COVID-19

[Trait Expectations]

So my wife and mom got pretty beat down a couple weeks ago. Very respiratory. Mom was eventually diagnosed with severe bronchitis.

Both tested negative for COVID.

The weird thing is they both lost taste and smell.

I doubt there is any study on this and I am sure Im just going conspiracy theory here. But my thought was they got covid and being vaccinated made them test negative.

I had this happen about 2-3 weeks ago. I'm vaccinated, had about 3-4 days of lower energy then got smashed for about 36 hrs with heavy running nose, cough, headache and mild exhaustion. Lost sense of taste about 90% but couldn't smell because my nose was too stopped up/running.

Not sure if it's covid or just a really bad head cold....

 

[IrishRazor82]

Razor82, any thoughts?

I think life is altered as well. How significantly is hard to tell. In the last week, I've seen a lot more people wearing masks again. Not sure if this is in response to the Delta or more people venturing out more and just being cautious?

I'm not trying to be mean but this is a flawed study for a number of reasons. The most obvious of which was the age of the participants (37). Obviously anyone who's tracked this knows the average 37 year old is going to have mild symptoms if they even notice any at all, and they're all going to live. So "time to recovery" in studying the healthiest of populations is terribly misleading, but that is their goal.

It'd be like giving a toddler with a fever Tylenol and saying "they all got better overnight and all lived, so it must not have helped". The best studies will be population health studies and/or studies of at risk populations. The population health studies in India, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Brazil and more are startling. COVID vanishes when Ivermectin becomes part of the treatment protocol.

When used as a prophylactic, many argue it would terminate COVID all together, which should be everyone's goal before this virus gets smarter and smarter.

BuT tHeRe AiN't No MoNeY iN gEnErIcS...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

 

[RDU Irish]

We don’t know if it’s more dangerous. What we do know is that COVID poses close to zero risk for kids. I got the vaccine, but if I had kids not yet in high school there would be no way I would vaccinate them with a vaccine being implemented through an emergency use authorization.

It’s all about your risk profile. Kids have almost zero risk and as he said earlier, the flu is far deadlier to that age bracket.

Bingo - it is actual science. Healthy kids without comorbidities have statistically zero risk.

We get flu vaccines annually - it is a proven, non-experimental vaccine with decades of data behind it. Why are Covid restrictions so much more draconian for schools than any consideration that has ever been given for the flu? It is so intellectually dishonest it is not even funny.

 

[RDU Irish]

Aren't most mask guidance and other restrictions gone? Weren't they lifted?

My statement was more that vaccines are the way through this thing, not sure what I'm wrong about there.

Vaccines are here and we are still not back to normal - you are claiming everything is back to normal. Unless you are elitists flying private to shirk your duties you are required to wear a face covering on an airplane - that is not normal. Our public schools are currently planning on requiring face coverings for the next school year in NC. That is not normal. GTFOH with your inability to understand any point that runs counter to your narrative.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I'm not trying to be mean but this is a flawed study for a number of reasons. The most obvious of which was the age of the participants (37). Obviously anyone who's tracked this knows the average 37 year old is going to have mild symptoms if they even notice any at all, and they're all going to live. So "time to recovery" in studying the healthiest of populations is terribly misleading, but that is their goal.

It'd be like giving a toddler with a fever Tylenol and saying "they all got better overnight and all lived, so it must not have helped". The best studies will be population health studies and/or studies of at risk populations. The population health studies in India, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Brazil and more are startling. COVID vanishes when Ivermectin becomes part of the treatment protocol.

When used as a prophylactic, many argue it would terminate COVID all together, which should be everyone's goal before this virus gets smarter and smarter.

BuT tHeRe AiN't No MoNeY iN gEnErIcS...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Strongly recommend following this guy if you're on twitter. He points out very clearly the population health differences across the globe once Ivermectin is introduced, and graphs everything.

The results will piss you off.

https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1412932089457127430?s=19

 

[IrishRazor82]

The differences in India are criminal. One of many pop health comparisons, scroll the link.

https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/...592990213?s=19

 

[IrishRazor82]

Vaccines are here and we are still not back to normal - you are claiming everything is back to normal. Unless you are elitists flying private to shirk your duties you are required to wear a face covering on an airplane - that is not normal. Our public schools are currently planning on requiring face coverings for the next school year in NC. That is not normal. GTFOH with your inability to understand any point that runs counter to your narrative.

