Baylor IS in some deep trouble

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Irish2155 said:
Oh man...probably. It is amazing...as a coach, just don't get fired for losing (that is the key). Who cares how much you cheat, bang your intern assistant or look the other way on rape or any other legal matters.

Just don't get fired for losing. There is always a, oh lets just say Louisville, out there who will hire you again.
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<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1464362274"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4la6gk/kd_cannon_wr_baylor_snapchat_youll_probably_never/?ref=share&ref_source=embed">KD Cannon (WR, Baylor), snapchat, "You'll probably never see me in a Baylor uniform again I'll now for sure tmrrw"</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB">CFB</a></blockquote>
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If part of the recruiting pitch was that you'd have unrestricted "access" to the Baylor women's soccer team and all of a sudden that's not the case anymore, you'd bounce as well. It's completely understandable for the current players and signees if you put yourself in their shoes.
 
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If part of the recruiting pitch was that you'd have unrestricted "access" to the Baylor women's soccer team and all of a sudden that's not the case anymore, you'd bounce as well. It's completely understandable for the current players and signees if you put yourself in their shoes.
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I don't think it's about "access" to the soccer team so much as it is about the coaches. Either way, recruits probably ought to be let out of their LOIs. That's ultimately a university decision, right?
Waiving the sit-out-a-year requirement is an NCAA thing, and program-wide waivers are pretty rare (Penn State and who?). Without any NCAA penalties, I wonder if they'd waive it here. If they don't, for a guy like KD Cannon who'd probably be a solid draft pick next April, you wonder if it's worth sitting out. Probably depends a bit on what happens to the rest of Baylor's coaching staff - and by extension their system.
 
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ACamp1900 said:
Calling it now... Saban retires ~2 years from now... Bama becomes trash again, hires Briles bc, 'fvk it, he wins games....'
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Not in your wildest dreams. Jimbo's already had it made clear to him that after the way he handled Winston, he'll never ever under any circumstances even be considered to replace Saban. Briles couldn't get a job at Bama cleaning bathrooms now or ever. I know you're joking (at least I hope so), but no.
 
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Dan Wetzel's take on the situation. It has to be a joke.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-nc...-latest-depraved-scandal-002053224-ncaaf.html



Can't you have a Criminal, civil, and educational matter as well as punish the program? I just don't understand this argument.
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I am thinking he is addressing those that are arguing that this whole thing should wait until the NCAA addresses it. (Those who want to pass the legal/judicial system entirely.

Like someone said yesterday, "If they wait for the NCAA, it will take seven years and everyone will be gone by then."

Further, I think this guy has a point. I think the Feds should take point. I think it should be criminally prosecuted first; Leavenworth is a really nice place for all of the scumbags involved. And then the victims and their families should have a chance in civil court; let them strip the bones.

I don't think the NCAA is the right venue for punishment for this kind of gross perversion.

And I think it is important to send the message that compared to what has happened in Waco football doesn't matter, a bit.
 
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I don't think it's about "access" to the soccer team so much as it is about the coaches. Either way, recruits probably ought to be let out of their LOIs. That's ultimately a university decision, right?
Waiving the sit-out-a-year requirement is an NCAA thing, and program-wide waivers are pretty rare (Penn State and who?). Without any NCAA penalties, I wonder if they'd waive it here. If they don't, for a guy like KD Cannon who'd probably be a solid draft pick next April, you wonder if it's worth sitting out. Probably depends a bit on what happens to the rest of Baylor's coaching staff - and by extension their system.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will not be Enrolling at Baylor University tomorrow morning... Thank you Baylor Nation for the continuous support!</p>— JP Urquidez (@JP_OT2016) <a href="https://twitter.com/JP_OT2016/status/736962787038007296">May 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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2017 3 star safety, Baylor had 6 commits last week, now they have 2.

And their star qb recruit is tweeting Auburn stuff now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WDE?src=hash">#WDE</a> &#55357;&#56394;&#55356;&#57341;&#55357;&#56631;&#55357;&#56630; <a href="https://t.co/XTunX6KUZb">pic.twitter.com/XTunX6KUZb</a></p>— .. Kellen™ ♛ ♰ ♛ (@TheKellenMond) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheKellenMond/status/736741752204361728">May 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Baylor's 2016 signees who won't enroll

Baylor's 2016 signees who won't enroll

Baylor signed eight four star players on NSD per 247. All eight are from Texas. Baylor had their highest ranked (17th) class in 2016. The following have announced they will not be enrolling next week, are seeking release from their LOI and/or have opened their recruiting. (247 national ranking in parentheses)

Devin Duvernary, 4 star WR (wants out of his commitment) (36)
Patrick Hudson, 4 star OG (will not enroll) (50)
Brandon Bowen, 4 star DE ("may not make it to Waco") (146)
Kemeron Martin, 4 star RB (will not enroll) (243)
J.P. Urquidez, 4 star OL (will not enroll -as posted) (267)
Parrish Cobb, 4 star CB (is being targeted by other schools) (305)


Their two other four star players (per 247) from 2016:
Tren'Davion Dickson, WR was an early enrollee (104)
Bravvion Roy, DT - no word yet (328) (three star per Rivals)

Also, Branton Autry, OG (JUCO - 30th) is a four star per Rivals - early enrollee

TCU is at 85 scholarship players.
Texas is at 81 scholarship players.
A&M ?
Oklahoma ?

Texas is pursuing Hudson and Cobb and may be in the best position to gain some of Baylor's 2016 signees.
 
