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I'm afraid our country is too dumb to gain control over the virus with vaccines. A large contingency of our population straight up rejects science. There may not be a more effective pharmaceutical on the market to prevent serious disease and death and yet...here we are...with many states still struggling with around half of the population vaccinated. The data is glaringly obvious, but people instead latch on to some bullshit story they heard on Facebook. Anger has started to set in for me. For many health care professionals, it's anger, or sadness, or exhaustion. Previously healthy 30 or 40 somethings are dying every day in our local hospitals, the overwhelming majority unvaccinated. Covid is a preventable disease, at least severe covid. I wish stupidity were.
 

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This is why it’s important to combat disinformation:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ovid-amid-spike?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Mississippi health officials are warning residents against using ivermectin, a horse dewormer medication, to treat COVID-19 infections at home amid a spike in poisoning calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center.

The Mississippi Department of Health sent a letter out to to the MS Health Alert Network on Friday warning health professionals of the spike in poisonings from individuals digesting ivermectin.

"At least 70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers," the letter stated.
 

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I'm afraid our country is too dumb to gain control over the virus with vaccines. A large contingency of our population straight up rejects science. There may not be a more effective pharmaceutical on the market to prevent serious disease and death and yet...here we are...with many states still struggling with around half of the population vaccinated. The data is glaringly obvious, but people instead latch on to some bullshit story they heard on Facebook. Anger has started to set in for me. For many health care professionals, it's anger, or sadness, or exhaustion. Previously healthy 30 or 40 somethings are dying every day in our local hospitals, the overwhelming majority unvaccinated. Covid is a preventable disease, at least severe covid. I wish stupidity were.

Your post made me nauseous.

Not because it was errant or ill-timed; au contraire.

You speak in "inconvenient truths."

a country "too dumb to gain control over the virus with vaccines."

And the KNOWNOTHINGS on science.

My own anger is tempered by empathy for the overworked, hitherto underappreciated health care workers.

But thank you for your post.

And thank you for speaking unvarnished truth.

Let your light shine.
 

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I feel like everyone should read this, it's presented in a very even-handed and factual manner.

Agreed. Sounds Ike the best thing that can be done for children in school is “vaccination for 12 & up & ventilation”.

“The CDC cannot ‘follow the science’ because there is no relevant science.”
 

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Does anyone have background/papers/articles on why Astrazenca's vaccine isn't being used in the US? We only used it for one age band up here (think it was the 40-55). Was this a blood clot thing?
 

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Does anyone have background/papers/articles on why Astrazenca's vaccine isn't being used in the US? We only used it for one age band up here (think it was the 40-55). Was this a blood clot thing?

From The observer:

Real-world vaccination data found that a small number of people who received the Astra vaccine had developed a rare form of blood clotting called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST). Since March, a growing number of European countries, as well a Canada, have suspended use of the Astra shots for certain age groups to investigate the blood clot concern. (Most recipients displaying the effect were under 60.)

Data from side effect probes actually came out better than feared. British regulators said the overall incidence of cerebral blood clots was about one case for every 250,000 people who’d received the vaccine. The reported risk in Europe is one in 100,000, according to the European Medicines Agency. The chance of developing the illness is comparable to the rate of incidence among the general population; about one in every 200,000 people of all ages develop CVST in a given year, according to the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

A link between the Astra vaccine and blood clots is possible, said U.K. and European regulators, as well as the World Health Organization. But the benefits of getting the shot outweigh the risks, they stressed.

From Fortune linked below

With three COVID-19 vaccines already approved in the U.S. “there’s no emergency need anymore,” Soriot said. “Right now our focus is to produce vaccine for the low-and-middle-income countries.”


https://fortune.com/2021/07/29/astra...id-vaccine-us/
 
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Lots of backlash in the scientific community on the CDC/FDA recommendation on boosters. In most cases, the data are either not compelling or non-existent. I believe Pfizer and MRNA were caught almost completely off guard by this announcement and are now on the clock to determine what the appropriate makeup of the booster will be.

Add this to the growing list of botches by our health bureaucrats.
 

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I am so completely beyond frustrated with people living their lives as if there is no pandemic and the way that effects everybody around them. My business is basically coming to a complete halt for the next seven days because of a BBQ. My Operations Manager thought it would be fun to have a back to school party and invited a ton of people - some of them co-workers. He has tested positive and three other guys are being tested now but have symptoms and are likely positive. With contact tracing this will have everyone on quarantine except myself and my Parts Manager(the only two that are vaccinated). What a nightmare...
 

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I am so completely beyond frustrated with people living their lives as if there is no pandemic and the way that effects everybody around them. My business is basically coming to a complete halt for the next seven days because of a BBQ. My Operations Manager thought it would be fun to have a back to school party and invited a ton of people - some of them co-workers. He has tested positive and three other guys are being tested now but have symptoms and are likely positive. With contact tracing this will have everyone on quarantine except myself and my Parts Manager(the only two that are vaccinated). What a nightmare...

Apparently a person is free to get themselves sick as well as everyone else around them? Where does my right to not get sick from you begin?
 