I encourage you to scroll the link I posted above. More and more data coming out that the highest vaccinated countries are having the highest case fatality rate.

These vaccines are turning into a person needing to pay a debt, so they rush to get a same day cash loan.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I'm not trying to be mean but this is a flawed study for a number of reasons. The most obvious of which was the age of the participants (37). Obviously anyone who's tracked this knows the average 37 year old is going to have mild symptoms if they even notice any at all, and they're all going to live. So "time to recovery" in studying the healthiest of populations is terribly misleading, but that is their goal.

It'd be like giving a toddler with a fever Tylenol and saying "they all got better overnight and all lived, so it must not have helped". The best studies will be population health studies and/or studies of at risk populations. The population health studies in India, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Brazil and more are startling. COVID vanishes when Ivermectin becomes part of the treatment protocol.

When used as a prophylactic, many argue it would terminate COVID all together, which should be everyone's goal before this virus gets smarter and smarter.

BuT tHeRe AiN't No MoNeY iN gEnErIcS...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Yes, this is exactly right. Median age skews very young compared to most studies. Out of the 400 people in the whole study, 24 were 65 or older.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Vaccines are here and we are still not back to normal - you are claiming everything is back to normal. Unless you are elitists flying private to shirk your duties you are required to wear a face covering on an airplane - that is not normal. Our public schools are currently planning on requiring face coverings for the next school year in NC. That is not normal. GTFOH with your inability to understand any point that runs counter to your narrative.

Vaccines are here and not fully adopted so we have a massive cesspool of individuals who are keeping it alive. We also have people who have been vaccinated with varying levels of susceptibility to variants. Will you stand strong in your opposition to school masking if some kids in your district without comorbidities die? Are they just part of the churn of every day life?

What is your point, so we all understand? Is it that vaccines are bad, face masks are bad and COVID is not so bad?

 

[Rogue219]

Vaccines work. I go with doctors and science over the stay at home mom on Facebook who has called the police one too many times when someone she doesn't know is in her subdivision.

 

[TorontoGold]

Vaccines are here and we are still not back to normal - you are claiming everything is back to normal. Unless you are elitists flying private to shirk your duties you are required to wear a face covering on an airplane - that is not normal. Our public schools are currently planning on requiring face coverings for the next school year in NC. That is not normal. GTFOH with your inability to understand any point that runs counter to your narrative.

"Most restrictions lifted" =/= back to normal.

Not sure what my narrative is other than "Vaccines work, and they're helping to push countries towards returning to normal".

 

[TorontoGold]

Strongly recommend following this guy if you're on twitter. He points out very clearly the population health differences across the globe once Ivermectin is introduced, and graphs everything.

The results will piss you off.

https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1412932089457127430?s=19

These graphs are void of markers where strict health measures were put into place, or when vaccine coverage increased.

 

[IrishRazor82]

https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1415793311210745858?s=19

 

[Trait Expectations]

https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1415793311210745858?s=19

What's the purpose of this? Do you think it prudent to wait until the curve ramps up substantially before reinstating a masking policy?

 

[IrishRazor82]

Essay from a US Dr of 40 years urging people to use Ivermectin. He's since been censored in facebook.

"If there were an exceedingly safe and effective treatment for COVID that would dramatically reduce deaths, hospitalizations and transmission, we would be insane not to use it. There is such a medication: ivermectin. It must be immediately deployed to prevent and treat COVID-19."

"Most of these types of appeals end with, “we are not giving medical advice.” Well, I am. I am a physician. I have studied this extensively. It is my professional and moral duty to spread this life-saving information."

https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/51386/a-case-in-favor-of-ivermectin

 

[IrishRazor82]

What's the purpose of this? Do you think it prudent to wait until the curve ramps up substantially before reinstating a masking policy?

Masks and shutdowns don't stop the spread of COVID. Comparative state studies have shown this repeatedly. Watch what happens next.

