Why I am a fan of Cleveland Sports?

GoldenDome

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Anything with the words 'pick' or 'roll'.

They involve Tristan Thompson more in the pick n roll than Love. IMO, Cavs transition defense was really bad. Poor communication, guys picking up the same opponent, Kyrie not running back, etc...is what GSW do best. When Kyrie does run back, it often makes the team defense look bad or out of position. What JR Smith doesn't communicate and takes the same defender as his teammate, it makes other players look bad. Love having to close out on Barbosa for help defense should not happen, but in fast break and players don't communicate, it leads to breakdowns.

Curry is by far the worst defender on the floor. But they play team defense, just like every team in the association does. If K Love is involved on the pick n roll, which player exactly torched him? Also, GSW is not that much of a pick n roll team, more of a triangle, back screen/floppy action type of team with Draymond running the show on the top of the key or mid post.

But Cavs got torched on the fast break and from the GSW second team. If Kevin Love truly was playing terrible defense, they (GSW) would involve him on every play until Lue is forced to sub him out.

And Channing Frye is so atrocious at defense that they can't even play the guy unless he is hitting three's. Richard Jefferson not playing with fundamentals of having your hands up in a defense posture is basketball 101. If you let an opponent make a pass by not taking away passing lanes, of course it will make your teammates bad.

My point is, their team played terrible defense, not just Love. And I would argue that Curry and Frye are the worst defenders on either team. At one point, Kerr benched Curry and asked him if he was okay in the second quarter of game 3. When he checks Irving, he is like a lost child at Disneyland. How convenient that it goes unnoticed.
 

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^lol. Cleveland has statistically the 4th best team defensive rating this year. For having a team full of defective defensive players, that's pretty good.
 

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This series can not get over with soon enough... so we can get back to talking about teams that can play defense.. like the Browns... ;)
 

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^lol. Cleveland has statistically the 4th best team defensive rating this year. For having a team full of defective defensive players, that's pretty good.

What is their rating vs GSW? That is more relevant. And the regular season and playoffs are totally different. Some times you have teams who have played 4 games in 5 nights.

You know what good teams do, break down defense. GSW is a good team.
 

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What is their rating vs GSW? That is more relevant. And the regular season and playoffs are totally different. Some times you have teams who have played 4 games in 5 nights.

You know what good teams do, break down defense. GSW is a good team.
And CLE isn't?
 

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Game 4...up 5 at half. Thread: silence.

2:2 is a whole different situation.
 

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Frustrating to lose the second half so badly...this was basically a replay of the WCF Game 6. Heck, OKC was up 7 with 5:00 to go and lost. When they hit a million 3s, no team can match them. Bottom line.

Again, I will call everyone's attention to the Cavs bad luck in Finals match-ups. When we get to the Finals, we have played the teams with the highest aggregate regular season win % in NBA history. If, say, the 2008 Celtics had to play this team in the Finals, they wouldn't have beaten them either. But they didn't.

Classic Cleveland.

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That is awesome man...especially for a playoff game!! I was fortunate enough to sit front row (work tickets) for Cavs/Pacer game back when Lebron played for Cleveland the first time. He certainly put on a show that night.

I think GS wins the West too. IMO the Cavs will need to at least two on the road to give themselves a chance.

Not going to happen.
 

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Frustrating to lose the second half so badly...this was basically a replay of the WCF Game 6. Heck, OKC was up 7 with 5:00 to go and lost. When they hit a million 3s, no team can match them. Bottom line.

Again, I will call everyone's attention to the Cavs bad luck in Finals match-ups. When we get to the Finals, we have played the teams with the highest aggregate regular season win % in NBA history. If, say, the 2008 Celtics had to play this team in the Finals, they wouldn't have beaten them either. But they didn't.

Classic Cleveland.

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Funny stat considering the Bulls and Lakers are both in the bottom half.

If there are two teams we know choke in the finals... It's definitely the Bulls and Lakers...
 

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Funny stat considering the Bulls and Lakers are both in the bottom half.

If there are two teams we know choke in the finals... It's definitely the Bulls and Lakers...

The Lakers are just above the average, which is about 68.45% (unsurprising, given how many times they have been to the Finals). Also, this includes the many Finals in the late 1960s that the Lakers lost to the Celtics, not just the late 80s and early 00s Lakers teams.