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Legacy said:
Baylor signed eight four star players on NSD per 247. All eight are from Texas. Baylor had their highest ranked (17th) class in 2016. The following have announced they will not be enrolling next week, are seeking release from their LOI and/or have opened their recruiting. (247 national ranking in parentheses)

Devin Duvernary, 4 star WR (wants out of his commitment) (36)
Patrick Hudson, 4 star OG (will not enroll) (50)
Brandon Bowen, 4 star DE ("may not make it to Waco") (146)
Kemeron Martin, 4 star RB (will not enroll) (243)
J.P. Urquidez, 4 star OL (will not enroll -as posted) (267)
Parrish Cobb, 4 star CB (is being targeted by other schools) (305)


Their two other four star players (per 247) from 2016:
Tren'Davion Dickson, WR was an early enrollee (104)
Bravvion Roy, DT - no word yet (328) (three star per Rivals)

Also, Branton Autry, OG (JUCO - 30th) is a four star per Rivals - early enrollee

TCU is at 85 scholarship players.
Texas is at 81 scholarship players.
A&M ?
Oklahoma ?

Texas is pursuing Hudson and Cobb and may be in the best position to gain some of Baylor's 2016 signees.
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There will be some interesting benefactors from this.

I believe Texas will really benefit somehow.
 
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I believe that Will Fuller was committed to Ped State until TSHTF. When they know there's going to be turmoil/regime changes, sometimes they bail. It happens.
 
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Jim Grobe to replace Art Briles at Baylor on interim basis

Briles was extended through 2023. Contracts generally allow for firing with cause, which Baylor may have considered this is. Down the road, Briles could also be hit by the NCAA with a show cause before he can return to college football. If I were him before Baylor had made their final decision, I would have been negotiating a buyout to cover me in case I could not return, while leaving a lawsuit as a possibility if they did not buyout.
 
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when Briles went the whole coaching staff should have gone too, if he is guilty of something then they are also.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
I am thinking he is addressing those that are arguing that this whole thing should wait until the NCAA addresses it. (Those who want to pass the legal/judicial system entirely.

Like someone said yesterday, "If they wait for the NCAA, it will take seven years and everyone will be gone by then."

Further, I think this guy has a point. I think the Feds should take point. I think it should be criminally prosecuted first; Leavenworth is a really nice place for all of the scumbags involved. And then the victims and their families should have a chance in civil court; let them strip the bones.

I don't think the NCAA is the right venue for punishment for this kind of gross perversion.

And I think it is important to send the message that compared to what has happened in Waco football doesn't matter, a bit.
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I agree with you on all points here, but I still believe the NCAA should "investigate" and punish Baylor on an athletic level while they are going through the legal process. I believe the criminal prosecution and civil cases to be much more important than the NCAA side, but that doesn't mean the possible NCAA sanctions should go away.
 
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Jim Grobe to replace Art Briles at Baylor on interim basis

Briles was extended through 2023. Contracts generally allow for firing with cause, which Baylor may have considered this is. Down the road, Briles could also be hit by the NCAA with a show cause before he can return to college football. If I were him before Baylor had made their final decision, I would have been negotiating a buyout to cover me in case I could not return, while leaving a lawsuit as a possibility if they did not buyout.
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After the murder incident with the basketball team, I would hope they had a clause in there, but even if they did they simply can't drop him like a hot potato. There will be a negotiated settlement. It's cheaper than dragging this out in court for 3-5 years.

IU fired Sampson for just reason, but a buyout was negotiated to avoid a lengthy legal process and to keep dredging up a bad situation and putting in back front and center in the public's minds.

Having a hard time understanding why Starr was kept on as a chancellor instead of being fired.
 
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Irish#1 said:
After the murder incident with the basketball team, I would hope they had a clause in there, but even if they did they simply can't drop him like a hot potato. There will be a negotiated settlement. It's cheaper than dragging this out in court for 3-5 years.

IU fired Sampson for just reason, but a buyout was negotiated to avoid a lengthy legal process and to keep dredging up a bad situation and putting in back front and center in the public's minds.

Having a heard time understanding why Starr was kept on as a chancellor instead of being fired.
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While you may be familiar with this, Irish#1, all football coaches have clauses in their contracts addressing termination for violating performance standards that may include personal conduct, illegal actions, intentional violation of rules, other actions that may cause harm to the school's reputation and cause legal or NCAA consequences or other specifically defined actions. Without any of those actions, which would result in termination for cause, the school has to abide by the contractual agreement.

The law firm, Pepper Hamilton, found that actions "reflect a fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX) and the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013 (VAWA)." and, specifically,
- In addition to broader University failings, Pepper found specific failings within both the football program and Athletics department leadership, including a failure to identify and respond to a pattern of sexual violence by a football player and to a report of dating violence.
- There are significant concerns about the tone and culture within Baylor's football program as it relates to accountability for all forms of student athlete misconduct.
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Their "Personnel Decisions" details (link below) includes:
"Effective immediately, Head Football Coach Art Briles has been suspended indefinitely with intent to terminate according to contractual procedures."
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With the civil lawsuits, the potential for federal and NCAA penalties and the criminal processes against some players, termination of Brlies for cause without any further obligation by the University is very possible.

Time will tell if they reached a settlement agreement. If not, Baylor saved $48 million with Briles' $6 mill per year for another eight years left on the contract.

Sark's suit against USC goes on. Leach sued and lost. Petrino just moved on.

Baylor University Board of Regents Announces Leadership Changes and Extensive Corrective Actions Following Findings of External Investigation

Key Elements of Coaches’ Contracts
 
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