'22 OH S Sonny Styles (Ohio State Signee) - Reclassified from 2023

[Luckylucci]

Those are impressive. It also puts Agu’s numbers into perspective a little more. A 6’5-6’6 225+ DE running 4.75 and jumping 36 inches.

 

[BeauBenken]

I think he could be one of those great tweener athletes that let's you not sub as much. He will have the size to play backer and the athleticism to play nickel, I think. He covered really well in the clips I saw from the camp.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think he could be one of those great tweener athletes that let's you not sub as much. He will have the size to play backer and the athleticism to play nickel, I think. He covered really well in the clips I saw from the camp.

Yea, he's the ideal hybrid defender. JOK, Simmons, etc. Whether it's called Rover, Sniper, or Superman at the time, he'll be that guy, lol.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Imagine getting Styles next year and Sneed this year, with Kollie coming in the summer. Not to mention all of the other talented athletes stacked on the defensive side. THere are just a lot of exciting possibilities with the current recruiting trajectory.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

For the record Singer thinks he blazes his own path.

 

[Ndaccountant]

For the record Singer thinks he blazes his own path.

I can't imagine OSU losses out on him.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I can't imagine OSU losses out on him.

0/1 so far...

 

[IHateMarkMay]

For the record Singer thinks he blazes his own path.

To be fair, that's like betting on Notre Dame or the field. 95% it's "X" or the field, you take the field.

 

[Ndaccountant]

0/1 so far...

Totally different.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Totally different.

How do you figure?

 

[PANDFAN]

How do you figure?

he will be a 5* and doesn't want to follow behind his bro as he wants to make his own mark

 

[NDdomer2]

How do you figure?

well just to start it isnt the same person

 

[BeauBenken]

Blazing your own path and then going to the same school as your dad would be kinda weird, but I understand him not being a shoe in for us just because his brother came here.

 

[greyhammer90]

Blazing your own path and then going to the same school as your dad would be kinda weird, but I understand him not being a shoe in for us just because his brother came here.

Singer thinks he goes to Bama or somewhere else totally different than OSU or ND.

 

[Ndaccountant]

How do you figure?

OSU signed 3 of the top 15 WR last year (which is insane, but Bama had 3 of the top 6 and 4 of the top 10). There is no indication that once Ballard and Harrison committed by Feb of 2020 that they pushed nearly as hard as ND. They simply didn't "need" him at WR like ND needed him. They tried to convince him of defense while he preferred offense. Simply put, OSU thought they had better WR options. Who knows if that will be true or not in 4 years. But you can't beat the ND drum on his recruitment without providing perspective. Sonny is going to be top of the board for everyone.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

OSU signed 3 of the top 15 WR last year (which is insane, but Bama had 3 of the top 6 and 4 of the top 10). There is no indication that once Ballard and Harrison committed by Feb of 2020 that they pushed nearly as hard as ND. They simply didn't "need" him at WR like ND needed him. They tried to convince him of defense while he preferred offense. Simply put, OSU thought they had better WR options. Who knows if that will be true or not in 4 years. But you can't beat the ND drum on his recruitment without providing perspective. Sonny is going to be top of the board for everyone.

What if he ends up deciding he wants to play with his brother? Who has the edge then?

 

[PANDFAN]

What if he ends up deciding he wants to play with his brother? Who has the edge then?

All troll, no substance---think this is perfect for this response......

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

All troll, no substance---think this is perfect for this response......

Explaining that there's more to it then OSU just wanting him "really badly". Many factors at play. And, like Singer said, blazing his own trail would mean no ND or OSU.

 

[PANDFAN]

Explaining that there's more to it then OSU just wanting him "really badly". Many factors at play. And, like Singer said, blazing his own trail would mean no ND or OSU.

you said What if he wants to play w/ his brother, then who has the edge....well if he wants to play w/ his brother where else would he go to be with him...unless they have concocted a scenario for him to transfer to another school and commit to that school....but that's not what his plan is for now

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

you said What if he wants to play w/ his brother, then who has the edge....well if he wants to play w/ his brother where else would he go to be with him...unless they have concocted a scenario for him to transfer to another school and commit to that school....but that's not what his plan is for now

It was a rhetorical "food for thought" response...
Again, explaining that OSU "wanting him" doesn't mean too much at all in this case...everyone wants him lol

 

[Ndaccountant]

What if he ends up deciding he wants to play with his brother? Who has the edge then?

Probably about the same edge OSU had with Jaylon Smith.

 

[irishandy]

Remember when the St. Brown's wanted to do their own thing?? I haven't heard a thing about Osiris at Stanford for a while and I think Amon-Ra could've been better at ND. Sonny can do his own thing and make his own path at ND.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Remember when the St. Brown's wanted to do their own thing?? I haven't heard a thing about Osiris at Stanford for a while and I think Amon-Ra could've been better at ND. Sonny can do his own thing and make his own path at ND.

 

[Armyirish47]

I agree he could have been better. His freshman numbers may have been lower but at least in recent years ND has a better track record of getting players drafted at WR with big final years. The biggest knock on him that I see is he struggled with concentration, had some drops and didn't block. He definitely would have had to work on blocking to succeed at ND and maybe he concentrates more if he is potentially playing for a national championship.