As for the Bulls, their teams were pretty much all better than this Cavs team, but of course their figure is still lower than for the Cavs.

This might be explicable by the fact that the Cavs have not been to the Finals too often, making the odds that they are an outlier higher. On the other hand, though, there are a number of teams -Rockets, Mavericks, 76ers, Magic, Pacers, Warriors, Sonics- that are roughly at or below the mean despite only being to the Finals a couple of times. It just has to be the Cavs who are outliers in the "difficult" direction.
 
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Why I am a fan of Cleveland Sports?




I doubt it would be as bad as the last time he left. Anyone who throws a fit deserves it. "Fool me once...."

A fanbase can only take so many kicks to the groin before their junk goes numb. I think Lebron leaving would be that moment.
 

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Does Draymond get suspended for tapping Lebron's junk, even though Lebron stepped over him?
 

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Does Draymond get suspended for tapping Lebron's junk, even though Lebron stepped over him?

He shouldn't. It doesn't look to me that he intentionally tried to hit him in the nuts, he just flailed when Lebron stepped over him. That was all Lebron's doing. He knocked him down and tried to step over him like a punk. Well... Draymond aint no punk.

This link has a video of the incident. Ignore the author's mouth breathing.

Draymond Green Purposely Hit LeBron James In The Nuts During Game 4 | The Big Lead
 

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He shouldn't. It doesn't look to me that he intentionally tried to hit him in the nuts, he just flailed when Lebron stepped over him. That was all Lebron's doing. He knocked him down and tried to step over him like a punk. Well... Draymond aint no punk.

This link has a video of the incident. Ignore the author's mouth breathing.

Draymond Green Purposely Hit LeBron James In The Nuts During Game 4 | The Big Lead



Agree. Lebron put his own manhood in the line of fire by stepping over Green, which is a very disrespectful move in sports. I think any suspension levied would be nothing more than a desperate attempt to get this series to Game 6.
 

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It looked to me like it got to a point last night in the mid 4th quarter that LJ knew they weren't going to win so he was trying to get Green to get another T or flagrant. To get him suspended. Bitch move if you ask me.
 

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It looked to me like it got to a point last night in the mid 4th quarter that LJ knew they weren't going to win so he was trying to get Green to get another T or flagrant. To get him suspended. Bitch move if you ask me.

It's embarrassing that he wasn't already suspended for kicking multiple players in the nuts against OKC. The NBA has made it clear he can basically do what he wants.
 

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Does Draymond get suspended for tapping Lebron's junk, even though Lebron stepped over him?

I'm a Lebron homer so I'm biased but I don't think Draymond could complain if he was suspended. Not so much for the Lebron thing...but the Lebron thing....and the OKC stuff.
 

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It's embarrassing that he wasn't already suspended for kicking multiple players in the nuts against OKC. The NBA has made it clear he can basically do what he wants.

I'm a Lebron homer so I'm biased but I don't think Draymond could complain if he was suspended. Not so much for the Lebron thing...but the Lebron thing....and the OKC stuff.

The only people on the planet that think he should be suspended are whiney Cavs fans.

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The only people on the planet that think he should be suspended are whiney Cavs fans.

Your tears are delicious.

The assumption among most fans was that he would be suspended after his first round of kicks to the balls against OKC. Even I'm not naive enough to assume the NBA makes objective decisions on these things, though.
 

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The assumption among most fans was that he would be suspended after his first round of kicks to the balls against OKC. Even I'm not naive enough to assume the NBA makes objective decisions on these things, though.

I'm not denying that he should have been suspended for the kick against OKC, but would we even be talking about the groin slap if the Cavs won?
 

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I'm not denying that he should have been suspended for the kick against OKC, but would we even be talking about the groin slap if the Cavs won?

Probably not. But I think the situation probably never occurs if the Cavs are winning the game. LBJ was frustrated and tried to goad Green into retaliating. You can say that's bush league of Lebron but it doesn’t change the fact that Green hit him in the jewels. Like if a pitcher throws inside you don't get a free pass to charge the mound just because the pitcher instigated the situation.

I don't really think that one instance would be enough to suspend him normally, but how many times has he done this now?
 
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