COVID-19

[notredomer23]

Pay attention to global public health, most notably the most vaccinated countries, Israel being one of them.


Israel’s sobering setback

"Israel, which has led the world in launching vaccinations and in data gathering, is confronting a surge of COVID-19 cases that officials expect to push hospitals to the brink. Nearly 60% of gravely ill patients are fully vaccinated."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...t-defeat-delta

Misleading considering that 90% of people eligible for vaccine have received it and uptake amongst 60+ is in even higher. What you shared bodes awfully for your anti-vax argument as per capita, that means the unvaccinated are significantly outpacing the vaccinated in serious cases:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1428350804516212737?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[ab2cmiller]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/statnews/status/1428121303396102151[/TWEET]

 

[ab2cmiller]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1428365085055938583[/TWEET]

 

[NDohio]

The owner of our company has been pro-vaccine from the beginning (he had COVID early on) and has just come out with a $1,000.00 incentive for people getting the vaccine. I am curious how this will go - we are in VA, NC, SC, and GA so should be interesting to see the response. We are currently at 48% vaccinated overall. Management is at 62%.

 

[Trait Expectations]

The owner of our company has been pro-vaccine from the beginning (he had COVID early on) and has just come out with a $1,000.00 incentive for people getting the vaccine. I am curious how this will go - we are in VA, NC, SC, and GA so should be interesting to see the response. We are currently at 48% vaccinated overall. Management is at 62%.

Is the payment retroactive? If not I'd be pissed that I didnt' hold out for a little spendin money

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Just tell them it’s Bbq flavored and they will get it. Save him some money.

 

[NDohio]

Is the payment retroactive? If not I'd be pissed that I didnt' hold out for a little spendin money

Yes. All of us that have been vaccinated will get the $$.

 

[NDohio]

Just tell them it’s Bbq flavored and they will get it. Save him some money.

LOL - I have already overheard some of our technicians complaining that he doesn't care about them and he wants them to put some foreign substance in their body. They figure he is getting paid by the government to get to a certain percentage of vaccinated. Unreal...

 

[ab2cmiller]

The owner of our company has been pro-vaccine from the beginning (he had COVID early on) and has just come out with a $1,000.00 incentive for people getting the vaccine. I am curious how this will go - we are in VA, NC, SC, and GA so should be interesting to see the response. We are currently at 48% vaccinated overall. Management is at 62%.

Guidance from our attorneys: The EEOC guidance does not specify a perfect amount but has said that it should not exceed one day’s pay as a general rule.

I'm not a lawyer, so I have no clue if there is a general consensus in this area or not.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

LOL - I have already overheard some of our technicians complaining that he doesn't care about them and he wants them to put some foreign substance in their body. They figure he is getting paid by the government to get to a certain percentage of vaccinated. Unreal...

SMH. A large portion of the people in this state are dumb

 

[Irishize]

Just one of many COVID treatments trying to get to market.

AstraZeneca's antibody regimen prevents COVID-19 in high-risk groups


(Ref: This is Money, Evening Standard, Financial Post, Bloomberg, FinanzNachrichten, The Wall Street Journal, AstraZeneca)
August 20th, 2021

AstraZeneca announced Friday that its long-acting antibody regimen AZD7442 significantly reduced the incidence of symptomatic COVID-19 compared to placebo in a pre-exposure prophylaxis study. Principal investigator Myron Levin said the results "show that one dose of AZD7442, delivered in a convenient intramuscular form, can quickly and effectively prevent symptomatic COVID-19."

The Phase III PROVENT trial randomised 5197 people to receive either a single intramuscular dose of AZD7442, which combines the two antibodies tixagevimab and cilgavimab, or placebo for the prevention of COVID-19. AstraZeneca noted that participants included adults who were determined to have an increased risk for inadequate response to active immunisation or having increased risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection, with more than 75% having co-morbidities.
No cases of severe COVID-19, death


Top-line results showed that AZD7442 cut the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 by 77% compared to placebo. AstraZeneca noted that there were 25 cases of symptomatic COVID-19 at the primary analysis, which included 5172 participants who did not have SARS-CoV-2 infection at baseline. The company added that there were no cases of severe COVID-19 or COVID-19-related deaths in people treated with AZD7442, while in the placebo arm, there were three cases of severe COVID-19, which included two deaths.