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Would love to see it, but I don't think it will move the needle IMO.

Survey was from back in June, so may not be totally relevant anymore given how much has changed in the past two months. Some people in the category may have already started the vaccination process in July or August when COVID started ramping up again. Of course there may be some people who weren't in this category back in June but now may be willing to get vaccinated because of recent increases. Might bump up overall vaccination rates by10 to 15 percent.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/emilyakopp/status/1429812896674897922[/TWEET]
 

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I'm afraid our country is too dumb to gain control over the virus with vaccines. A large contingency of our population straight up rejects science. There may not be a more effective pharmaceutical on the market to prevent serious disease and death and yet...here we are...with many states still struggling with around half of the population vaccinated. The data is glaringly obvious, but people instead latch on to some bullshit story they heard on Facebook. Anger has started to set in for me. For many health care professionals, it's anger, or sadness, or exhaustion. Previously healthy 30 or 40 somethings are dying every day in our local hospitals, the overwhelming majority unvaccinated. Covid is a preventable disease, at least severe covid. I wish stupidity were.

Agreed.

My uncle is retired and volunteers at a hospital in Texas. He told me last week they had no beds available and virtually every patient sans a couple have not been vaccinated. The death count is up to five and they're all unvaccinated.

I have kids under 12 that have not been vaccinated yet. It truly pisses me off how selfish and stupid millions of Americans are. At this point it is willfull ignorance that is going to destory us.
 

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It won't. The former POTUS told people at one of his rallies in Alabama to get it and they booed. It's done at this point.

It was in Alabama enough said, a few people booed. I watched the video and if he hadn't responded to the boos, I don't think I would've even noticed. Media made a big deal because a few fired up people booed. Hopefully Trump suggesting to take it will help a little.
 

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It was in Alabama enough said, a few people booed. I watched the video and if he hadn't responded to the boos, I don't think I would've even noticed. Media made a big deal because a few fired up people booed. Hopefully Trump suggesting to take it will help a little.

It won't. Horse is out of the barn and not coming back regardless of whatever he or anyone else says.

Anyone that hasn't gotten it by now is in all likelihood not going to get it.
 

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Lots of backlash in the scientific community on the CDC/FDA recommendation on boosters. In most cases, the data are either not compelling or non-existent. I believe Pfizer and MRNA were caught almost completely off guard by this announcement and are now on the clock to determine what the appropriate makeup of the booster will be.

Add this to the growing list of botches by our health bureaucrats.

Yeah unless a person is immunocompromised &/or elderly, it’s hard to justify the benefits of a third shot. There is, nor will there be in the future, no way to eradicate COVID 19 to zero percent. The key for the vaccines is prevent severe illness/hospitalization. A third jab has yet to show it does that any better than the first two.

As far as Pfizer….Pfuck Pfizer. I congratulate them on their vaccine but they can’t help themselves when it comes to pushing the envelope for the sake of more revenue or share growth.. Yes, all major corps are charged to do this for shareholders but Pfizer takes the Pfucking cake.
 

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Agreed.

My uncle is retired and volunteers at a hospital in Texas. He told me last week they had no beds available and virtually every patient sans a couple have not been vaccinated. The death count is up to five and they're all unvaccinated.

I have kids under 12 that have not been vaccinated yet. It truly pisses me off how selfish and stupid millions of Americans are. At this point it is willfull ignorance that is going to destory us.

You honestly fear for your children being exposed to Covid? And you think Covid can collectively "destroy us"? It's like half the country wants to live in fear? SMH
 

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It won't. Horse is out of the barn and not coming back regardless of whatever he or anyone else says.

Anyone that hasn't gotten it by now is in all likelihood not going to get it.

7 day moving average of vaccines administered is trending up and is up over 60% in the past month and a half.
 

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Dear American Healthcare Workers,

On behalf of our nation, I am sorry.

I am sorry that we are where we are today with a raging pandemic when free, incredibly effective vaccines are readily available. I am sorry the ICUs and Emergency Rooms are full with people who did not need to get this sick. I am sorry that selfishness, ignorance, and arrogance has exacerbated this crisis and that you have had to bear the burden of life-and-death battles, hospital bed by hospital bed. I am sorry that elected officials have tried to score political points by stoking anti-science narratives based on lies around this virus, the vaccine, and bogus treatments, while attacking your credibility and service. It is beyond shameful. I am sorry that you have been subjected to verbal and even physical abuse while you have risked your lives and the lives of your families.

I remember in the early days of the pandemic when we would gather nightly in New York to applaud your sacrifice. In those days, there was no vaccine. There was no expectation that there would be any protection anytime soon. And yet, day after day, you went into the fight, trying to save lives. How long ago those days seem now. How much has transpired, some of it hopeful, much of it deeply discouraging.

I would like to believe that the vast majority of Americans value your service, even if they will never know the full horrors you have had to endure. Like soldiers constantly on the frontlines, tour after tour, you have had little time for rest. I understand why you are drained, frustrated, and angry. I understand why many of you may choose to leave a profession that has been your life’s work. In times of war, many glibly thank members of the armed forces for their service, never understanding the full measure of their sacrifice. So is it with you today. We owe you much more than our gratitude. We owe you our lives. And we owe you the freedom that allows us to dream of a healthier future.

