2016 Presidential Horse Race

[dublinirish]

Trump heading over this way later in the month, should be fun to see how he is received

 

[connor_in]

Hillary Clinton Posted Names of Hidden Intelligence Officials On Her Email

Nbd im sure

What difference at this point does it make?

Plus, previous administrations did it, remember Secret Agent Valerie Plame, so why shouldn't she be allowed to also? What are you, some sort of sexist George W apologist?

 

[IrishLax]

Hillary Clinton Posted Names of Hidden Intelligence Officials On Her Email

Nbd im sure

Dude, stop, she's totally trustworthy because she has a "D" next to her name.

 

[kmoose]

You can't be president if you do not have any cohesive thoughts to share with voters.

But you CAN be, if your odds of being indicted by the FBI for mishandling classified information are about 50-50?

But you CAN be, if your cohesive thoughts are nothing but lies and pie-in-sky "fantasy" rhetoric?

I don't think you should vote for Donald Trump, but you sure as hell shouldn't vote for Clinton. Trump had CEOs for all of his failed businesses. So if we are going to hold him responsible for those, then we have to hold Clinton responsible for the debacles in Syria and Libya, the meteoric rise of ISIS in the past few years, the relatively unfettered nuclear programs in North Korea and Iran, and a host of other failed policies and initiatives around the world under her Secretary-ship.

What is her plan for the economy?

All I have heard is that she is going to invest in renewable energy and that will bring great paying jobs to America. Really? Like Solyndra? How long before those companies realize that they can automate those processes and move their operations overseas for a fraction of the labor cost?

What is she going to do about immigration?

From her website:

Enact comprehensive immigration reform to create a pathway to citizenship, keep families together, and enable millions of workers to come out of the shadows.

A pathway to citizenship already exists. All this is really saying is that she will find a way to reward those who broke the law by allowing them to bypass that pathway. That will really discourage MORE illegal immigration, won't it?

You need to face some facts: your party is every bit as morally bankrupt and dysfunctional as the Republican party. They nominated arguably the worst possible choice, and so did the Democrats. What really needs to happen is just the opposite of what you have been saying you will do. Don't vote for the lesser of two evils. Don't vote for evil at all. If millions of both Democrats AND Republicans would write in Kermit the Frog, then maybe something might start to change. But if you vote for Hillary simply to vote against Trump? Well, then you are sending the message to your party that people like her are a good choice for their nominee. So why would they ever change?

 

[connor_in]

What is her plan for the economy?

All I have heard is that she is going to invest in renewable energy and that will bring great paying jobs to America. Really? Like Solyndra? How long before those companies realize that they can automate those processes and move their operations overseas for a fraction of the labor cost?

Dude, her plan was all over the place a week or two ago. She said she would put Bill in charge of the economy. There you go HRC giving specifics that Trump refuses to give.

PS: And it is not sexist at all that she doesn't think a woman is up to the task of fixing the economy. Plus the economy doesn't really need fixing as we are currently better off than we have ever been before by any metric as we are in Recovery Summer (tm) #7 and we are coming out of 8 years of Obamanomics.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Protesters? Is that what you crazy kids are calling them these days.

 

[wizards8507]

Violence Breaks Out at Trump Rally in San Jose, Protesters Hurl Eggs, Throw Punches, Intimidate Supporters - ABC News

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Protesters burn a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trump2016?src=hash">#Trump2016</a> Make America Great Again hat after rally <a href="https://t.co/RVvn8dC1SG">pic.twitter.com/RVvn8dC1SG</a></p>— Alex Stone (@astoneabcnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/astoneabcnews/status/738565366331244544">June 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The girl on the right has been spotted at a number of these "protests." She's a paid hack.

Every time I see a Mexican flag at one of these things, I can't help but laugh. If socialism and Mexico are so great, these people are more than welcome to go (back) to that shithole and turn it into their utopia.

 

[IrishLax]

Violence Breaks Out at Trump Rally in San Jose, Protesters Hurl Eggs, Throw Punches, Intimidate Supporters - ABC News

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Protesters burn a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trump2016?src=hash">#Trump2016</a> Make America Great Again hat after rally <a href="https://t.co/RVvn8dC1SG">pic.twitter.com/RVvn8dC1SG</a></p>— Alex Stone (@astoneabcnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/astoneabcnews/status/738565366331244544">June 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The girl on the right has been spotted at a number of these "protests." She's a paid hack.