 

[zelezo vlk]

They're bumping us back up to Phase 3 here in Austin after a spike in cases, with only a few being the Delta variant. I think some of the restrictions may come back if we don't see numbers flatten.

 

[Rogue219]

Wondering when the variant comes along that doesn't care that you've been vaccinated. Can't wait for that one.

Fall and winter should be great times.

 

[notredomer23]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1415834857171783684?s=20[/TWEET]

I think the "endemic transition" has already taken place in pretty much every state that has reached that 70% goal, especially ones where 10% + of the population had confirmed infections. I expect the rural areas that are getting hammered now are unfortunately no where near that endemicity and it is going to be a rough couple months. I suspect Balloux's tweet is in light of LA county's decision, which will prove to have minimal effect.

 

[NorthDakota]

They're bumping us back up to Phase 3 here in Austin after a spike in cases, with only a few being the Delta variant. I think some of the restrictions may come back if we don't see numbers flatten.

Not sure it would work very well. I can't imagine there would be very much compliance.

 

[Irishize]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1415834857171783684?s=20[/TWEET]

I think the "endemic transition" has already taken place in pretty much every state that has reached that 70% goal, especially ones where 10% + of the population had confirmed infections. I expect the rural areas that are getting hammered now are unfortunately no where near that endemicity and it is going to be a rough couple months. I suspect Balloux's tweet is in light of LA county's decision, which will prove to have minimal effect.

I tend to agree based on what we’ve seen thus far. The window may have been open long enough to eradicate C19 but we’ll never know b/c of stubbornness to get the vaccine ASAP. Now it will be a part of all the other viruses we deal with on a yearly basis. I suspect there will now be a “COVID season” much like the flu variants.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Not sure it would work very well. I can't imagine there would be very much compliance.

In Austin? Yeah people will mask up again, places will shut down/restrict stuff, but the governor won't do it until absolutely necessary.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Masks and shutdowns don't stop the spread of COVID. Comparative state studies have shown this repeatedly. Watch what happens next.

So then you advocate doing nothing besides putting everyone on continuous prophylactic doses of Ivermectin, yes?

 

[Irish#1]

Essay from a US Dr of 40 years urging people to use Ivermectin. He's since been censored in facebook.

"If there were an exceedingly safe and effective treatment for COVID that would dramatically reduce deaths, hospitalizations and transmission, we would be insane not to use it. There is such a medication: ivermectin. It must be immediately deployed to prevent and treat COVID-19."

"Most of these types of appeals end with, “we are not giving medical advice.” Well, I am. I am a physician. I have studied this extensively. It is my professional and moral duty to spread this life-saving information."

https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/51386/a-case-in-favor-of-ivermectin

You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?

 

[TorontoGold]

Masks and shutdowns don't stop the spread of COVID. Comparative state studies have shown this repeatedly. Watch what happens next.

They do and the stats show it.

 

[TorontoGold]

You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?

Well big Pharma is keeping it down, taking a drug repeatedly to try an inconclusive repurposed drug is actually much better than a free vaccine you only have to take once/twice. What are sheep you are.

 

[IrishRazor82]

You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?

I dismiss the study because its protocol made it garbage. Studying the "impact" on a perfectly healthy 37 year old? Child's play. If anyone thinks that study has merit we're not in the same ballpark.

I posted the article because it's another interesting piece. If you pay attn to only one thing I post, pay attn to the meta-analysis, peer reviewed paper that shows unequivocally that Ivermectin destroys COVID both as a precentative and a treatment.

Here's this too while I'm here. Early, but bad signs about the vaccine effectiveness. This is the inventor of the mRNA technology.

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=19

 

[Circa]

You dismiss the study that showed Ivermectin doesn't work, but refer us to a doctor that posts on FB? Data? Credentials?

Here's Brett Weinstein explaining how ridiculous the article is.

​​​​​​https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin...weinstein_something_ungodly_is_going_on_clip/

 

[PerthDomer]

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-...eating-unvaccinated-dying-covid-patients.html

Here's an article laying out the human tragedy anti vaxxers are opening the door for.

 

[Irishize]

New England Journal of Medicine:

“Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the delta variant as compared with the alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses”

Alpha: 93% effective (Pfizer)
Delta: 88% effective (Pfizer


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891