mortality rates to the vaccinated make masking mandates illogical (anywhere, but especially in schools).

I share your frustrations here. I'd like to think that the proven track record of properly designed masks for public use would hav ealleviated this issue, instead of what we currently have which is a hodge podge of whatever is available.

 

[Irishize]

I do agree, but reality on the ground is that there likely isn't a feasible way to implement a mandate while ensuring adherence with proper PPE. This is why there hasn't been a mask mandate globally that has had a statistically significant effect on the trajectory of the disease (to my knowledge). Any individual who wants to take it upon themselves to religiously wear a KN95 all day, more power to them IMO.

This is why the policy on masking is so frustrating to me. Infeasibility of adherence, lack of overall effectiveness of masking policies, public availability of vaccines, and mortality rates to the vaccinated make masking mandates illogical (anywhere, but especially in schools).

I think where I’ve seen the greatest pushback on mask wearing is with kids in school as several studies have shown the benefits do not outweigh the risks.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

 

[ab2cmiller]

I think where I’ve seen the greatest pushback on mask wearing is with kids in school as several studies have shown the benefits do not outweigh the risks.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

Even though I'm skeptical of overall benefit in the classroom, I'd be OK with mask mandates in high school and maybe even middle school. From what I've read, my personal opinion is that mask mandates for kids in elementary school are almost useless.