AstraZeneca indicated that AZD7442 was well tolerated in the study with preliminary analyses suggesting that adverse events were balanced between the two groups.

 

[Rogue219]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1428752469610409985[/TWEET]

I am wondering what behavior is like in other countries. For example, are they seeing parents act this way in Norway, by chance?

 

[TorontoGold]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1428752469610409985[/TWEET]

I am wondering what behavior is like in other countries. For example, are they seeing parents act this way in Norway, by chance?

We have an anti-mask protest once a month downtown. Our far-right groups are losing their minds at our conservative premier for mask/vaccine policies.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I'm all for mask options, but you start ripping off masks of people who want to wear them or physically try to intimidate those people, a tad bit insane. When you start hearing about places of business that are refusing to serve people who wear masks, just crazy.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Are the people flipping out over masks for kids because 1) freedoms 2) they feel they don't work 3) kids are low risk in general 4) have side effects 5) all the above 6) other? Genuinely curious what the census is here.

We usually let our kids go maskless unless we're indoors around a bunch of crowds for extended periods of time (places we typically avoid with the kids in general). My 6 year old wears hers at school because it's mandated. She seems totally fine with it. She gets mask breaks throughout the day when they can spread out, lunch, recess, etc.

My wife is a 5th grade teacher. She's vaccinated. Hates the idea of vaccinated people having to wear masks (I agree with her..it should be optional at that point). But she says the kids generally do well with them and all this protesting seems a bit hysterical. One mom ripped her 1st grader out of school on the first day of the mandate. The mom's opposition to the mask mandate was more important than her crying daughter who was begging to stay in school that day, even if it meant wearing a mask. My wife said it was heartbreaking. Kids want to be in school. And if a mask mandate is what it takes to get through this, the overwhelming majority of them are all for it.

Once again, we're stuck in a situation involving kids and this pandemic where there just isn't a ton of data. Policies are being made on minimal data or emotions. It's been highly politicized since day 1. It's just a recipe for disaster.

 

[Irishize]

WAPO: FDA & CDC now “investigating emerging reports that the (Moderna vaccine) may be associated w/a higher risk of a heart condition in younger adults than previously believed”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/19/moderna-vaccine-myocarditis/

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Australia seems to be the most confrontational but I believe they have a vaccine mandate so there are viral videos of kids screaming while cops & nurses try to vaccinate kid and keep parent from interfering.

I don't think Australia mandated vaccines for everyone. I think it was just for certain people in high risk jobs, etc.

 

[Irishize]

I don't think Australia mandated vaccines for everyone. I think it was just for certain people in high risk jobs, etc.

Thanks. I wasn’t sure. Plus, the video i was referring to was incorrectly labeled as COVID related. My bad. I’ll delete my original post.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Are the people flipping out over masks for kids because 1) freedoms 2) they feel they don't work 3) kids are low risk in general 4) have side effects 5) all the above 6) other? Genuinely curious what the census is here.

We usually let our kids go maskless unless we're indoors around a bunch of crowds for extended periods of time (places we typically avoid with the kids in general). My 6 year old wears hers at school because it's mandated. She seems totally fine with it. She gets mask breaks throughout the day when they can spread out, lunch, recess, etc.

My wife is a 5th grade teacher. She's vaccinated. Hates the idea of vaccinated people having to wear masks (I agree with her..it should be optional at that point). But she says the kids generally do well with them and all this protesting seems a bit hysterical. One mom ripped her 1st grader out of school on the first day of the mandate. The mom's opposition to the mask mandate was more important than her crying daughter who was begging to stay in school that day, even if it meant wearing a mask. My wife said it was heartbreaking. Kids want to be in school. And if a mask mandate is what it takes to get through this, the overwhelming majority of them are all for it.

Once again, we're stuck in a situation involving kids and this pandemic where there just isn't a ton of data. Policies are being made on minimal data or emotions. It's been highly politicized since day 1. It's just a recipe for disaster.

My wife is a teacher as well.

Probably a combination of all of those things. In order of priority I would guess the following:

Kids are low risk
Have side effects or negative impacts
Feel they don't work

So a conclusion is reached that I don't really want my kid to have to wear a mask. When the schools start mandating masks in the face of that conclusion, it's an emotional trigger and people start getting a bit worked up.