USC Receivers in draft:
2020 Pittman 2nd Round
2017 Schuster 2nd Round

ND Receivers in draft:
2020 Claypool 2nd Round
2019 Boykin 3rd Round
2018 Brown 6th Round
2016 Fuller 1st Round

 

[PANDFAN]

Remember when the St. Brown's wanted to do their own thing?? I haven't heard a thing about Osiris at Stanford for a while and I think Amon-Ra could've been better at ND. Sonny can do his own thing and make his own path at ND.

osiris-was the least talented of the brothers and got much more love from services because of family
Amon-Ra-played for one of the deepest and best wr rooms while he has been there during his time...not like he was playing w/ likes of a converted qb to wr, and several other wr's who wouldn't even start for other teams so he had the wealth spread among them...he is NOTHING like any of the receivers we have had who put up decent numbers...doesn't have the speed like fuller and doesn't have the height like a claypool or boykin...but i think he did pretty well for himself

 

[NDdomer2]

osiris-was the least talented of the brothers and got much more love from services because of family
Amon-Ra-played for one of the deepest and best wr rooms while he has been there during his time...not like he was playing w/ likes of a converted qb to wr, and several other wr's who wouldn't even start for other teams so he had the wealth spread among them...he is NOTHING like any of the receivers we have had who put up decent numbers...doesn't have the speed like fuller and doesn't have the height like a claypool or boykin...but i think he did pretty well for himself

i think he is going to have a decent nfl career and should be a nice 2/3 round addition for some team

 

[Irish du Nord]

osiris-was the least talented of the brothers and got much more love from services because of family
Amon-Ra-played for one of the deepest and best wr rooms while he has been there during his time...not like he was playing w/ likes of a converted qb to wr, and several other wr's who wouldn't even start for other teams so he had the wealth spread among them...he is NOTHING like any of the receivers we have had who put up decent numbers...doesn't have the speed like fuller and doesn't have the height like a claypool or boykin...but i think he did pretty well for himself

While I don't think ARSB would've necessarily had a better career at ND than USC, I think it's crazy to say that he wouldn't have put up decent numbers for us provided he wasn't injured or suspended. Just because he can't be easily grouped into the "burner" or "height mismatch" categories doesn't make him any less of a great college receiver.

I will say though, 2 playoff trips and an ND degree must sound pretty decent to a guy whose team lost to Iowa in the Holiday Bowl

 

[Whiskeyjack]

His freshman numbers may have been lower but at least in recent years ND has a better track record of getting players drafted at WR with big final years.

Alternatively, programs that more regularly get talented underclassmen on the field don't need "big final years" because guys like Claypool and Boykin are identified as obvious NFL prospects as sophomores and juniors.

USC Receivers in draft:
2020 Pittman 2nd Round
2017 Schuster 2nd Round

ND Receivers in draft:
2020 Claypool 2nd Round
2019 Boykin 3rd Round
2018 Brown 6th Round
2016 Fuller 1st Round

Some mocks have him going as high as the late 1st round. More likely a 2nd-rounder, though. Regardless, I think it's laughable to argue that, given our anemic vertical passing game, a WR like ARSB would have had better professional prospects coming out of ND instead of USC.

 

[Armyirish47]

Alternatively, programs that more regularly get talented underclassmen on the field don't need "big final years" because guys like Claypool and Boykin are identified as obvious NFL prospects as sophomores and juniors.

OR Alternatively to your alternative, programs that consistently put wide receivers in the NFL on an annual basis because they have demonstrated the ability to develop talented players at a higher level necessarily limits some opportunities for younger guys who will get their turn in due time.

Some mocks have him going as high as the late 1st round. More likely a 2nd-rounder, though. Regardless, I think it's laughable to argue that, given our anemic vertical passing game, a WR like ARSB would have had better professional prospects coming out of ND instead of USC.

Irregardless, I think that even if he gets selected in the 2nd round it's laughable to think that a 5 star player that was the # 11 prospect in his class, who apparently got only a little better in 3 years and still can't do things that are essential in the NFL like "block" or "catch consistently" wouldn't have benefited from a program like ND that stresses those professional traits.

 

[Ndaccountant]

OR Alternatively to your alternative, programs that consistently put wide receivers in the NFL on an annual basis because they have demonstrated the ability to develop talented players at a higher level necessarily limits some opportunities for younger guys who will get their turn in due time.



Irregardless, I think that even if he gets selected in the 2nd round it's laughable to think that a 5 star player that was the # 11 prospect in his class, who apparently got only a little better in 3 years and still can't do things that are essential in the NFL like "block" or "catch consistently" wouldn't have benefited from a program like ND that stresses those professional traits.

St. Brown is a slot receiver. He played on the outside once they lost Pittman, but go look at his production, he is/was more productive in the slot. At ND, he either would have played out of position or be one of the many slot receivers we hear about, but seemingly never get elite production from.

Also, we can't compare him to other ND draft picks. St. Brown doesn't have the measurements of Boykin or Claypool, nor the speed of someone like Fuller. He will be a good NFL prospect, not great. But without elite speed and/or size/speed, his NFL stock would be capped no matter where he went to school.

Finally, let's not forget that Will Fuller had some drop issues throughout his career (still does) and was noted by NFL scouts as being "under developed" physically. He just had elite speed and acceleration that was too good to pass up.