It is a cruel irony that those who denigrate basic measures of public health under the misguided banner of “freedom,” have confined you to continued imprisonment in a nightmarish world of endless waves of new cases. And now the enemy has regrouped with a deadlier variant, and once again you are asked to man the battlements and repel the invaders. People who blithely castigated your knowledge and the vaccines now selfishly demand that they get every possible treatment. Their presence in crowded hospitals also means there is less time and fewer beds - if any at all - for you to treat patients with other medical needs, like strokes, trauma, and heart disease. The stress on the system builds.

My hope is that your allies across the country, the tens of millions who have been vaccinated, who are trying to protect others and themselves from the virus, have also had enough. Mask mandates are growing, and politicians who try to ban them are receiving serious pushback. Vaccine mandates are also on the rise. This is all progress. But when the pandemic eventually fades we will need more than just acknowledging these measures of necessity. We will need to have a deep introspection, an after-action report, to understand how we pushed our healthcare system to the brink and how we make sure nothing like this ever happens again.

Your heroic service deserves to be long remembered and celebrated. But I suspect, more than anything, you would yearn for the appreciation that comes from the humbling knowledge that our public health demands that we look out for each other, that we do all we can to protect our communities and the broader world. I pledge, and I ask others to do so as well, that we will not let this issue fade as the case numbers hopefully decrease. We must demand of our leaders that they fortify our nation for the public-health battles ahead. We need the press to be engaged and we need every platform that disseminates information to make sure that they ferret out the lies, and promote the truth.

That is the least you deserve.

With deep gratitude,

Dan Rather
 

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This can't be right. I've been told Ivermectin is the safest thing to use.

This is a total straw-man. Just because some people decided to do something stupid and take horse level dosages of Ivermectin, which is toxic/overdoses, has nothing to do with the safety and efficacy of FDA approved Ivermectin used for humans prescribed by doctors at safe and effective dosage levels.

Do you think doctors have been giving patients horse level dosages of Ivermectin for decades as an anti-parasitic drug? Or could it be that they have been prescribing Ivermectin safely and effectively?

Never mind the studies (many Peer-Reviewed,), like below, on the efficacy of Ivermectin as both a Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19, especially in early treatment applications where people rarely end up in the hospital or ICU on a ventilator. To suggest Ivermectin, along with a solid number of other therapeutics, are not at least as effective, if not more effective than a vaccine, is simply not accurate. (Other therapeutics include inhaled steroids Budesonide/Albuterol, Regeneron, HCQ, etc.). My soapbox for over a year now has been "Where is the "GET EARLY TREATMENT" promotion campaign on the national, state and local level from the medical community and governments? BEFORE you can't breath 1-3 weeks after infection.

"Conclusions: Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified."

IVERMECTIN
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34375047/ (same info on NIH.GOV site, National Library of Medicine)

REGENERON
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/healt...ion/index.html
https://www.phe.gov/emergency/events...s/default.aspx
"Supported by pivotal Phase 3 data showing 81% reduced risk of symptomatic infections in close contacts of SARS-CoV-2 infected individuals."

INHALED STERIODS
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8040526/
"Early administration of inhaled budesonide reduced the likelihood of needing urgent medical care and reduced time to recovery after early COVID-19."

HCQ
https://c19hcq.com/
​​​​​​"Database of all HCQ COVID-19 studies. 341 studies, 249 peer reviewed, 278 comparing treatment and control groups. HCQ is not effective when used very late with high dosages over a long period (RECOVERY/SOLIDARITY), effectiveness improves with earlier usage and improved dosing. Early treatment consistently shows positive effects."
 

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This is a total straw-man. Just because some people decided to do something stupid and take horse level dosages of Ivermectin, which is toxic/overdoses, has nothing to do with the safety and efficacy of FDA approved Ivermectin used for humans prescribed by doctors at safe and effective dosage levels.

Do you think doctors have been giving patients horse level dosages of Ivermectin for decades as an anti-parasitic drug? Or could it be that they have been prescribing Ivermectin safely and effectively?

Never mind the studies (many Peer-Reviewed,), like below, on the efficacy of Ivermectin as both a Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19, especially in early treatment applications where people rarely end up in the hospital or ICU on a ventilator. To suggest Ivermectin, along with a solid number of other therapeutics, are not at least as effective, if not more effective than a vaccine, is simply not accurate. (Other therapeutics include inhaled steroids Budesonide/Albuterol, Regeneron, HCQ, etc.). My soapbox for over a year now has been "Where is the "GET EARLY TREATMENT" promotion campaign on the national, state and local level from the medical community and governments? BEFORE you can't breath 1-3 weeks after infection.

Boobby, this has all been debunked in the prior 15 pages.

The "get early treatment" for those with at least one wrinkle on their brain is getting vaccinated, to suggest otherwise is *insert ban-able name calling*
 
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