CDC did a study in Georgia Elementary Schools and the concluded that having Teachers and Staff wear masks and ventilation improvements were the only things that made significant improvements. There was no statistically significant decrease in COVID cases for the following:

Requiring kids to wear masks
Barriers or partitions between desks
Having desks separated by >= 6ft

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[phork]

WAPO: FDA & CDC now “investigating emerging reports that the (Moderna vaccine) may be associated w/a higher risk of a heart condition in younger adults than previously believed”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/19/moderna-vaccine-myocarditis/

A heart condition you can get with any virus, including covid. People making a big deal out of this have no idea what this is. Most people don't even know they have it and it usually clears up with no intervention.

 

[BrownerandFry]

So the United States, per Worldometer, was over 1,000 fatalities on both Thursday and Friday.

So we have that going for us.

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[Irishize]

A heart condition you can get with any virus, including covid. People making a big deal out of this have no idea what this is. Most people don't even know they have it and it usually clears up with no intervention.

Correct although the claim in the article is that it is more severe than myocarditis from COVID, which I suspect is fodder for those who don’t want a vax. I still wonder if putting a pause on J&J vax halted the vaccination rate. That, too; seemed to be much ado about nothing considering it wasn’t grades 3-4 and not a high number. I believe it was embolism, no? Regardless, the vax was quickly put back into the public which gave the conspiratorial minded the theory that Pfizer & Moderna put the fix in on J&J. Crazy times.

 

[PerthDomer]

Correct although the claim in the article is that it is more severe than myocarditis from COVID, which I suspect is fodder for those who don’t want a vax. I still wonder if putting a pause on J&J vax halted the vaccination rate. That, too; seemed to be much ado about nothing considering it wasn’t grades 3-4 and not a high number. I believe it was embolism, no? Regardless, the vax was quickly put back into the public which gave the conspiratorial minded the theory that Pfizer & Moderna put the fix in on J&J. Crazy times.

Myocardial with viral infection is far worse and 5 to 6 times more common with viral infection than with the vaccine.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Yale article explaining the phenomenon in layman’s terms

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-vaccine

 

[Valpodoc85]

The whole point of vaccines is to prime the adaptive immune system so that you're not relying on the innate immune system to protect you. We have an adaptive immune system because the innate one isn't great on its own.

Many animals such as sharks have no adaptive response and seem to fare well. The adaptive response is an immunologic add on. The combination of both innate and adaptive seems to be more robust or confer a genetic advantage. A vaccine is used to game the system. You get a free look at an antigen (something that is foreign) without the risk of infection. This provides a more rapid response when infection occurs. More rapid response less damage from the infection.

 

[Valpodoc85]

That would explain the couple days after getting any vaccination helping (it doesn't even with the covid vaccine. Takes weeks to help). Your innate immune system then calms down.

The mRNA vaccines do not seem to generate the same initial innate response but it certainly occurs. And more so with the second dose and more quickly. It is the flu like feeling you get a day or so after a vaccine. The innate response to the vaccine can be measured for some time. Think 30-90 days

 

[Irishize]

Yale article explaining the phenomenon in layman’s terms

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-vaccine

Thanks for posting. Good stuff.

 

[Irishize]

Myocardial with viral infection is far worse and 5 to 6 times more common with viral infection than with the vaccine.

And as we’ve learned, myocarditis caused by either COVID-19 or the mRNA vaccine hasn’t played out to be a major concern. Regarding the vaccine, the benefits far outweigh any risks to myocarditis. What’s frustrating is that they actually suspended the use of the J&J vaccine when the concern of embolisms arose. Who knows how alarmist that ended up being to the general public. Yes, it’s better safe than sorry but in a pandemic where vaccination is crucial, that was not a good look by the FDA/CDC/Fauci.

 

[Irishize]

Many animals such as sharks have no adaptive response and seem to fare well. The adaptive response is an immunologic add on. The combination of both innate and adaptive seems to be more robust or confer a genetic advantage. A vaccine is used to game the system. You get a free look at an antigen (something that is foreign) without the risk of infection. This provides a more rapid response when infection occurs. More rapid response less damage from the infection.

Imagine your simplistic message board response being rolled out by the CDC when the vaccines were given the go ahead for emergency use?!?! This is a great description in layman’s terms of why vaccines are effective.