Every time I see a Mexican flag at one of these things, I can't help but laugh. If socialism and Mexico are so great, these people are more than welcome to go (back) to that shithole and turn it into their utopia.

Or Venezuela, or Argentina, or Russia, or...

The socialist models of SOME European countries have a lot of merit. However, France, Greece, Spain, etc. also show it can fail if implemented poorly. Those that do it right tend to have decentralized taxes though that do a good job of keeping the heavy tax revenue where it is coming from and as efficiently used as government can (which isn't very efficient, but meh). I don't think socialism in this country works without giving power back to the states... which will never happen, so I'm generally very opposed to the idea.

Also: these criminals (sorry... "protesters") who assaulted innocent people for not agreeing with them are bigots, and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I had no idea how bad the violence got until I read some of the news stories this morning.

Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally

 

[Wild Bill]

These protesters waiving around Mexican flags may as well carry trump to the white house on their shoulders.

 

[connor_in]

Remember in the good old days when it was the Trump supporters at rallies that were the violent ones. Thanks D protesters for making them the reasonable & responsible ones.

Almost makes me think Donald hired them as it seems to be one of the things that seems to be bringing in formerly #NeverTrump people into the fold of his backers.

Personally, I would still prefer Bill & Opus

 

[NorthDakota]

These protesters waiving around Mexican flags may as well carry trump to the white house on their shoulders.

Yep. I hope they keep it up. Makes them look bad. Makes Trump look like a defender of America.

 

[wizards8507]

Or Venezuela, or Argentina, or Russia, or...

The socialist models of SOME European countries have a lot of merit. However, France, Greece, Spain, etc. also show it can fail if implemented poorly. Those that do it right tend to have decentralized taxes though that do a good job of keeping the heavy tax revenue where it is coming from and as efficiently used as government can (which isn't very efficient, but meh). I don't think socialism in this country works without giving power back to the states... which will never happen, so I'm generally very opposed to the idea.

Sure. I'd still be anti-socialism but a socialist California is far less egregious than a socialist United States of America. "Consent of the governed" and that shit. It's easy to leave your city or town if you don't like its policies. The same with your state, to a lesser extent. When the entire country has implemented policies with which you disagree, you have no recourse short of renouncing your citizenship.

Also: these criminals (sorry... "protesters") who assaulted innocent people for not agreeing with them are bigots, and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I had no idea how bad the violence got until I read some of the news stories this morning.

Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally

I'm actually very surprised that the media has been reporting this story fairly this morning. When the Chicago protests turned violent headlines focused on the fact that it was a Trump rally and not the fact that it was the anti-Trump people doing the violence. Maybe this nonsense has finally jumped the shark?

Almost makes me think Donald hired them as it seems to be one of the things that seems to be bringing in formerly #NeverTrump people into the fold of his backers.

It worked on me. I know it's intellectually bankrupt, but I'm on board with Trump as the middle finger to these assholes.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I understand the anger.

I don't understand the violence. Pot meet kettle. The irony is how everyone villainized Trump supporters for getting violent...yet here are the protesters being even more violent. Ridiculous.

 

[wizards8507]

I understand the anger.

I don't understand the violence. Pot meet kettle. The irony is how everyone villainized Trump supporters for getting violent...yet here are the protesters being even more violent. Ridiculous.

I think the part that's really scary is that this violence is organized. When we saw some violent Trump people, for the most part it was hateful individuals going rogue (so-to-speak) and lashing out. These anti-Trump groups are organized and funded by left-wing activist organizations.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think the part that's really scary is that this violence is organized. When we saw some violent Trump people, for the most part it was hateful individuals going rogue (so-to-speak) and lashing out. These anti-Trump groups are organized and funded by left-wing activist organizations.

I can't speak for those funding and organizing these protests, but I think they need to be extremely vocal of how hypocritical and counterproductive violence is in these situations. You'll have bad apples looking for a fight in every bunch. But organizing violent rallies and organizing peaceful rallies that turned violent because of some assholes are two different things. I'm curious which this is.

 

[Rizzophil]

Firefighters Called Terrorists Over Flag | The Daily Caller

 

[wizards8507]

I can't speak for those funding and organizing these protests, but I think they need to be extremely vocal of how hypocritical and counterproductive violence is in these situations. You'll have bad apples looking for a fight in every bunch. But organizing violent rallies and organizing peaceful rallies that turned violent because of some assholes are two different things. I'm curious which this is.

I think it's probably a cross between the two. I don't think the organizers are dumb enough to say "go be violent," but I think they recruit the types of people who would tend towards violence (young and poor). Violence generates media, media generates buzz, buzz recruits bandwagon young people who want to be part of something.

 

[ND NYC]

America did survive 1968, where riots erupted burning in a hundred cities across the country when King was assassinated, where one candidate, Robert Kennedy, who was on the verge of the nomination, was assassinated, where the Dem convention was in lockdown mode due to riots, where the Republican party chose a candidate who did not win the popular vote, when 70% of Americans thought the Vietnam was a mistake but America elected a President who kept us there for another seven years, and where America's divide between law-and-order and real Americans and everyone else first started.

Robert Kennedy delivered the news of King's assassination from a flatbed truck in Indianapolis to a shocked crowd. He had begun the day at Notre Dame and Ball State.



Kennedy finished the day with a prepared address in Cleveland, saying:

RFK's words on that flatbed may be one of the best "off the cuff" (no prompter or preparation-just speaking from the heart) remarks in modern political times.

 

[NDinL.A.]

It worked on me. I know it's intellectually bankrupt, but I'm on board with Trump as the middle finger to these assholes.

Holy crap. I'm disgusted by the violent protesters and I hope they all get put in jail. But the fact that educated people think this way...to vote for Trump because of idiot protesters - wow. It's like me saying I'm voting for Hillary because some racist idiot punched a black dude at a Trump rally and then said he's want to kill him next time (and from first hand reports, the racists were out in full force at these Trump rallies).

Trump is the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime by miles (for me anyway), even worse than the 2nd worst candidate in my lifetime, someone I have loathed for years - it floors me that educated people still support this idiot. This Tuesday's presser alone should have given everyone pause when thinking about this clown as the next POTUS, let alone the hundreds of other things he has done/said.

I completely get the Hillary hate - for the life of me I will never get the Trump support. Blows my mind.

 

[connor_in]

SERIOUSLY!? Violence against Trump supporters gets spun as only MSNBC can – twitchy.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSNBC commentator: “This crowd so far is not extremely violent”. But there have been multiple assaults. Okay then.</p>— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/738574184964460544">June 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm sorry. Exactly what level of violence is acceptable?<br><br>Annnnnnd <a href="https://twitter.com/MSNBC">@msnbc</a> still sucks. <a href="https://t.co/WNTC4Rerip">https://t.co/WNTC4Rerip</a></p>— Paul Revere (@PRPOnline) <a href="https://twitter.com/PRPOnline/status/738585315191853056">June 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[connor_in]

Holy crap. I'm disgusted by the violent protesters and I hope they all get put in jail. But the fact that educated people think this way...to vote for Trump because of idiot protesters - wow. It's like me saying I'm voting for Hillary because some racist idiot punched a black dude at a Trump rally and then said he's want to kill him next time (and from first hand reports, the racists were out in full force at these Trump rallies).

Trump is the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime by miles (for me anyway), even worse than the 2nd worst candidate in my lifetime, someone I have loathed for years - it floors me that educated people still support this idiot. This Tuesday's presser alone should have given everyone pause when thinking about this clown as the next POTUS, let alone the hundreds of other things he has done/said.

I completely get the Hillary hate - for the life of me I will never get the Trump support. Blows my mind.

To be fair, I believe within a week or so after, a black Trump supporter punched out a white Trump protester at another rally.

 

[wizards8507]

Holy crap. I'm disgusted by the violent protesters and I hope they all get put in jail. But the fact that educated people think this way...to vote for Trump because of idiot protesters - wow. It's like me saying I'm voting for Hillary because some racist idiot punched a black dude at a Trump rally and then said he's want to kill him next time (and from first hand reports, the racists were out in full force at these Trump rallies).

Trump is the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime by miles (for me anyway), even worse than the 2nd worst candidate in my lifetime, someone I have loathed for years - it floors me that educated people still support this idiot. This Tuesday's presser alone should have given everyone pause when thinking about this clown as the next POTUS, let alone the hundreds of other things he has done/said.

I completely get the Hillary hate - for the life of me I will never get the Trump support. Blows my mind.

I wouldn't call myself a "Trump supporter." For a while, I was on the fence of the "lesser of two evils" argument. But now I believe that, while Trump will be bad for America, the democrats and their supporters would be far worse. I won't be happy to vote for him, but I will. I'm definitely NOT "fuck yeah, #MakeAmericaGreatAgain!"

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I wouldn't call myself a "Trump supporter." For a while, I was on the fence of the "lesser of two evils" argument. But now I believe that, while Trump will be bad for America, the democrats and their supporters would be far worse. I won't be happy to vote for him, but I will. I'm definitely NOT "fuck yeah, #MakeAmericaGreatAgain!"

Just out of curiosity, can you explain in detail?

I've found common ground with some of Trump's policies. He's just flip-flopped way too much that I don't trust him. He has written policy ideas on his website, but he's contradicted them in many ways when he actually speaks. It's beyond frustrating to not know what you're going to get with him.

*HRC is a liar and flip-flopper too, but with her you at least have a long track record of what she actually stands for (agree or disagree with her policies, you still know what you're gonna get with her).

 

[Ndaccountant]

It's times like these when I wonder if Elon Musk is actually on to something....

 

[Irish YJ]

Just out of curiosity, can you explain in detail?

I've found common ground with some of Trump's policies. He's just flip-flopped way too much that I don't trust him. He has written policy ideas on his website, but he's contradicted them in many ways when he actually speaks. It's beyond frustrating to not know what you're going to get with him.

*HRC is a liar and flip-flopper too, but with her you at least have a long track record of what she actually stands for (agree or disagree with her policies, you still know what you're gonna get with her).

I think for people on the fence, your point is valid (Trump flip flopping). If you don't like what you know you will get from Hilldog, the mystery of Trump is probably more palatable. Both disgust me. I definitely won't vote HRC.

Trying to determine over the next xx months if I 1) don't vote, 2) vote Trump, or 3) vote Gary Johnson which is more or less doing #1, or 4) write in Whiskeyjack

 

[wizards8507]

I think for people on the fence, your point is valid (Trump flip flopping). If you don't like what you know you will get from Hilldog, the mystery of Trump is probably more palatable. Both disgust me. I definitely won't vote HRC.

Trying to determine over the next xx months if I 1) don't vote, 2) vote Trump, or 3) vote Gary Johnson which is more or less doing #1, or 4) write in Whiskeyjack

Gary Johnson is a fraud.

 

[Irish YJ]

Gary Johnson is a fraud.

Perhaps, but
GJ>HRC

Leaning right now to option 4

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It's times like these when I wonder if Elon Musk is actually on to something....

Have you ever watched the IQ videos on YouTube? Mark Dice, Jay Lenno...I'm sure others have them. They just ask people basic questions and (with a lot of editing, I'm sure), show how F'n dumb people are.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Holy crap. I'm disgusted by the violent protesters and I hope they all get put in jail. But the fact that educated people think this way...to vote for Trump because of idiot protesters - wow. It's like me saying I'm voting for Hillary because some racist idiot punched a black dude at a Trump rally and then said he's want to kill him next time (and from first hand reports, the racists were out in full force at these Trump rallies).

Trump is the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime by miles (for me anyway), even worse than the 2nd worst candidate in my lifetime, someone I have loathed for years - it floors me that educated people still support this idiot. This Tuesday's presser alone should have given everyone pause when thinking about this clown as the next POTUS, let alone the hundreds of other things he has done/said.

I completely get the Hillary hate - for the life of me I will never get the Trump support. Blows my mind.

At the Trump rally in SB the protesters were waving Mexican flags. It was clear which country they were loyal to (a country they liked so much that they left it). Maybe Trump supporters are sick of all this?

We all wish that politics could be arranged so that the candidates were ideal fits for *us*- but that is not how electoral politics works. This is not Australia; you don't have to vote. So don't.

 

[Bubbles]